If we were to go to alien populated worlds could colonization ever be done in a morally responsible way?

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Here’s a speculative moral scenerio:let’s say space travel is feasible and we find Earth like planets and all and we find a planet thats inhabited by “primitive” beings like the Na’vi in Avatar.Even with centuries of hindsight is there any way we could “responsibly” colonize a planet where both our species could peacefully co-exist with both of us being able to feasibly support huge populations like in the billions range (you know,if the planet is similar to Earth’s proportions and all) without resorting to genocide,war,discrimination and all the desolation that comes with them during this process.Or by doing that would it not be colonization technically anymore b/c colonization has such a negative undertone?.

What if the species were “advanced”,accepted us on to their planet but made us undergo a just and reasonable equivalent of an immigrant naturalization process.Could we still pull off transferring like at most a million of us without doing ending up doing something stupid like genocide,war,discrimination to that planet’s inhabiting species in the process?🤷.
 
I would hope that by then we would have learned the mistakes made by the likes of the Europeans colonizing the Americas and not repeat them second time round 🙂
 
Interesting question. 👍

I think as long as an appropriate trade-off and/or friendly relations could be met it would be possible. Populating someone else’s planet probably wouldn’t make them very happy, considering we would be taking up space they could otherwise use, unless we had something or some other planet to share with them that they would consider valuable.

The main thing that would make me hostile in a vice-versa scenario would be having aliens taking over my land or restricting me from areas of my planet that would otherwise be open, particularly if it were due to the difference in species. So if there would be a bi-species population, both species would need to be on very peaceful/friendly terms, and be capable and willing to get along like humans do with each other, or maybe a bit like Poke’mon and people in Poke’mon.
 
If it is a Planet full of the ‘Greys’ then waste 'em. The nerve of those guys!

PS. I am told that gravity may indeed travel faster than light. Ergo space travel may be sooner than we think.
 
What would be our motive in carrying out the colonization?

If that motive for within the consent of the locals, it would be ok.

If it was an Avatar situation, where we have nothing to offer the locals yet they have something we need, there would be no good way to go about it.

ICXC NIKA
 
Personally? I played wayyyyyy too much Dread Lords to worry about it.

Then of course, there is, Hawking’s warning…
 
Vouthon said:
I would hope that by then we would have learned the mistakes made by the likes of the Europeans colonizing the Americas and not repeat them second time round 🙂
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What makes you think the Indian colonization was any better than European colonization. As bad as the Spainards were, at least they weren’t cutting people’s hearts out and “feeding” it to the sun and throwing virgins into fire pits.

I really think the Euros get a bad rap over the whole colonization thing, because we defeated other native empires. The way I look at it the Spainish, French, Portugese, Dutch and English were far more civilized than the natives and the whole land of the Americas was better off with the Europeans.
 
sidetrack said:
Here’s a speculative moral scenerio:let’s say space travel is feasible and we find Earth like planets and all and we find a planet thats inhabited by “primitive” beings like the Na’vi in Avatar.Even with centuries of hindsight is there any way we could “responsibly” colonize a planet where both our species could peacefully co-exist with both of us being able to feasibly support huge populations like in the billions range (you know,if the planet is similar to Earth’s proportions and all) without resorting to genocide,war,discrimination and all the desolation that comes with them during this process.Or by doing that would it not be colonization technically anymore b/c colonization has such a negative undertone?.

What if the species were “advanced”,accepted us on to their planet but made us undergo a just and reasonable equivalent of an immigrant naturalization process.Could we still pull off transferring like at most a million of us without doing ending up doing something stupid like genocide,war,discrimination to that planet’s inhabiting species in the process?🤷.
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Wow. We have zero basis for any speculation about this. Suppose the beings living there are crystalline beings and communicate with chirps and whistles only?

Peace,
Ed
 
2000 years ago when they finally got on top of the whole child exposure thing I wonder if they said “I bet they will in the future welcome all children and that humanity would have learned from these terrible things”. And lo and behold, in America, each year, in this day and age, 1.2 million unborn children are slaughtered.

Some people are greedy, selfish and not interested in the rights of others. If aliens were discovered on a planet that could serve humanity, you can bet there’d be some people who’d do whatever they could to abuse them and take their lands. Especially if they were primitivie. In fact, I reckon we’d see a kind of “alienn sub-class”. They wouldn’t have rights like we would, the anti-aliens would call them “non-persons” and “not human” and that would justify murdering them and taking their stuff.

I don’t hold much hope for humanity being kind to any discovered ailen species -unless the species was equal to advancement as us or even more so. We’d be less likely to try and steal from them if they could nuke us.
 
Humans are fallen: good, but tragically flawed. If humans encounter a civilization LESS powerful than they are, they will conquer it. If they encounter a civilization MORE powerful than they are (and that civilization is also made up of fallen beings), THEY will conquer the humans.

It’s just how sin works and why fallen people need a Savior.

