IF we had a female Pope, what would her title be?

[LilyM]

LilyM:

Without ordination the elected candidate is still validly called “the Roman Pontiff”.
“Roman Pontiff” spells “Pope” for most people.

Am willing to reflect on a respected commentary if you find one that agrees with you.
Until then there’s nothing more to say.

It matters not a fig, brother, which “respected” (by who, I wonder?) commentary you or I choose to cite. There is one alone, ultimately, who has the authority, if anyone does, to make it so - the Pope. His opinion matters above all others, as is shown by the collective theological hand-wringing before and after Humanae Vitae was promulgated.

And the last three Popes have been loud and clear on the issue of women succeeding to the priesthood, and by extension the Papacy. THEY, really, are why there really is nothing more to say. Having said which, I will respectfully bow out.

 

[BlackFriar]

Without ordination the elected candidate is still validly called “the Roman Pontiff”.
“Roman Pontiff” spells “Pope” for most people.
Am willing to reflect on a respected commentary if you find one that agrees with you.
Until then there’s nothing more to say.

So you are unable to source a commentary…so there’s nothing more to say.

 

[rose321]

So - I have produced Magisterial teaching, which is the highest of all authority. Certainly trumps theological speculation. In case you think it doesn’t, JP2 and B16 have both been widely acknowledged as respected theologians also, so even in that regard their views count for much. Produce, on your side, your Popes and Ecumenical Councils who say - in exactly so many words, including the female pronoun - and in authoritative teaching documents - that women can be Bishops and Popes, and then you may have something with more authority behind it than what I have.

Respectfully, Opinion only. Pondering Seems Jesus made that very clear in Matthew 23 did he not? Did Jesus not let them fully know who has the authority only over all and the only one who can save ?

Pondering on. Highest authority I have over me, >> is the Spoken Word of our Heavenly Father and what greatly matters to him it is not about gender is it? He only is the authority over all, our only judge, with His great mercy, my heart, soul and mind, enter in or not right?

John 16:7? Better that I go for my Father will send you the advocate to lead you, teach you, be head over you the Holy Spirit…? Loving Father is the authority over all is he not? Over his people who love him and we are all called to serve him, are we not?

Our Loving Father wants us to > know >what pleases him >what is acceptable into His hands, thus He Spoke, Spoken, right?

Our Loving Father thus > seeks out > The Hearts, Souls and Minds, of his people in all walks in life>> I am Holy thou art to be Holy also.

How can we accomplish such? Our Loving Heavenly Father provides >>>The Way >Let your ears hear what the Holy Spirit says to…
…He gives us instructions like any Loving Father, gives us His > Royal Ten Commandment Laws >that are not gender oriented are they?

His simple way >gives us His >Royal Ten Commandment Laws>>> to be distributed, for all to share in, would this not be true? To give us His instructions to > know >right from wrong, he leaves us not orphans, gifted intellect, simple common sense is needed > to know right from wrong, would this not be true?

His simple repeated teaching from OT> His Royal Laws >The Ten Commandments >that provides > Equality Rights, Freedom and Protection for all>>> do they not? > obey and live by…Teaches how to live among each other, how to render oneself Holy unto the Lord and how to >Worship Me, in knowing what gives me great pleasure and >>>how to > Love your neighbor as you love yourself, would this be true?

Along with His repeated teachings from OT >The Sermon on the Mount asking us to be doers of His Words >How to >Love your Neighbor as you Love yourself, could this be true?.

Never was about gender was it, for He calls all to serve him, his people in all walks in life, did he not? Jesus never accepted what others told him to think did he?

He is our only Authority over all? And it matters not if a man or a woman Pope does it? What is important > I am Holy Thou art to be Holy also, a call out to all.
Peace

 

[AndrewAxland]

Matters not if a man or a woman Pope does it?

I wouldn’t mind at all, and think it is only a matter of time before we have women priests, bishops and a female pope. And it’s going to be a lot sooner than a lot of the posters here seem to think!

 

[dochawk]

So you are unable to source a commentary…so there’s nothing more to say.

When you place your own authority to define what “commentary” you accept and will discuss–expecting others to produce them for your approval–above the direct statements of the last three popes, and dismiss the authority of two millennia of tradition, there is indeed nothing to discuss. At this point, you are simply trolling, and it’s time to lock the thread.

hawk

 

[BlackFriar]

If one cannot supply an expert commentary to uphold an interpretation of an ambiguous/dissonant point of law re the election of the Pope then one’s own view is as weak as anyone elses and the point remains ambiguous.

So without such a source there is nothing further to argue on this point.

 

[acanonlawyer]

Can. 150 An office which entails the full care of souls and for whose fulfillment the exercise of the priestly order is required cannot be conferred validly on one who is not yet a priest.

Dan

 

[Maximilian75]

Have you ever read Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, by chance?

 

[AndrewAxland]

Yes, I have, in response to this thread. The Church will nevertheless eventually come to the conclusion that all this male-only baloney is just that: baloney. They will find an elegant way to make it seem like the Church has always supported the female priesthood and papacy all along. Documents like Ordinatio sacerdotalis will simply fade into oblivion.

 

[Gorgias]

LilyM:

And, for.about the hundredth time, it is impossible for that power ever be transferred to a woman,

Noone disagrees.
The topic is “if we had a female pope”.
As Popes can be elected without ordination it is a logically acceptable question .

In fact Canon laywers even admit a married man could be elected.

In other words, you’ve presented us a logically sound but practically untenable solution. I think that’s called ‘sophistry’, is it not?

 

[Cruciferi]

Never gonna happen. What utter foolishness!

 

[LilyM]

Yes, I have, in response to this thread. The Church will nevertheless eventually come to the conclusion that all this male-only baloney is just that: baloney. They will find an elegant way to make it seem like the Church has always supported the female priesthood and papacy all along. Documents like Ordinatio sacerdotalis will simply fade into oblivion.

Like they have with artificial birth control? Wouldn’t hold your breath.

 

[resolute]

A woman can never become a father therefore, a woman cannot be a priest or a pope. If there were ever a woman pope I would call her The False Prophet.