If We Can Ban Terrorism Campaign, then Why Can't We Ban Porn?

[francisca]

Is it very hard to see that porn promote adulterous behavior that result in many abortion?

Can we use this relation to ban porn?

I find it hard to see why we can’t ban porn despite porn is indecent, and indecency is not covered under freedom of speech.

Do we humans agree that adultery is immoral? Then why we legalize porn that promote adulterous behaviour?

If we can ban terrorism campaign, then why we can’t ban porn?

Which one of these strategy will most likely bring result in the attempt to get porn banned:

We may be successfully to ban porn under indecency law ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under religious freedom ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under abortion law ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under human right law ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under childrens protection/ education law ?
We may be successfully ban porn under privacy law ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under crime against humanity ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under national security ?

 

[Trident_H]

Is it very hard to see that porn promote adulterous behavior that result in many abortion?

Can we use this relation to ban porn?

I find it hard to see why we can’t ban porn despite porn is indecent, and indecency is not covered under freedom of speech.

Do we humans agree that adultery is immoral? Then why we legalize porn that promote adulterous behaviour?

If we can ban terrorism campaign, then why we can’t ban porn?

Which one of these strategy will most likely bring result in the attempt to get porn banned:

We may be successfully to ban porn under indecency law ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under religious freedom ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under abortion law ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under human right law ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under childrens protection/ education law ?
We may be successfully ban porn under privacy law ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under crime against humanity ?
We may be successfully to ban porn under national security ?

K Fran. I hear you here. I get the reason for this. And I mean I’m with you most of the way. But the trouble is not everyone is you or me. The trouble is that all you’ll do by banning porn is to make a big, big market for people to do it illegally. And that means that it’s less likely the participants will be willing. If you know what I mean.

So it would be great. It would be a great idea. If it weren’t such a bad idea. Unfortunately. Sorry Fran.

Peace.

-Trident

 

[francisca]

K Fran. I hear you here. I get the reason for this. And I mean I’m with you most of the way. But the trouble is not everyone is you or me. The trouble is that all you’ll do by banning porn is to make a big, big market for people to do it illegally. And that means that it’s less likely the participants will be willing. If you know what I mean.

So it would be great. It would be a great idea. If it weren’t such a bad idea. Unfortunately. Sorry Fran.

Peace.

-Trident

I do not understand this reasoning, really. To ban porn means will remove porn from our hanphones, google, etc.

So what’s the harm?

 

[Trident_H]

I do not understand this reasoning, really. To ban porn means will remove porn from our hanphones, google, etc.

So what’s the harm?

Oh. I thought you meant to make it a police thing. But yeah. If it’s just us, sure. Ban away.

Sorry Francisca. I just assumed.

 

[francisca]

In my opinion porn is a form of modern day abomination.

It breaks family and it kills fetus (abortion).

So what’s the rush with illegalizing abortion if porn is legal it is like promoting abortion indirectly, right?

 

[francisca]

Oh. I thought you meant to make it a police thing. But yeah. If it’s just us, sure. Ban away.

Sorry Francisca. I just assumed.

To illegalize porn will get porn business illegal. Google, yahoo, etch will have to remove them and those who make porn video will be criminalized too.

I don’t think banning porn means to arrest those who watch it.

Ok lets make it more clear: what I mean is “to illegalize porn business”

 

[Trident_H]

To illegalize porn will get porn business illegal. Google, yahoo, etch will have to remove them and those who make porn video will be criminalized too.

I don’t think banning porn means to arrest those who watch it.

Ok lets make it more clear: what I mean is “to illegalize porn business”

Yeah. But Fran, child porn is already illegal and yet it’s easy to get online. Just a dip into the Darkweb and you’ve got it. I don’t think making regular porn, which probably most of the powerful people in the world watch, illegal is going to help. I think it’ll just make it more expensive. And more lucrative. And more people being forced into it.

I don’t know. Maybe I’m just a pessimist.

Peace Fran.

-Trident

 

[francisca]

Yeah. But Fran, child porn is already illegal and yet it’s easy to get online. Just a dip into the Darkweb and you’ve got it. I don’t think making regular porn, which probably most of the powerful people in the world watch, illegal is going to help. I think it’ll just make it more expensive. And more lucrative. And more people being forced into it.

I don’t know. Maybe I’m just a pessimist.

Peace Fran.

