If the Holy Trinity goes beyond human logic, why can't it be true but simply beyond our logic that all religions are true?

[nfinke]

Theres nothing illogical about the concept of the Trinity, its just beyond our comprehension because the three persons involved are infinite omnipotent beings. Theres nothing logically contradictory about a being with three persons just because the average human is only one person.

Plants and dogs are living beings that are 0 persons. Humans are 1 person. so the number of persons can vary. definitely unusual and hard to grasp but nothing strictly illogical about upping the personage to 3, unlike the logical contradiction of one religion definitively saying “Jesus is God” and another saying “Jesus is not God”.

 

[EndTimes]

Apples and Oranges - PiggyBacking Trinity with “All Religions”

IMPORTANT TO NOTE: Understanding the Trinity in the manner that God has clearly presented to us all throughout the New Testament - has never been beyond anyone’s Logic …

 

[Kikupiku]

IMPORTANT TO NOTE: Understanding the Trinity in the manner that God has clearly presented to us all throughout the New Testament - has never been beyond anyone’s Logic

It was beyond the logic of St. Augustine, it is beyond the logic of Muslims who accuse us of polytheism, etc.
I understand that as Catholics we believe in it based on faith. It’s strange to me, however, to deny that the concept of the Trinity is paradoxical. So perhaps I should further the argument saying that the Trinity is not a contradiction, merely a paradox.
This led me to this article. Interesting read.

 

[Dovekin]

The Trinity is is not illogical but inconceivable. Your point is correct though, since the Trinity embraces two irreconcilable truths, that God is one and God is three. If we can accept the mystery of that, why can’t we accept the differences between our faith and that of other religious persons?

The problem is that there are things that are true and things that are false. We have to be able to embrace whatever is true and reject what is false. We do not want an antisemitic religion, for instance. God chose the Jews and we do not want to contradict that truth; if we do, we will have contradictions, not truth.

When we claim the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth, it makes us responsible for appreciating what is true and not rejecting it. We reject “nothing that is true or holy in these religions.” I think that you are right to recognize that sometimes this is a deep mystery that we may never be able to understand.

But we also have to recognize what is false and help non Catholics to live up to the gifts of God, even as we struggle to live up to them as well.

You might appreciate this article by Augustine di Noia.

 

[Nihilo]

Kikupiku:

…by your analogy …just not true…

…this is why I dislike analogies for the Trinity. There’s an inaccuracy in every analogy…

The Catechism doesn’t have analogies. The teachers edition doesn’t use analogies. This is the authorized and authoritative literal expression of the Trinity (and there is no other), and there are zero analogies.

What there are, are propositions. And they are not contradictory. It’s nothing like “you have to take it on faith”, or anything like that—it’s a patent fact that the propositions are logical. Every attempt at a parallel or at an analogy is in some way illogical and contradictory though.

All we need to do is absorb the propositions from the teachers edition, knowing (not “believing”) that they are not in conflict, and we will in time be satisfied and cease thinking that there’s anything untoward in Catholics believing in the Trinity.

All this is imo and fwiw, of course.

 

[SeekSalvation]

The question is, why can one of these things (the Trinity) seem illogical but be true, and the other (multiple true religions) can’t? Or rather, how do I prove that to be the case?

St Thomas Aquinas addressed this very issue by basically (my words) saying don’t over think the Trinity. He said that can get you in trouble. With that said, you need to place your love and faith into the scripture and traditions of the Church. The Church teaches that we believe in the Trinity, the God Head, because we were given Divine Revelations, the Deposit of Faith, through scripture and tradition. Man will never fully know or understand everything about God, the Supernatural, not even in death.

 

[EndTimes]

I understand that as Catholics we believe in it based on faith. It’s strange to me, however, to deny that the concept of the Trinity is paradoxical. So perhaps I should further the argument saying that the Trinity is not a contradiction, merely a paradox.

I don’t see any paradox…

There are Three Persons. The are Divine. As a Togetherness they are sometimes referred to as The Trinity (Threesome United)… They’re presented in Scriptures with some individuality differences to one another … E.G. The Father Sent the Son. The Son did not Send the Father. The Son Sits at the Right Hand of The Father in Heaven. The Father does Not sit at the Right Hand of Son. The Words Jesus’ spoke on Earth … are Jesus Repeating only what He hears from the Father. The Holy Spirit issues Forth From the Father, and then, from the Son… The Holy Spirit is God’s Spirit -

From Jesus prior to His Resurrection … Jesus reveals the Infra-relationships with His Father and The Holy Spirit. In the post Pentecost (when God’s Spirit returned in a strong manner to Peter&Company and onto Followers, the Apostles and those in their Company speak of Each Person in a Familiar manner…

Rather than dwell upon definitions of Divine and Trinity, etc., Since the Trinity IS the Three persons, one garners Knowledge and Understing OF The Trinity by seeking to Know Each Person OF the Trinity - as is evidenced by Jesus, and, Those aformentioned Apostles and those closely connected with them - all of whom are to be found - along with what they reflect of each person - Within Scriptures!

What I’ve said is but an outline… of How to understand better - The Trinity…

Get to know as best as you can: First JESUS… - via the best way - via Scriptures - which are in turn, supported by the Magisterium…

Ignorance of Scriptures is indeed Ignorance of Christ… - Church via St. Jerome.

One cannot reach any Understanding via just an Outline, rather, one must Jump into the NT in a Faith-Filled Prayerful manner

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