If the Scripture is inspired then why do the Protestant reject the Deutrocanonical Books?

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This always concerned me so much by Non-Catholic Christians who insist the Bible as the sole rule of faith. Despite that, if they truly believe that the Sacred Book is inspired then why do they reject the Deutrocanonical Books since the Early Christians clearly used these text. Not only did the early Christian used them but the Apostles and Jesus also used them.

Consider these verses from the NT that have citations from the Deutrocanonical Books.

Matt. 2:16 - Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents.

Matt. 6:19-20 - Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 - lay up your treasure.

Matt… 7:12 - Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.

Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation.

Matt. 9:36 - the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.

Matt. 11:25 - Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 - Lord of heaven and earth.

Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.

Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.

Matt. 24:15 - the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.

Matt. 24:16 - let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.

Matt. 27:43 - if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.

Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.

Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.

Luke 1:42 - Elizabeth’s declaration of Mary’s blessedness above all women follows Uzziah’s declaration in Judith 13:18.

Luke 1:52 - Mary’s magnificat addressing the mighty falling from their thrones and replaced by lowly follows Sirach 10:14.

Luke 2:29 - Simeon’s declaration that he is ready to die after seeing the Child Jesus follows Tobit 11:9.

Luke 13:29 - the Lord’s description of men coming from east and west to rejoice in God follows Baruch 4:37.

Luke 21:24 - Jesus’ usage of “fall by the edge of the sword” follows Sirach 28:18.

Luke 24:4 and Acts 1:10 - Luke’s description of the two men in dazzling apparel reminds us of 2 Macc. 3:26.

John 1:3 - all things were made through Him, the Word, follows Wisdom 9:1.

John 3:13 - who has ascended into heaven but He who descended from heaven references Baruch 3:29.

John 4:48; Acts 5:12; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12 - Jesus’, Luke’s and Paul’s usage of “signs and wonders” follows Wisdom 8:8.

John 5:18 - Jesus claiming that God is His Father follows Wisdom 2:16.

John 6:35-59 - Jesus’ Eucharistic discourse is foreshadowed in Sirach 24:21.

John 10:22 - the identification of the feast of the dedication is taken from 1 Macc. 4:59.

John 10:36 – Jesus accepts the inspiration of Maccabees as He analogizes the Hanukkah consecration to His own consecration to the Father in 1 Macc. 4:36.

John 15:6 - branches that don’t bear fruit and are cut down follows Wis. 4:5 where branches are broken off.

Acts 1:15 - Luke’s reference to the 120 may be a reference to 1 Macc. 3:55 - leaders of tens / restoration of the twelve.

Acts 10:34; Rom. 2:11; Gal. 2:6 - Peter’s and Paul’s statement that God shows no partiality references Sirach 35:12.

Acts 17:29 - description of false gods as like gold and silver made by men follows Wisdom 13:10.

Rom 1:18-25 - Paul’s teaching on the knowledge of the Creator and the ignorance and sin of idolatry follows Wis. 13:1-10.

Rom. 1:20 - specifically, God’s existence being evident in nature follows Wis. 13:1.

Rom. 1:23 - the sin of worshipping mortal man, birds, animals and reptiles follows Wis. 11:15; 12:24-27; 13:10; 14:8.

Rom. 1:24-27 - this idolatry results in all kinds of sexual perversion which follows Wis. 14:12,24-27.

Rom. 4:17 - Abraham is a father of many nations follows Sirach 44:19.

Rom. 5:12 - description of death and sin entering into the world is similar to Wisdom 2:24.

Rom. 9:21 - usage of the potter and the clay, making two kinds of vessels follows Wisdom 15:7.

1 Cor. 2:16 - Paul’s question, “who has known the mind of the Lord?” references Wisdom 9:13.

Source: scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html

If Non-Catholic Christians truly professed the Biblical Truth, then they should not reject the Deutrocanonical Books. Our Early Church Father used them and so did Jesus Christ himself.

The Deutrocanonical Books have always been part of the Christian Canon for 2,000 yrs. The Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church affirms these books to be inspired in the fourth Century. I see no reason why Protestant Christians should reject these. Indirectly, Protestants do not profess the full authority of the Bible by rejecting the Deutro books.
 
This is a good example from the web site I put up of one of the so called quotes that Manny is trying to push as direct quotations. Look how the same string of words appear in the OT!

Mat 9:36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.

