I do agree St Peter was chosen as the spokesman for the Apostles and the Prime Minister as King David, its history and scripture. In fact ita why he opens as the speaker at Pentecost [which has been explained here already]. So. St. Peter. or the Chair of Peter. which would be Pope Benedict XVI today has that authority and the final say. Apostolic Succession and a fact of life in history.
Now if I missed something here, please clue me is???
However their is “still” a Primacy which is established by God, just as it was with Mose’s when God told Mose’s to smite the “Rock” . Was the Rock Gods? Of course it was, was the living life “water” which came from the Rock of God? Of course is was. Nevertheless it was Mose’s Faith which enabled the “Cause and Effect” Its no different than with St Peter.
Just as Mose’s was chosen as the Minister so was St Peter.
And the Davidic Kindom of David is throughout Scriprure, there’s no mistake with Isaiah, Matthew .the bloodline of Jesus and the Keys specifically given to St Peter not once but 3X. And with the closing of Acts and opening of Luke…Davidic Kingdom is Bible. Pope Benedict in “Jesus of Nazareth” pt-II also speaks on this.
Now I don’t know that I can agrue effectively which I explained before that the other Apostles couldn’t preach the Word of God. I suppose it comes down to what you suppose these Keys are? Its a not a literal term. Its figurative.
Just as Rock is. However that Primacy has always existed in Rome, and yes those are very real Apostles in the Partiarchs. And it is the “Primacy” in Rome.
The CCC and ECFs self explain…
Christ the “living stone,” thus assures his Church, built upon Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakeable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.
Jesus entrusted a specific authority to Peter: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” The “power of the keys” designates authority to govern the house of God, which is the Church. Jesus, the Good Shepherd, confirmed this mandate after his Resurrection: “Feed my sheep.” The power to “bind and loose” connotes the authority to absolve sins, to pronounce doctrinal judgements, and to make disciplinary decisions in the Church. Jesus entrusted this authority to the Church through the ministry of the apostles and in particular through the ministry of Peter, the only one to whom he specifically entrusted the keys of the kingdom.
I understand all this. But I’m not in agreement that the Patriarchs are walking around without the Word of God or the authority to bind and lose. I believe they need to be in communion with the Chair of Peter since this is where Divine Providence entered and made the covenant. So could it be said the “Keys” St Peters Chair hold is the final say? I suppose that would most correct.
Lets look again…
“Cyprian of Carthage”
"The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17],
and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra],
and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was *,
“BUT A ‘PRIMACY’ IS GIVEN TO ST PETER”, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord.
If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith???
If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church???" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]).
St Jerome
“‘But,’ you [Jovinian] will say, ‘it was on Peter that the Church was founded’ [Matt. 16:18]. Well . . . one among the twelve is chosen to be their head in order to remove any occasion for division” (Against Jovinian 1:26 [A.D. 393]).
And that head, Prime Minister is St Peter or today Pope Benedict. THANK YOU!!!*
Can the Pope bind and loose without the other Bishops? That is my point! YES he can, Can the other Bishops bind and loose without the POPE? No they cannot. Do you see the difference.
There are 2 ways to bind and loose. ONE is to more or less set the rules out for our faith, Explain what we can and cannot do, or what is acceptable and what is not.
THen there is another binding and loosing which is being able to forgvie SIN. All of the Bishops, Priests etc can do that.
If the Pope has no authority over the Bishops why does everything have to be WITH him. If the Bishop has not authority why do our Priests have to follow the chain of command. It is what it is.
No one denys the power that our Bishops have, or the authority they have to do Gods work. They are all equal when they forgive our sin, Baptise us, give us our Confirmation etc.
But as the saying goes we cannot have too many Chiefs and not enough Indians. It has always beem that way. We had Moses, Abraham, There is always a leader. Christ is our leader and he leads the Pope in a Divine way through the Holy Spirit. And the Pope and Bishops lead us. Although all of the Bishops also have the help from the Divine also, they compliment one another not compete. But there are times a Leader is needed and that is when the Pope must step in.
I am not convinced by your argument. 