And btw, I think this is the fact that secular armchair historians who sneering judge the church for her ‘complicity’ in colonialism ignore or are ignorant of. There are some realities that nobody can change. You can either waste your life in a Don Quixote fool’s quest or you can expend your efforts to save those you CAN save. This is why Jesuits ran missions in the New World instead of lobbying the King’s court for ‘social justice’ for the natives (not that they did none of that, mind you). This is why Jesuits of that day converted a continent while those of today that focus on material ‘liberation’ achieve nothing and indeed see their own numbers dwindle to a handful.
 
I think this is a great topic. Good job TC.

To answer your question, yes I do. How? That I don’t know. There are many minds greater than mine that could figure it out.
austenbosten said:
What makes you think the Indian colonization was any better than European colonization. As bad as the Spainards were, at least they weren’t cutting people’s hearts out and “feeding” it to the sun and throwing virgins into fire pits.

I really think the Euros get a bad rap over the whole colonization thing, because we defeated other native empires. The way I look at it the Spainish, French, Portugese, Dutch and English were far more civilized than the natives and the whole land of the Americas was better off with the Europeans.
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Amen. Another advent of post-modernity is this demonization of colonialism. Keep in mind that it has only been within the last 50 years or so that mainstream society has literally regretted the entire colonial era. In reality, Christianity was a major, if not the major, factor at least motivating Spanish expansionism. We brought the deprived and godless the One True and Holy Lord Jesus Christ. Many were killed, many who didn’t have to be killed, but many more were saved for all of eternity.

I’ve been lied to all throughout my educational life. They’ve always told me that the natives were not savages, that white man was the savage. The worst I’ve heard it has been in a history class I took last summer at my University. But after hearing all of that, in my maturity I reject it. For he who is without the Lord is a savage indeed.
 
FaithBuild18 said:
I think this is a great topic. Good job TC.

To answer your question, yes I do. How? That I don’t know. There are many minds greater than mine that could figure it out.

Amen. Another advent of post-modernity is this demonization of colonialism. Keep in mind that it has only been within the last 50 years or so that mainstream society has literally regretted the entire colonial era. In reality, Christianity was a major, if not the major, factor at least motivating Spanish expansionism. We brought the deprived and godless the One True and Holy Lord Jesus Christ. Many were killed, many who didn’t have to be killed, but many more were saved for all of eternity.

I’ve been lied to all throughout my educational life. They’ve always told me that the natives were not savages, that white man was the savage. The worst I’ve heard it has been in a history class I took last summer at my University. But after hearing all of that, in my maturity I reject it. For he who is without the Lord is a savage indeed.
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Well let’s not get carried away. The Prime factor for colonization was economics and trade, not Christianity. However that doesn’t change the fact that Catholic missonaries latched on to spread the good news to the Indians.

Also I’m disturbed by what you said in the bold text. Have to be killed? I sure hope you didn’t think it’s proper to kill those who don’t accept Jesus.
 
Nimzovik said:
If it is a Planet full of the ‘Greys’ then waste 'em. The nerve of those guys!

PS. I am told that gravity may indeed travel faster than light. Ergo space travel may be sooner than we think.
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Let the Reptiloids handle the Grays.:onpatrol: Just send in the Army to clean the mess up!
One th about reading ‘space opera’ science fiction, odds are you’ve ran into something like this. Just three little things the TV series Alien Nation (we could sent them to clean up our mess) and Andre Norton’s books The Souix Spaceman (we help the natives) and the Beast Master (NOT the aweful tv series). :ehh::yukonjoe::okpeople:
 
austenbosten said:
Well let’s not get carried away. The Prime factor for colonization was economics and trade, not Christianity. However that doesn’t change the fact that Catholic missonaries latched on to spread the good news to the Indians.

Also I’m disturbed by what you said in the bold text. Have to be killed? I sure hope you didn’t think it’s proper to kill those who don’t accept Jesus.
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…I said many of the people that were killed didn’t have to be killed. They shouldn’t have been killed.

…I think I see now the way you read it, and honestly I laughed because of how terrible it sounds ha.
 
FaithBuild18 said:
…I said many of the people that were killed didn’t have to be killed. They shouldn’t have been killed.

…I think I see now the way you read it, and honestly I laughed because of how terrible it sounds ha.
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:rotfl: good to know, I was worried for a second. 🙂
 
Sort of related to this topic, I recommend “Out of the Silent Planet” by CS Lewis - one of the underlying motivations of one of the antagonists, Weston, is for humanity to expand beyond Earth, as a way of ensuring humanity’s survival, and it’s interesting to read Lewis’s take on this.
 
I hate the Greys. They give the term ‘Illegal Alien’ a whole new meaning. Zorch them all I say. Flying their stupid little Lazar Discs every where while nipping at the Neutronium! Some one could get hurt!:cool: See here: youtube.com/watch?v=c9ZzuoJvnis and here: youtube.com/watch?v=bpROPH9HUuI

I would really like to tell them just exactly what they can* do* with their little probes too!:mad:

Not to mention their little Genetics Program that makes Planned Parenthood look like rookies. Heyyyyyyy… *wait *a minute… What do we really know of the origin of Margaret Sanger?:hmmm:

As for the good Father Balducci’s assertion… well I do not know if **I **can agree with his assertion of the Alien Spacers. see here: ufodigest.com/balducci.html

The MIB were right regards,:onpatrol:
Nim.
 
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