If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[ralphinal]

We are in the same place.

You just keep right on telling us how fractured and “disunified” we are. We’re too busy fellowshipping with one another, worshipping with one another, cooperating with one another on various Gospel and social outreaches, supporting one another’s churches to care.

Actually, I can because God has given me His word so that I can know what is important to Him.

And you don’t think that Roman Catholics are “biased and bigoted” concerning us, right?

Verse?

No, Christ is our authority. You, on the other hand, have made some guy in Rome in a funny hat your authority.

If you think that Protestantism is unified, you must live in a one church town. No, there are deep divisions and some of them are violent.

Please list, based on Jesus’s own words the important articles of faith. We only need Jesus here, as he himself spelled it all out. I want to see how different your list is than mine.

With respect to corporate salvation, we must start by what is NOT in the Bible. It does not say that we must have a personal relationship. Nor does it say that we must accept Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior. Now, we have to start at the beginning. The actions of one man caused sin to enter the world. From there, the covenant between God and man went from one man, to one family, to one tribe, to one nation, to all of the world. Jesus came to save the World, that whoever should beleive in him should not die but have eternal life (Jn 3:16). His death was for all (or many depending on your translation) (see Luke 22:20, Matt 26:28). Again, it was for all who accepted him. Finally, there is the verse about “two or three gathered in his name.” He is with us when we worship together. Yes, we must individually accept him, but it is not a lone walk that we are on. We have others that we must help (Gal 6:2) while not putting our burdons on others (Gal 6:4-4). In John, we see that Jesus prayed that his followers may be one as He and the Father are one. One in faith, one in action, one in purpose. ONE. Paul teaches that the faithful are the Body of Christ, again, corporate.

What did the early Church do before there was a Bible? What did they do before the Canon was fixed? Did Christ write anything himself? DId he say “go and teach” or “go and give the book?” Why woul;d God create a faith that for 1500 years a majority of the earth could not have their own copy of “all they needed?” THe vast majority of the people who have ever lived were illiterate. Did God decide that they were not entitled to have the faith? Did Jesus set it up so that only those who lived after the printing press and in developed nations could be guided?

 

[2ndGen]

If you think that Protestantism is unified, you must live in a one church town. No, there are deep divisions and some of them are violent.

Please list, based on Jesus’s own words the important articles of faith. We only need Jesus here, as he himself spelled it all out. I want to see how different your list is than mine.

With respect to corporate salvation, we must start by what is NOT in the Bible. It does not say that we must have a personal relationship. Nor does it say that we must accept Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior. Now, we have to start at the beginning. The actions of one man caused sin to enter the world. From there, the covenant between God and man went from one man, to one family, to one tribe, to one nation, to all of the world. Jesus came to save the World, that whoever should beleive in him should not die but have eternal life (Jn 3:16). His death was for all (or many depending on your translation) (see Luke 22:20, Matt 26:28). Again, it was for all who accepted him. Finally, there is the verse about “two or three gathered in his name.” He is with us when we worship together. Yes, we must individually accept him, but it is not a lone walk that we are on. We have others that we must help (Gal 6:2) while not putting our burdons on others (Gal 6:4-4). In John, we see that Jesus prayed that his followers may be one as He and the Father are one. One in faith, one in action, one in purpose. ONE. Paul teaches that the faithful are the Body of Christ, again, corporate.

What did the early Church do before there was a Bible? What did they do before the Canon was fixed? Did Christ write anything himself? DId he say “go and teach” or “go and give the book?” Why woul;d God create a faith that for 1500 years a majority of the earth could not have their own copy of “all they needed?” THe vast majority of the people who have ever lived were illiterate. Did God decide that they were not entitled to have the faith? Did Jesus set it up so that only those who lived after the printing press and in developed nations could be guided?

The Pentecostal Church upon it’s inception in the early 1900’s was ostricized, members were spat upon and beaten, their church was bombed and burnt…all by their “fellow” Christians.

Catholics actually helped The Pentecostals out that were being acosted by The Protestants there (I guess because of the common persecutions and attacks that we suffered when we began to this country).

 

[FredSmith]

If you think that Protestantism is unified, you must live in a one church town. No, there are deep divisions and some of them are violent.

No, there are dozens of Protestant and Baptist churches in our area.