-Trident

Well, child pron is still here because porn business itself is legal. It’s hard to split the hair I guess, the more reason why porn business must be made illegal altogether I guess?

 

[Trident_H]

Well, child pron is still here because porn business itself is legal. It’s hard to split the hair I guess, the more reason why porn business must be made illegal altogether I guess?

I guess. I mean I really don’t know. I don’t know how that business(?) works. I just wish it would go away. For good. But not because it was made illegal. I wish it would go away because there was no longer any market for it. I wish it would wither up and die because people were suddenly too good for that. Too good to waste their souls on that.

Peace Fran.

-Trident

 

[francisca]

I guess. I mean I really don’t know. I don’t know how that business(?) works. I just wish it would go away. For good. But not because it was made illegal. I wish it would go away because there was no longer any market for it. I wish it would wither up and die because people were suddenly too good for that. Too good to waste their souls on that.

Peace Fran.

-Trident

That’s rather impossible that porn will go away by itself.
If you do not want it to be illegal, then you do not want it to go away I suppose.

Nevermind if you do not know, Trident. Thanks for your answers anyway.

 

[francisca]

So go back to the question:

how do we reason this?

I mean, if terrorism campaign being sensored, and those who spread them being criminalized, this means “freedom of speech” has to have some “boundary” for the sake of “society’s own goodness”

So then

I suppose if “national security reason” can remove certain information from “freedom of speech”, then may be we can use the similar reasoning for porn so that it will be removed from “freedom of speech protection” for the sake of “society’s own goodness” so to speak.

And what’s that exactly “society’s own goodness” that can be defined for this reasoning so that Porn will be seen as crossing that “boundary” of “good society”.

 

[Trident_H]

That’s rather impossible that porn will go away by itself.
If you do not want it to be illegal, then you do not want it to go away I suppose.

Nevermind if you do not know, Trident. Thanks for your answers anyway.

Ok. Sorry I couldn’t think of anything to do about it.

 

[pnewton]

Is it very hard to see that porn promote adulterous behavior that result in many abortion?

Can we use this relation to ban porn?

We could, but we won’t. The reason is that we simply do not want to. Yes, we should. Yes, it would be the morally right thing to do. No, most Americans do not want it banned. Our country just allowed for homosexuals to get married. In the past we decided we want no fault divorce. This country is too steeped in sexual immorality to move forward morally. We can’t even slow the slide into more worse sexual immorality.

 

[Johann_du_Toit]

The biggest problem is getting past the 1st Amendment of the US, constitution, which protects freedom of speech. This guarantee has been universally interpreted as absolute, including by conservative jurists like Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. The only exception is the indecency rule, which the supreme court has interpreted to include, inter alia, depictions of sexual violence, child pornography and other activities which I cannot mention by name as this is a Catholic forum (and because I am too disgusted to even acknowledge they exist). Mere nudity and consensual sexual activity is not included in this.

However, in the US the Court has upheld the principle of “community standards” which means certain porn can be prohibited in a specific area (state, county, city, etc) if it violates the standards of said community. Community standards vary widely, what people in West Virginia and Oklahoma find indecent might not be the case in California, for example.

The best bet from a legal standpoint would be to go out and speak to your community, and convince them that said activities are indecent.

 

[Mary_Estelle]

You can’t ban porn anymore than you can ban sin. Somehow, in some way you would have to worm your way into the mind and mindsets of those that you wish to give up porn or terrorism. That would be mind control. It would also counteract free will. I think if you wish to eliminate the dark side of the Id you must do it via education and awareness and of course, the grace of God. Banning anything, no matter how efficasious the intent, will never work.

 

[frangiuliano115]

I’m just here for moral support. I also don’t know the answer.

Although I do understand Francisca’s concerns, and they are legitimate concerns.
What do the boys growing up today think of girls? We have truly become just an object, it’s not a cliche’ anymore.

When I was growing up Donna Reed and Father Knows Best reigned supreme. Playboy was at the very top shelf of the magazine rack where kids couldn’t really see it - unless they tried really hard! : )

By the time my kids were teenagers Playboy was right on the shelf of the magazone/card store (do they still exist??) where the cash register was. I asked once if they could be removed and the answer was that no one complained - but me, I guess.

Then I started hearing the concept of: If you don’t want your kids to see the program, change the channel. Boy, that really works! Just use your intelligence.

