If the rapture is in the Bible, why don’t us Catholics really believe in it

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Well I was wondering since the rapture is a man made theory, but it’s in the Bible? Why don’t Catholics really believe in that? I just wanna debunk it and see.
 
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When most Christians think of the Rapture today, they imagine the redeemed being snatched up to heaven by Christ as if they have a one-way ticket. But when Paul spoke of being carried off to meet Christ in the clouds, it was not for the purpose of flying away to heaven but to welcome the Lord and return with him in glory. This moment represents the culmination of God’s plan, the great Eschaton , for which all Christians pray when they cry out, “Thy kingdom come.” Our very baptism reminded us of this day: “When the Lord comes, may you go out to meet him with all the saints of the heavenly kingdom.”
 
Couple of points that I’d like to add to what @BT3241 wrote. The rapture, as understood by some Christians today, is a rather recent invention. If I’m not mistaken perhaps in the 1800s. NONE of the early Church Fathers wrote on this. Second, some of the current writing is absurd. They talk about airplanes crashing because both pilots were “raptured”. The rest of the crew and the passengers were killed. A loving God would not allow this to happen.

I would suggest that you get a copy of Paul Thigpen’s book “A Rapture Trap”. It explains it very well. Also, go to the Catholic Answer web site. It should have articles on the rapture.

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It’s like the word ‘incarnation’ and the word ‘trinity’ they aren’t terms in the bible but rather they are terms that describe what is in the bible. Rapture derived from Latin meaning ‘carrying off’ what matters is what the bible says rather this theoligical term

In the bible the righteous (which catholic’s realise as being those in a state of grace) at the of time of Jesus second coming are ‘caught up in the air’ Mat 24:40

It’s the bit of the catholic creed we say at mass about we believe He will come again in glory (to judge the living and the dead).

Most rapture theory outside catholicsm goes into cloud cuckoo land.
 
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SlavesOfJesusandMary said:
Well I was wondering since the rapture is a man made theory, but it’s in the Bible? Why don’t Catholics really believe in that? I just wanna debunk it and see.
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The Rapture, as taught by Protestants these days, isn’t in the Bible. It’s a recent invention based on a misinterpretation of a Scripture passage.
 
The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed, with a single exception: Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a “pre-tribulation” rapture. However Edwards ideas, which he admitted were brand new and never before taught, had no influence in the modern population of the false doctrine. That prize to goes to Darby.

Prior to 1830, no church taught it in their creed, catechism or statement of faith.
More here:
https://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm
 
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I agree that Darby systematized apocalyptic expectations into a coherent pattern of rapture-tribulation-Second Coming. There was a lot of speculation before he did that, with incidents like this one from jusr a few years before Darby’s birth:
They turned up at Closeburn, north of Dumfries, with Elspeth Buchan resplendent in crimson and riding on a white horse. It was there they made their attempt to fly to heaven but before they did Elspeth Buchan, Mother Buchan, persuaded her flock to hand over their trinkets and jewels to her, as she explained this would make it easier for them to rise up.

So the assembled Buchanites waited, expectantly, for the wind to carry them off and away. As well as permanently parting with their possessions they had prepared themselves by shaving their head of all hair except for a single lock which would be used to lift them up and away from the earth; all had cut off their hair except for Elspeth Buchan. They waited and waited. Then the wind blew down their platform.
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Incidents like this happened, and still happen, but Darby’s thought gave them a more solid place among relatively mainstream Christians, instead of just fringe groups.
 
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I think one of the verses used in the rapture stuff is Matthew 24: 40 - 41? It seems though that in that instance being left behind is the better option as it is referencing Noah being saved from the flood.
 
It is not in the Bible. The rapture is a peculiarly American idea that takes a couple verses out of context from Matthew and 1 Thessalonians.
 
Please supply a biblical citation for the trinity. neither mat 28:19 nor John 1:1 will do it.
 
As a Baptist, I was taught and believed there would be a rapture. It wasn’t until a few years ago and becoming Catholic that I saw the error. I always wondered why we talked about Christ’s Second Coming if he was coming at the Rapture and again in the end times. The Rapture teaching talked a lot about us meeting Him in the air/clouds. Also, no one could agree on pre, mid or post tribulation. The Catholic teaching is what I now believe.
 
Amen, a good example,for me, I don’t see any problem with it jedothek though I’m sure like any scripture we can read it and make of it what we will, it’s why we have the catholic church to help us, jehovah witnesses for example have come to my door in the vain hope of converting me they will use their bible to talk against the trinity , but 1) they have a different bible (which has been translated to suit their flawed theology) and 2) they have a different way of interpreting it on many things like the trinity, they are wrong in my opinion because i believe the catholic church has the best bible (all the books it originally decided on) and the ability by the Holy Spirit to interpret certain matters like the holy trinity, the father the son and the Holy Spirit IS the holy trinity which was sorted back into the early church by the likes of St Athanasius a great scripture scholar.

The full teaching and various biblical references are found in our catechism here http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm

Discussion of the trinity warrants a whole thread of its own, but I expect it’s already covered well if you search the forum.
 
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OK then, we agree it was born in the UK but flourished in the Americas, yes?

Peace!
 
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