Judith 11:19: And I will lead thee through the midst of Judea, until thou come before Jerusalem; and I will set thy throne in the midst thereof; and thou shalt drive them as sheep that have no shepherd, and a dog shall not so much as open his mouth at thee: for these things were told me according to my foreknowledge, and they were declared unto me, and I am sent to tell thee.

Num 27:17 Which may go out before them, and which may go in before them, and which may lead them out, and which may bring them in; that the congregation of the LORD be not as sheep which have no shepherd.

1Ki 22:17 And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.

2Ch 18:16 Then he said, I did see all Israel scattered upon the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master; let them return [therefore] every man to his house in peace.
 
Rightlydivide said:
This old discredited list again? A pathetic apologetic attempt to find any string of words in the Deuterocanonical books that matches words in the NT EVEN WHEN THE SAME WORDS APPEAR IN EARLIER OT BOOKS. Shame shame.
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2/3 of the NT have its sources from the Deutrocanonical Books and it does not answer the question to this thread. It is clear that the Early Christians used the Deutrocanonical Books.
 
Consider these quotes of the Early Christians concerning the Books of the Deutrocanonical Books:

“What, then, again says the prophet? ‘The assembly of the wicked surrounded me; they encompassed me as bees do a honeycomb,’[Ps. 22:17,118:12] and ‘upon my garment they cast lots’[Ps. 22:19]. Since, therefore, He was about to be manifested and to suffer in the flesh, His suffering was foreshown. For the prophet speaks against Israel, ‘Woe to their soul, because they have counselted an evil counsel against themselves[Isa. 3:9,] saying, Let us bind the just one, because he is displeasing to us’[Wisdom 2:12]. And Moses also says to them, ‘Behold these things, saith the Lord God: Enter into the good land which the Lord sware tto give to Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and inherit ye it, a land flowing with milk and honey’[Ex. 33:1, Lev. 20:24].” Epistle of Barnabas, 6 (A.D. 74).

“Having then this hope, let our souls be bound to Him who is faithful in His promises, and just in His judgments. He who has commanded us not to lie, shall much more Himself not lie; for nothing is impossible with God, except to lie. Let His faith therefore be stirred up again within us, and let us consider that all things are nigh unto Him. By the word of His might He established all things, and by His word He can overthrow them. ‘Who shall say unto Him, What hast thou done ? Or, who shall resist the power of His strength?’[Wisdom 12:12,ll:22] When and as He pleases He will do all things, and none of the things determined by Him shall pass away? All things are open before Him, and nothing can be hidden from His counsel. ‘The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth His handy-work. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge. And there are no words or speeches of which the voices are not heard.’[Ps. 19:1-3].” Clement of Rome,To the Corinthians, 27:5 (c. A.D. 80).

“‘Be just in your judgement’ [Deut 1:16,17 Prov 31:9] make no distinction between man and man when correcting transgressions. Do not waver in your decision. ‘Do not be one that opens his hands to receive, but shuts them when it comes to giving’ [Sirach 4:31].” Didache, 4:3-5 (A.D. 90).

"Stand fast, therefore, in these things, and follow the example of the Lord, being firm and unchangeable in the faith, loving the brotherhood, and being attached to one another, joined together in the truth, exhibiting the meekness of the Lord in your intercourse with one another, and despising no one. When you can do good, defer it not, because ‘alms delivers from death’[Tobit 4:10,12:9]. Be all of you subject one to another? [1 Pt 5:5] having your conduct blameless among the Gentiles,’ [1 Pt 2:12] that ye may both receive praise for your good works, and the Lord may not be blasphemed through you. But woe to him by whom the name of the Lord is blasphemed! [Isa 52:5] Teach, therefore, sobriety to all, and manifest it also in your own conduct.” Polycarp, To the Phillipians, 10 (A.D. 135).
 
Sirach 16:12
Great as his mercy is his punishment; he judges men, each according to his deeds.
1 Peter 1:17
Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.

1 Macc. 2:52
Was not Abraham found faithful in trial, and it was reputed to him as uprightness?
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

Wisdom 15:7
For truly the potter, laboriously working the soft earth, molds for our service each several article: Both the vessels that serve for clean purposes and their opposites, all alike; As to what shall be the use of each vessel of either class the worker in clay is the judge.
Rom. 9:21
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

Hebrews 11:35
Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.