So here we are. I Love Lucy couldn’t say the word pregnant and she and Ricky had to sleep in separate beds. We’ve come a long way, baby!

And what about pop-ups? From facebook, for goodness sake!

I agree with pnewton.

Oh my gosh. We’re such prudes!! Besides being a bit dumb!

I’m thankful for the CAF. Oh, and by the way, Pnewton - Replace your cat with my husband…**** : o****

 

[MaryT777]

I guess. I mean I really don’t know. I don’t know how that business(?) works. I just wish it would go away. For good. But not because it was made illegal. I wish it would go away because there was no longer any market for it. I wish it would wither up and die because people were suddenly too good for that. Too good to waste their souls on that.

Peace Fran.

-Trident

Well said, Trident.
Amen.

Mary.

 

[BackHand]

Well, child pron is still here because porn business itself is legal. It’s hard to split the hair I guess, the more reason why porn business must be made illegal altogether I guess?

Umm no? That’s like saying Meth and Heroin “is still here” because pharmaceutical companies are legal. It’s a pure baseless opinion. You’d simply push regular porn into the same places as CP. The evil people who make CP have nothing to do with your run of the mill porn company.

So go back to the question:

how do we reason this?

I mean, if terrorism campaign being sensored, and those who spread them being criminalized, this means “freedom of speech” has to have some “boundary” for the sake of “society’s own goodness”

So then

I suppose if “national security reason” can remove certain information from “freedom of speech”, then may be we can use the similar reasoning for porn so that it will be removed from “freedom of speech protection” for the sake of “society’s own goodness” so to speak.

And what’s that exactly “society’s own goodness” that can be defined for this reasoning so that Porn will be seen as crossing that “boundary” of “good society”.

No need to come up with contrived explanations just embrace your theocracy.

The biggest problem is getting past the 1st Amendment of the US, constitution, which protects freedom of speech.

God bless America.

 

[BackHand]

Wanting religion to coerce the state into forcibly censoring porn is a horrible idea for numerous reasons.
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1. How would you censor Internet porn?**

You could force companies to censor their Domain Name Servers, what DNS do, is take a name of a website, such as Google.com, and pair it with its IP address, so instead of having to type 198.252.206.16, something which is hard remember, you type its a name and DNS will correctly match it to its IP address. If they were censored typing in a porn site would only take you too a error page.

However this is a bad way to implement state censorship. This is because you can still access websites just by using their IP address, also websites can easily change their name, hundreds, if not thousands of slightly different porn site names would have to be blacklisted each day, not only that, people can use what are known as proxies to access blocked data, proxies are essentially computers located in a nation that does not have totalitarian laws, this proxy then sends data, in this case porn, to the user located in the totalitarian state, because the data transfer is encrypted it is impossible to be censored using this method.

This is why freedom loving nations such as China and North Korea, use what is known as deep packet inspection.

What is deep packet inspection? Why is the absence of privacy!*** The destruction of web encryption! ***No nasty SSL to block the government from looking in at all your browsing habits. It is the equivalent of the government opening all your mail. Unfettered access to every detail of your online life available at any moment to the government.

And even then. Even if this hellish 1984 type scenario were to happen in my beloved nation. It still would not stop porn from spreading. As people would just simply transfer existing porn stashes that they have on hard drives via USB. Unless you want to install government spyware on people’s computers. Which I’m going to give everyone here the benefit of the doubt in saying that no one here would want that, right?

2. You would have to destroy the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

I think most people would agree that a good definition for porn whether it’s a video, image or story, is something that exists solely for sexual gratification.

So you ban porn. Great. Now what do you do when people start using regular movies as pornography? Are we going to have to burn all copies of Titanic, because of that one boob scene? Or James Bond movies? Troy? Twilight? Basic instinct? All of these movies are not porn. But could be used as such.

3. What would the punishment be for having porn? **
Would it be a fine? Or maybe 2 years in jail? Perhaps you would like to give a 14-year-old a criminal record thus ruining his or her chances of employment, all because they committed a victimless “sex crime”.
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4. The government has a lousy track record of legislating morality.
Prohibition and the war on drugs is pretty good proof.

5. Why stop at porn?
Lets go full on theocratic and make all premarital sex illegal. After all it would be silly to ban porn but not the real thing right? That’s like banning drug paraphernalia but not drugs themselves.

 

[peter26]

I have to say I am somewhat bemused by the OP’s suggestion that banning porn is a matter of national security.