Im still confused. I just wanted to know how that would work out.
I’m not sure how it’s theologically worked out. My point was just that it’s not only a theological issue in case of a future reconciliation of Rome and Orthodoxy, but is actually already current as there are eastern churches, who are in communion with Rome while celebrating a calendar including saints from the period of schism.
I think it would be “worked out” by recognizing that both east and west were at fault in the schism, and that holiness and sanctity continued to exist on both sides. I guess I don’t see the problem.
You’re right, it is confusing that, per the link shared, Byzantine Catholics are celebrating St. Gregory Palamas who upheld the Orthodox, not Catholic, Theology.
That is an impossibly high bar. I don’t think that all Orthodox or all Catholics agree 100% on all theological issues.
Agreed - and frankly I think it’s doubtful there will ever be such a reunification this side of Heaven. So perhaps it’s better not to worry too much about it.
Roman Catholics would have to recognise all of the Orthodox saints (IMHO).
Nothing is impossible for God. Who could ever be expected to agree to unite to even a sliver of theological error - which will only lead to confusion & to a new form of disunity? Truth is absolute. It either is or it isn’t. Jesus wasn’t known to compromise with evil, non-Truth. The lukewarm He said He spits out of His mouth. All erroneous theology must be uprooted and rejected. It is a daunting task, but one that can easily be accomplish With God.
Only God knows. But my thought is the bar should be much, much lower. Maybe where is was 1000 years ago. Or maybe we should look at the latitude within churches and extend it among churches.Agreed - and frankly I think it’s doubtful there will ever be such a reunification this side of Heaven. So perhaps it’s better not to worry too much about it.
Ahhhh… but where did error come in? How can you prove that differing ideas or differing expression indicate error? One example: are you still willing to call azymes “errors” and to desecrate azymatic Eucharist? Is that what you think you need to root out?
You may find this interesting, on the Catholic veneration of St. Gregory Palamas through the efforts of Cardinal Slipyj. “The God-bearing cardinal demonstrated the compatibility of Palamite theology with Catholic theology based on his study of the writings of Fr. John Meyendorff and Fr. Georges Florovsky, both Eastern Orthodox scholars.”
Just one example, the most important: God, the Holy Trinity:
Jesus came down from heaven & died on the cross to teach us the Truth so we could walk on the straight & narrow path. He did Not go through all that so that we could mingle Truth with untruth. And that is why He asked the Father to send His Church the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit would guide the Church in all Truth.Just one example, the most important: God, the Holy Trinity:
Jesus came down from heaven & died on the cross to teach us the Truth so we could walk on the straight & narrow path. He did Not go through all that so that we could mingle Truth with untruth. And that is why He asked the Father to send His Church the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit would guide the Church in all Truth.The second to the last citation can be seen as making the case against the filioque as it’s currently laid out in the English translation.
Great example. The filioque was used in the West for some five centuries before the days of Cerularius, with episodes of discussion but with the maintenance of communion. Joint theological commissions of today also join in stating that the filioque should not be a church dividing issue. You may disagree, but what is the value, before God, of that?
I agree that we all will have to go beyond our errors. And among them is the vanity that our theological insights into God are of such perfection and precision that we are called to reject those with other perspectives. And we certainly must reject the error of being too quick, in holding to our own thinking, to misunderstand the thinking of others. It seems that the there is a readiness both in the CC and the ECs to regard the Oriental Orthodox as fellow communicants, rather than excommunicated heretics, notwithstanding the contrary findings of an ecumenical council. Similarly, the meaning of the filioque as used in the CC is consistently misrepresented by armchair EO apologists.
But it doesn’t matter how low the RC sets the bar. It’s the EO who would all have to agree to it.