Not only do we not have deep divisions and are not violent, we’re unified on the essential doctrines of the faith and regularly cooperate on different Gospel and social outreaches.

Recently, when a friend of mine who is a Calvary Chapel pastor had to miss church, he asked me to preach in his place, even though we’re not of the same denomination.

Likewise, Chuck Betters, who is a nationally known Presbyterian preacher, has preached at our church, even though he is not of our denomination.

A couple of years ago, when a neighboring church was destroyed in a hurricane, the men of our church and the men of other churches of various denominations came together to help rebuild it.

Before we moved to the farm full time, and still lived in Delaware, my next door neighbor to my left was a Nazarene pastor. My neighbor to my right was a non-denominational pastor.

Not only did I treasure their friendship (and still do), the three of us routinely worked together on different projects and arranged for the people of our churches to meet to worship and fellowship together.

A few years ago, when I went to California to preach (in an Evangelical Free church and United Methodist church), families from two other denominations invited me to stay in their homes while I was there.

And, for some odd reason, Roman Catholics believe that these things are “division”.

Please list, based on Jesus’s own words the important articles of faith.

Do you not believe that the entire Bible is the word of God?

We only need Jesus here, as he himself spelled it all out.

Then why did He quote other passages of scripture?

With respect to corporate salvation, we must start by what is NOT in the Bible. It does not say that we must have a personal relationship.

Actually, the Bible tells us over and over that we can know God personally, can interact with Him personally, can respond to Him personally, that He moves on our hearts personally, and calls us to repent and put our faith in Christ, personally.

Again, it was for all who accepted him.

You just said that the Bible doesn’t say anything about “accepting Him”.

Which is it? Do we accept Him or not?

Yes, we must individually accept him

Again, you just said that the Bible doesn’t say anything about accepting Him.

I sure do wish you’d make up your mind.

What did the early Church do before there was a Bible?

They circulated the letters, books and epistles that would be compiled to make the Bible.

DId he say “go and teach” or “go and give the book?”

Read 2 Tim 3:16 and get back to me.

Why woul;d God create a faith that for 1500 years a majority of the earth could not have their own copy of “all they needed?”

For that matter, why would He found a church that discouraged it’s followers from reading His word when it *was *available?

THe vast majority of the people who have ever lived were illiterate. Did God decide that they were not entitled to have the faith? Did Jesus set it up so that only those who lived after the printing press and in developed nations could be guided?

Which is precisely why the Reformers and those Christians who came after them believed so strongly in education for the masses: so that they would be literate and able to read God’s word.

 

[HannahLisa]

Catholics are not discouraged from reading God’s Word. I suppose one could argue that at one point they were, way back when the Bible was first being translated into the common languages. Today, though, the argument is basically unsupportable.

 

[ralphinal]

No, there are dozens of Protestant and Baptist churches in our area.

Not only do we not have deep divisions and are not violent, we’re unified on the essential doctrines of the faith and regularly cooperate on different Gospel and social outreaches.

Recently, when a friend of mine who is a Calvary Chapel pastor had to miss church, he asked me to preach in his place, even though we’re not of the same denomination.

Likewise, Chuck Betters, who is a nationally known Presbyterian preacher, has preached at our church, even though he is not of our denomination.

A couple of years ago, when a neighboring church was destroyed in a hurricane, the men of our church and the men of other churches of various denominations came together to help rebuild it.

Before we moved to the farm full time, and still lived in Delaware, my next door neighbor to my left was a Nazarene pastor. My neighbor to my right was a non-denominational pastor.

Not only did I treasure their friendship (and still do), the three of us routinely worked together on different projects and arranged for the people of our churches to meet to worship and fellowship together.

A few years ago, when I went to California to preach (in an Evangelical Free church and United Methodist church), families from two other denominations invited me to stay in their homes while I was there.

And, for some odd reason, Roman Catholics believe that these things are “division”.

Do you not believe that the entire Bible is the word of God?

Then why did He quote other passages of scripture?

Actually, the Bible tells us over and over that we can know God personally, can interact with Him personally, can respond to Him personally, that He moves on our hearts personally, and calls us to repent and put our faith in Christ, personally.

You just said that the Bible doesn’t say anything about “accepting Him”.

Which is it? Do we accept Him or not?

Again, you just said that the Bible doesn’t say anything about accepting Him.

I sure do wish you’d make up your mind.