2 Maccabees 7
It also happened that seven brothers with their mother were arrested and tortured with whips and scourges by the king, to force them to eat pork in violation of God’s law… When he was completely maimed but still breathing, the king ordered them to carry him to the fire and fry him. As a cloud of smoke spread from the pan, the brothers and their mother encouraged one another to die bravely, saying such words as these: “The Lord God is looking on, and he truly has compassion on us, as Moses declared in his canticle, when he protested openly with the words, ‘And he will have pity on his servants…’” Do not be afraid of this executioner, but be worthy of your brothers and accept death, so that in the time of mercy I may receive you again with them." Thus he too died undefiled, putting all his trust in the Lord. The mother was last to die, after her sons.

Sirach 44:19
ABRAHAM, father of many peoples, kept his glory without stain:
Rom. 4:17
As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.”
 
Wisdom 16:13
For you have dominion over life and death; you lead down to the gates of the nether world, and lead back.
Matt. 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Tobit 3:8
For she had been married to seven husbands, but the wicked demon Asmodeus killed them off before they could have intercourse with her, as it is prescribed for wives. So the maid said to her: “You are the one who strangles your husbands! Look at you! You have already been married seven times, but you have had no joy with any one of your husbands. I have given her in marriage to seven men, all of whom were kinsmen of ours, and all died on the very night they approached her. But now, son, eat and drink. I am sure the Lord will look after you both.” Tobiah answered, “I will eat or drink nothing until you set aside what belongs to me.” Raguel said to him: “I will do it. She is yours according to the decree of the Book of Moses. Your marriage to her has been decided in heaven! Take your kinswoman; from now on you are her love, and she is your beloved. She is yours today and ever after. And tonight, son, may the Lord of heaven prosper you both. May he grant you mercy and peace.”

Matt. 22:25
Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27Finally, the woman died. 28Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?"

1 Macc. 1:54
On the fifteenth day of the month Chislev, in the year one hundred and forty-five, the king erected the horrible abomination upon the altar of holocausts, and in the surrounding cities of Judah they built pagan altars. Matt. 24:15
"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[2] spoken of through the prophet Daniel–let the reader understand–keeping before their eyes the lawless outrage perpetrated by the Gentiles against the holy Place and the affliction of the humiliated city, as well as the subversion of their ancestral way of life.

1 Macc. 2:28
Thereupon he fled to the mountains with his sons, leaving behind in the city all their possessions.
Matt. 24:16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Matt. 27:43
He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’ " Wisdom 2:18
For if the just one be the son of God, he will defend him and deliver him from the hand of his foes.

Sirach 40:15
The offshoot of violence will not flourish, for the root of the godless is on sheer rock;
Mark 4:5
Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.

Judith 16:17
in the day of judgment he will punish them: He will send fire and worms into their flesh, and they shall burn and suffer forever."
Mark 9:48
hell, where " ‘their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.’
 
Mannyfit75 said:
2/3 of the NT have its sources from the Deutrocanonical Books and it does not answer the question to this thread. It is clear that the Early Christians used the Deutrocanonical Books.
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2/3 of the NT has its source in the Deuterocanonical books? That is not true. 66% of the New Testament comes from the DC? You make this stuff up Manny?
 
You have taken NT passages AGAIN and ignored the exact same words in the Old Testament. You have simply repeated what you did in the first post. The OT has the same grouping of words or you take completed unrelated passages and say they are the same. You have made up some claim that 2/3 of the NT is in the Deuterocanonical books. There is not a Catholic on this board who would support that statement. I have all along thought you did not understand and simply quote other sites. You must have mangled a quote from another site but simply do not understand it well enough to comprehend that.
 
Thank you Manny for those insights. I never realized so much of the NT came from the Deuterocanonical books. What I can´t understand is how the protestants can reject these books when they tell such a vital part of jewish history. If you read the book of the Maccabees you cannot help being touched by the Holy Spirit. It´s powerful writing! Not suitable for “diet” christians!

I love the so-called deuterocanonicals. My baby daughter is called Judith. It was funny when a protestant friend phoned to congratulate me on her birth. She asked me where I got the name from and I replied, “from the Bible, where else?” 👍
 
santodomingo said:
Thank you Manny for those insights. I never realized so much of the NT came from the Deuterocanonical books. What I can´t understand is how the protestants can reject these books when they tell such a vital part of jewish history. If you read the book of the Maccabees you cannot help being touched by the Holy Spirit. It´s powerful writing! Not suitable for “diet” christians!

I love the so-called deuterocanonicals. My baby daughter is called Judith. It was funny when a protestant friend phoned to congratulate me on her birth. She asked me where I got the name from and I replied, “from the Bible, where else?” 👍
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Do you also think that 66% of the NT comes from the Deuterocanonical books?
YOu do realize the quotes that the Deuterocanonical and NT share do have a common source…the Old Testament!
 
