If the existence of God is needed for things to exist at all

[HelenRose]

There are several issues relate to your post. 1) Logic close our hands when we are arguing (our discussion) or doing something (working on some. Without logic nothing has its own correction. 2) Logic is need to discuss our final destiny after death since we need to be convince about our action.

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God’s love should be unconditional meaning that his love toward us shouldn’t increase or decrease by our action.

Bahman, I read through your entire quotes and would like to address each point but I think I will address the two statements above.

I don’t discount the necessity of logic. It is a wonderful tool and very useful in thinking through problems. The beginning point of logic is to find some common ground where two people can agree or at least define exactly what the disagreement is.

In the first place, we have to recognize the fact that neither one of us has a clue as to what Hell is. We could spend fruitless hours arguing whether or not Hell is a physical place filled with fire. I don’t have that vision of Hell but I could very well be wrong. I don’t know if the descriptions in the Bible concerning Hell are literal or metaphoric.

When you and I try to discuss Hell we are approaching the concept of God from opposite positions. From what I can gather you and I are disagreeing on who is being rejected and who is rejecting. My position is that God loves unconditionally so He is not rejecting His children rather there are some of His children who will reject Him and choose to live outside of His love. The Church teaches that He has given mankind free will to reject or accept His love. It is my belief that each one of us will decide, with full knowledge and understanding, whether or not we will or will not choose God.

 

[jonathan_hili]

…how can there be such a place as Hell, or anyone existing and experiencing conciseness of some sort, if Hell is a place where God ISN’T? If He isn’t there, wouldn’t that theoretically mean that the state of Hell is simply a “state” of not existing anymore? If God needs to be there for something to exist, how can someone exist in Hell?

Thanks in advance

I wouldn’t say that Hell is a place where God isn’t. God is omnipresent. Rather, the “absence of God” relates to the state of someone’s soul in relation to God: they don’t have love of God in themselves. Consequently, God’s presence for them is Hell.