If someone asks God for the gift of faith, and God doesn't give it, where does it leave that person?

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Especially when you consider that faith is regarded by the Church as a “theological virtue” - that is, a virtue that can only originate from God’s graces Himself.

And a slightly different question…what’s the difference between faith and wishful thinking?

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Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
Faith is having certitude that something is True. This is motivated from the Will making the decision to assent to the Validity of something.

CCC 157-158 - Faith is certain. Faith seeks understanding. [Note. I did not want to type out the paragraphs.]

Wishful thinking is hoping that it is true. One does not necessarily have to have faith to wish for something. This is motivated from desire.

I have faith in the law of gravity upon the earth that every time I throw something into the air it will come down [barring if you are some gravational machine or something like that. Man I must be tired lol.]

I wish I could fly.

I believe that God gives the gift of faith to all. From what I read in the CCC and Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, it is sometimes our lack of response or assent to the matters that we are called to have Faith in that leaves us thinking somehow God did not give us the gift of faith.

I also read in the dogma book and CCC that faith can be lost through the sin of unbelief, yet however it can be restored when one confesses.

If you wish I can quote the sources tomorrow when I have had time to type them out. I am a bit tired.

Hope this helps. God bless.

Little One0307
 
Especially when you consider that faith is regarded by the Church as a “theological virtue” - that is, a virtue that can only originate from God’s graces Himself.

And a slightly different question…what’s the difference between faith and wishful thinking?

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
A person grows in faith.If a person asks for faith we can trust that God will give it but God doesn.t give gifts necessarily in the manner which we expect them.As human’s we expect God to act as we think.All virtues come from the graces we recieve from God.People who don’t even profess faith in God have virtues due to the fact that God gives them.Wishful thinking has nothing to do with faith in God.I may wish to win the lottery but I don’t think that because God’s going to honor my faith in Him.Contrary to what some televangelists seem to imply.Its wishful thinking to believe God is going to take care of my $10,000 gambling debt because I sow a seed of $1,000 in some church ministry.
 
Especially when you consider that faith is regarded by the Church as a “theological virtue” - that is, a virtue that can only originate from God’s graces Himself.

Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
How would you know if God did not give that person the gift they asked for? Most likely, if someone did not feel that virtue suddenly became easy they would complain that God did not give them the gift of faith. But if you talk to people who live a faith filled life, or especially if you read the biographies of the great saints, you will learn that they did not find it easy to live a life of faith. In fact, if you peruse this forum you will learn that.

An analogy: It seems pretty obvious that Michael Jordan has more talent for playing basketball than I do (if I try to make a free throw basket I do not always hit the same side of the court as the basket). Who practices more, Michael or me? Michael, by many thousands of hours. If he did not practice, no one would no how talented he is. In fact, if you talk to high level coaches in any sport they can tell you about students that they have had who seemed very talented (they had a gift for the sport) but they did not put in the hard work necessary for that talent (gift) to come to fruition.

If you ask God for faith, He will give it. Then you need to practice. And practice. And practice. When you have practiced very hard, and your spiritual muscles are tired, that is when your real work begins. Just as in a sport, you don’t wave at the practice field as you go by, and think that is enough. You don’t show up at practice, just to watch everybody else. You get out there and sweat. You practice hardest on the details that you do the worst.

I have often warned my friends, especially mothers of young children, NOT to pray for patience, because God hears and answers this prayer, by giving you lots and lots of opportunities to practice. (That was partly a joke, by the way)
 
I believe that God gives the gift of faith to all.

Little One0307
My apologies folks. Doing research for this showed me that I needed to clarify on this. The theological virtue of faith is indeed a grace, a gift from God and without it it would be impossible to believe in God or the Church.

I did not want to be uhhh advocating a heresy.

Faith can mean many things here and this is where I got a bit unclear.

I believe that if one sincerely asks for faith, God will give it to him. God wills for all men to come to him and be saved. [my loose paraphrase on Scripture]. See passage in James for asking for things and not wavering in our belief. We have to dispose ourselves to receving faith in the first place.

Check out Chapter 6 of This is the Faith by Canon Francis Ripley.

Little One0307
 
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