They circulated the letters, books and epistles that would be compiled to make the Bible.

Read 2 Tim 3:16 and get back to me.

For that matter, why would He found a church that discouraged it’s followers from reading His word when it *was *available?

Which is precisely why the Reformers and those Christians who came after them believed so strongly in education for the masses: so that they would be literate and able to read God’s word.

So, all Protestan denominations agree on Baptism, the nature of the Trinity, predestination, and the need for the Lord’s Supper, right? Or are these secondary points? I am not discussing forms of worship.

Go ahead and quote any and all scripture about the major doctrine. My point is that we can see what is required using Jesus alone.

Show me where the Bible says that Jesus is our personal Lord, or where we are called for solitary union with him. Christ founded a church. Individuals make up the Church, so we have an individual decision, but we must help each other and work together.

I love 2 Tim 3:16. How do you square it with 1 Tim 3:14?

So, prior to the printing press, people were doomed to follow pagan Rome? That is not what you said, but it is an inference one can make. 1500 years of people sent to hell through no fault of their own.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Thank you for explaining this CalmDownWisWins, i now understand what you are saying,

I still do not understand why Roman Catholics believe they can not “communicate infallibly with God individually?”

God can ONLY speak the truth to us, which is infallibly given, but which is very fallibly heard by us evidenced by the simple fact that when individual people claim that they’ve been given “truths from God” which diametrically oppose one another, SOMEONE is not “receiving infallible truth” while claiming to do so.

God gave the Body of Christ an infallible source of truth. He did not give each individual person an infallible source of truth.

I believe the same Holy Spirit who guides the church also lives in you and also wants to be your personal guide.

That is true. But due to my (rather severe) imperfections I’m not a very good interpreter of what I’m hearing from the Holy Spirit without guidance of those who’s job it has been since Jesus’ time to most thoroughly understand what correct interpretation of info from the Holy Spirit looks like, and how to do it.

Now, if I weren’t an accursed “intellectual” type, and CONSTANTLY getting in my own way, and feel the COMPULSION to dig unecessarily deeply into the specific details of all this “Christian religion stuff” as accumulated over all this time, mostly to see if I can “break” it which my “scientific” bent demands I do of systems that I find valuable (which “breaking” I can’t and am losing all hope of doing which is why actually becoming a Catholic was “forced on me”!),…

…I’d try to be like those REAL saints out there who can be really and truly holy by simply living Jesus’ Two Commandments without obsessing on the minutia.

But, that just isn’t me, so I get to travel this overly complex, but rather satisfying, path.

The one illustration I can think of is in the Fathers love letter.
which contains many of the biblical verses which I believe God is speaking to all of us individually,

turn your speakers on too

bittybitznpieces.com/FathersLoveLetter~.htm

I look forward to your comments

God bless,

truth

That is a beautiful set of quotations. It would seem to be difficult to interpret what they said to be other than from God, but I don’t think it would be impossible to do so.

The fact that it is at all possible that a person could misinterpret such beauty as other than from God, is why I can trust only “the whole Church” to interpret the deposit of faith, whose instrument is the Teaching Office (Authority) of the Church (aka the Magisterium) whose definitive “decider” (decision maker) is the Pope, who, because of what that function (God’s truth-telling) means and which function can’t be thwarted by “the powers of hell”, simply MUST be infallible in declaring God’s truth when it qualifies what it says AS absolute truth.

I’m not saying that we CAN’T infallibly receive info we get from the Holy Spirit, but we can’t infallibly proclaim info we get from the Holy Spirit because only the Body of Christ is authorized to do that.

No one is obliged to believe us, even if we HAVE infallibly received truth from the Holy Spirit, because we have no way to prove to others that what we’ve received is truly true, as only they can prove it to themselves.

The reason the ONLY believable source of true truth, in the realm of faith and morals, is the Magisterium is because ONLY they were authorized by God Himself to do so.

Even if you don’t believe that only they were authorized, it’s much easier to test the singular source of truth which is the Magisterium than the infinite number of sources resulting from every man being his own Pope, which MIGHT prompt one to test out that source “first”.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi c659smith

Oh my goodness, I know what the person meant, when whoever said, “STOP and smell the roses.”

c659smith, I want to apologize to you, when I replied yesterday.
I was in a rush and all I read was your first line, I had no idea what was to follow.

Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful story.
I can not tell you in words how much your story touched my

Praise God and thank you Jesus

I like to state somethings you said which I was blessed by and I like to share my thoughts with you and everyone else.

I believe the following is what Christianity is all about.
Praise God for your wonderful story c659smith

I know when I am filled with the Holy Spirit(Grace) and when I am not. I try to stay in communion with Christ but at times fall.

Don’t we all fall at times? I have never met one person on earth yet who has never fallen

I am a cradle Catholic and as such have fallen away.

Satan is hard at work, I believe that is why Jesus said,

Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep.All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy

 

[qui_est_ce]

So, prior to the printing press, people were doomed to follow pagan Rome? That is not what you said, but it is an inference one can make. 1500 years of people sent to hell through no fault of their own.

Of course they were not doomed. They had the Catholic Church preach the Bible from the pulpit. They copied Bibles by hand - human printing presses - their monastaries. Catholics even PRACTISED what the Bible and Tradition teach. It was only when the Protestant Heresy came around that they needed the printing press, so they could throw out some books, especially James (works) and Maccabees (purgatory and praying for the dead), because they were too Catholic. They even added some words to Paul’s letter to the Romans, “Alone” and to Matthew “for thine is the kingdom…”

Every educated person knows that.

 

[whatisthetruth]

cont…

That to me is what being saved is but I must work at never ever falling like that again

By falling I believe you mean sinning

My sentiments exactly,

give it all to Jesus.

I am a Catholic and will profess, teach, and evangelize.
I will never ever again be embarrassed or shy of showing my love for him as I know how
Peter must have felt when he denied Jesus 3 times

I was so blessed by your testimony.
I would encourage anyone to scroll back and read it.
the end of #436, #438 and #443

What a wonderful story and giving God the Glory
Thank you again c659smith for sharing

Your statement “give it all to Jesus.” reminded me of one of my favorite songs.

Advisory, get the tissues ready

as you listen to,

I Surrender All

When you said,

I will never ever again be embarrassed or shy of showing my love for him as I know how Peter must have felt when he denied Jesus 3 times

I wonder if that is the reason why in John 21 Jesus asked Simon Peter, “do you love me”? three times?

15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John,
**do you truly love me **more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”

16Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John,
do you truly love me?”
He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”

17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John,
do you love me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?”
He said, Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you."

Jesus said, "Feed my sheep.

19 Jesus said…“Follow me!”

And after a brief question by simon Peter,

22Jesus answered,… **You must follow me **

In closing, I thought I share this song with you. It is one of my favorite when I am meditating on Jesus

I believe the words of the following song were deep in
Simon Peter’s heart and are in anyone’s heart whose desire is to follow Jesus.

Enjoy

Draw Me Close To You

May almighty God all

with his amazing grace as c659smith gave a
personal witness to

cont with my reply to c659smith’s other comments…

 

[whatisthetruth]

cont…

Wow that was an amazing story. God is good, all the time

c659smith, I have to believe there is a devine reason for me being here and for me seeing your wonderful testimony.

I like to comment on a few other things you said.

You definitely do not have the belief faith alone with your statement of the 2 thieves on the cross.

Thank you for acknowledging that. However, please do not get me wrong in what I believe… it is faith alone in Jesus Christ which saves.
PERIOD

By faith alone,**no… noO… noOOO way am I saying **being saved is a “one time shot in the arm” saved for eternity deal.

I believe it is in the evidence of works to follow that gives witness to one being saved.

Being saved is a change of life.

As you have said in your testimony,

For I have not been the same since.

and you said that you,

will profess, teach, and evangelize

I love how Paul Washer describes being saved,

Salvation is by faith and faith alone in Jesus Christ.
And faith alone in Jesus Christ is preceeded and followed by repentance.
A turning away from sin

, a
hatred for the things that God hates, and a
love for the things God loves
A growing in holiness and
a desire not to be like…the world…but
to be like Jesus Christ

God is amazing. After posting the comments you made reference to about the thieves, God led me to post #4 in the following thread,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=211890

I replied in post #10

and if you are interested,

I was so moved, I started a thread
Possibly another message at Calvary?

You stated that being saved at this time or this minute there is no challenge with that and Catholic teaching.

Hmm? I am surprised you said that. Based on the responses I have seen or personally received, I was under the impression there is a challenge with my beliefs about salvation.

Interesting!! Unless being saved, means something different to you than to me.

