If the catholic church had never existed...???

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Don’t forget, if there is no Catholic means there is no Jesus, then we might have different Quran too. Quran admit Jesus as a prophet and Mary, as a woman who gave birth to a prophet. Quran would be one book short (the Maryam).
 
swariffin said:
Don’t forget, if there is no Catholic means there is no Jesus, then we might have different Quran too. Quran admit Jesus as a prophet and Mary, as a woman who gave birth to a prophet. Quran would be one book short (the Maryam).
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but this sounds like you are saying that the Catholic Church is responsible for the existence of Jesus?
I’m sure that’s not what you mean. :confused:
Jon
 
JonNC said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this sounds like you are saying that the Catholic Church is responsible for the existence of Jesus?
I’m sure that’s not what you mean. :confused:
Jon
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Definitely not, JonNC. No body has the right to claim Jesus as his/her own. It is the reverse which is correct. Jesus own us, not the other way arround. I was trying to raise the point, that Isa in Quran was basically originated from the writing of Jesus (we called them bible) which was copied and spread throughout the area. Some of the story or even copy have fallen into the people of Arab. Since Muhammad came about 500 years after those writing about Jesus had been circulated, he must have included that story into his Quran. I would imagine the there was no Church since the first century, Quran would be different today.
 
swariffin said:
Definitely not, JonNC. No body has the right to claim Jesus as his/her own. It is the reverse which is correct. Jesus own us, not the other way arround. I was trying to raise the point, that Isa in Quran was basically originated from the writing of Jesus (we called them bible) which was copied and spread throughout the area. Some of the story or even copy have fallen into the people of Arab. Since Muhammad came about 500 years after those writing about Jesus had been circulated, he must have included that story into his Quran. I would imagine the there was no Church since the first century, Quran would be different today.
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Thanks for helping me understand what you were saying. 🙂

Jon
 
If the Catholic Church had never existed, the world would be a very dark place.
 
joe370 said:
Hey Dave, are you suggesting that in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th…9th, 10th centuries, prior to the great east - west schism, there were 2 distinct and separate churches: one called the eastern orthodox church and the other called the catholic church in the west? Or just one CC found universally, in the east, west, south and north?

Let’s assume that the there were 2 distinct and separate churches which means the EOC would still exist even if the CC never existed. However, there would be no PC’s unless there was a protestant reformation that took place in the east, which of course never happened? No catholic church no protestant churches - correct?
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On my way to work this morning, Fr. Benedict Groeschel had a nice presentation of some of the distinctions between these other churches which we’ve been discussing and the Roman Catholic Church. (This was part of his broader meditation on Holy Thursday.) He refers to these ancient churches as “Apostolic Churches” (citing the Armenian, Ethiopic and Syro-Malabar Churches as examples) to distinguish them from the Byzantine church-- and I think his use of “Apostolic Churches” is as useful of a term as any, since the label “orthodox” is so confusing and even misused. Even though this was not the gist of the overall presentation, I thought Fr. Groeschel explained this in a very understandable way for Catholics, so I would commend his talk to you, which is probably available at EWTN.

Just a suggestion.
 
Dave_Noonan said:
On my way to work this morning, Fr. Benedict Groeschel had a nice presentation of some of the distinctions between these other churches which we’ve been discussing and the Roman Catholic Church. (This was part of his broader meditation on Holy Thursday.) He refers to these ancient churches as “Apostolic Churches” (citing the Armenian, Ethiopic and Syro-Malabar Churches as examples) to distinguish them from the Byzantine church-- and I think his use of “Apostolic Churches” is as useful of a term as any, since the label “orthodox” is so confusing and even misused. Even though this was not the gist of the overall presentation, I thought Fr. Groeschel explained this in a very understandable way for Catholics, so I would commend his talk to you, which is probably available at EWTN.

Just a suggestion.
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Thanks Dave. 👍
 
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