Rightlydivide said:
Do you also think that 66% of the NT comes from the Deuterocanonical books?
YOu do realize the quotes that the Deuterocanonical and NT share do have a common source…the Old Testament!
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It’s all the more reason why Protestant should accept the Deutrocanonical Books as inspired. If the Early Christians consider it as part of the Canon in the fourth century, Protestant should also accept it. However, they reject the Tradition Christian Scriptures and decided to leave them out.

The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church acknowledge all of the Books of the Bible as inspired OT, Deutrocanonical Books, and NT.
 
Rightlydivide said:
2/3 of the NT has its source in the Deuterocanonical books? That is not true. 66% of the New Testament comes from the DC? You make this stuff up Manny?
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I’m not making it up. Actually to be more specific. It’s the Septuagint. The Deutrocanonical Books are not part of the Hebrew Bible. The Deutrocanonical Books literally means “second canon.”

The Early Christian Churches classified them as “canonical text.”

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According to Wikipedia:
The large majority of Old Testament references in the New Testament are taken from the Greek Septuagint—which includes the deuterocanonical books, as well as apocrypha—both of which are called collectively anagignoskomena (things that are read).[citation needed] Several appear to have been written originally in Hebrew, but the original text has long been lost. Archaeological finds in the last century, however, have provided a text of almost two-thirds of the book of Sirach, and fragments of other books have been found as well. The Septuagint was widely accepted and used by Greek-speaking Jews in the first century, even in the region of Roman Judea, and therefore naturally became the text most widely used by early Christians, who were predominantly Greek speaking.
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In the New Testament, Hebrews 11:35 refers to an event that was only explicitly recorded in one of the deuterocanonical books (2 Maccabees 7).
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Other New Testament authors also quote period literature which was familiar to the audience but that was neither included in the Old Testament or the deuterocanonical books. For instance, Paul cites Greek writers and philosophers, and the author of Hebrews references oral tradition which spoke of an Old Testament prophet who was sawn in half in Hebrews 11:37, two verses after the 2nd Maccabees reference.
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Josephus (a Jewish historian) speaks of the books as being 22 in number,[6] a Jewish tradition reported also by Athanasius. However, included in his list of 22 Old Testament books are Baruch and the Letter of Jeremiah. At the same time, he mentioned that certain other books, including five deuterocanonical books but also the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas, while not being part of the canon, “were appointed by the Fathers to be read”. He excluded what he called “apocryphal writings” entirely.
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Manny,

Surely you can admit that all those “convergences” are of type and sense rather than direct quotations and in each case they represent basic biblical ideas or common messianic idiomata.

I don’t have time to go through all of them though I did at one time and what I came up with was that they were not so much direct references as repetitions of form.

Having said that, there can be no doubt that the early church used the LXX; it was ready to hand requiring no new translation of the OT. But there is a reason why your greatest Biblical scholar and translator Jerome rejected the Deuteros as non-canonical and did not translate them (they were later intercalated from existing old Latin texts).

The reason is simple, the books are late, entirely composed in Greek and clearly apocryphal. The Palestinian Rabbinate, even if some part of their intent was anti-christian, arrived at the correct conclusion when they rejected them.
 
You said
2/3 of the NT have its sources from the Deutrocanonical Books
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I said
You must have mangled a quote from another site but simply do not understand it well enough to comprehend that.
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You said
Actually to be more specific. It’s the Septuagint
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So I was right. You did mangle a quote because you do not comprehend what you quote. I really do not have to say anymore because people can read it. A discussion with a person who randomly quotes other sites they do not quite get…I will pass.
 
No one questioned the Deuterocanonical texts until Luther cam along, who, admittedly, had a knack for making up doctrine.
 
RightlyDivide, Manny is correct. As soon as you realize this the better off you’ll be as Christian. 👍

**Thanks Manny for that info. **
 
Because they’re really stupid and don’t want to be Christian anymore.

Peace,

Gail
 
Rightlydivide said:
2/3 of the NT has its source in the Deuterocanonical books? That is not true. 66% of the New Testament comes from the DC? You make this stuff up Manny?
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I think what he meant to say is Septuagint. 2/3 of the NT is from the Septuagint, which includes the Deuteros. Jesus and the Apostles used the Septuagint, that is why this one was chosen by the Church as the authoritative scripture in the fourth century.
 
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