I posed the question about being saved on several threads, and no one has responded as positively as you just did, if of course **we are in agreement **on what salvation means.

post #5 of the following thread was the closest answer I saw to being saved,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=188426&highlight=100%25+sure

In a recent thread I posted,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=206817&page=6

I stated what my belief is about salvation,

When I declare "If I die right now(not tomorrow, not next hour, not next week, or next year, but if I die right now, this second) I will spend eternity in heaven.

I have no clue if I will be able to make the same statement tomorrow. you are right. I may fall out of faith and become an atheist and should I die believing no God, I am toast in hell. But right now I am in heaven should I die. God promised it to me. I know by my faith in Him

,
I believe that every time I just sincerely confessed and repented of my sin to God.

I do not receive His gift of salvation lightly but with fearful respect of the true wrath of God, should I sin at any time in my walk of faith in Him.

However, there was one comment made which touched my heart.

to my statement on that thread, I said

Eternal life, I believe is a most generous gift from God.

the reply was

On this we agree totally!

In closing, I thought I share this song with you. It is one of my favorite when I am meditating on Jesus

Enjoy

Draw Me Close To You

God

truth

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi 2ndGen,

I still do not understand why Protestants think that Roman Catholics believe they can not “communicate infallibly with God individually?”

The reason I said

"I still do not understand why Roman Catholics believe they can not “communicate infallibly with God individually?”

Is because I was responding to what CalmDownWisWins posted to my comment.

CalmDownWisWins

Only an “authority” can be either fallible or infallible.
Your beliefs, which means “what you understand as the items of your faith”, just like ours, can be either correct or incorrect (true or not).
If you set yourself up as “an authority”, then you CAN be either fallible or infallible. You most likely wouldn’t call yourself “infallible”, I would guess.
Since no Catholic is allowed, or for that matter WANTS, to set themselves up as “an authority”, we Catholic people don’t have the opportunity to BE infallible, and are entirely fallible in stating opinions (interpretations) as actual truths.
You probably think that NOTHING but God Himself can be infallible, which is also what Catholics believe, and in much the same way that you believe that (as via the actions of the Holy Spirit), but we insist that God speaks to us infallibly only through the agency of the Church (via the Holy Spirit) while you can communicate infallibly with God individually.

The consequences of those two views of how God accomplishes His will is what we see in the world today.

Ok so my question to 2ndGen and CalmDownWisWins

which is correct according to the teachings of the Roman Catholic church?

one can communicate infallibly with God

or

one can not communicate infallibly with God

because right now since you are both Catholic, you have 2 different beliefs.

CalmDownWisWins

God speaks to us infallibly only through the agency of the Church (via the Holy Spirit)

and most recently, a couple post back

God gave the Body of Christ an infallible source of truth. He did not give each individual person an infallible source of truth.

God is our heavenly Father. Why wouldn’t God give us the absolute truth? I am not trying to be smart butt, I am thorougly

while

you (thats me) can communicate infallibly with God individually.

to that

2ndGen said,

I still do not understand why Protestants think that Roman Catholics believe they **can not **“communicate infallibly with God individually?”

Apparently, it sounds like you can communicate infallibly with God individually 2ndGen, which is a wonderful thing.

Now if only CalmDownWisWins would believe the same, even more wonderful.

looking forward to your response

thanks

truth

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Since no Catholic is allowed, or for that matter WANTS, to set themselves up as “an authority”, we Catholic people don’t have the opportunity to BE infallible, and are entirely fallible in stating opinions (interpretations) as actual truths.
You probably think that NOTHING but God Himself can be infallible, which is also what Catholics believe, and in much the same way that you believe that (as via the actions of the Holy Spirit), but we insist that God speaks to us infallibly only through the agency of the Church (via the Holy Spirit) while you can communicate infallibly with God individually.

The consequences of those two views of how God accomplishes His will is what we see in the world today.

Ok so my question to 2ndGen and CalmDownWisWins

which is correct according to the teachings of the Roman Catholic church?

**one can communicate infallibly with God
or
one can not communicate infallibly with God **

God has nothing to tell us (communicate TO us) but absolutely infallible truth, and we CAN hear His truth as absolutely infallibly true, but we can’t demand that others believe that what we recieved is in fact absolutely true, as we can’t communicate infallible truth to others, unless it corresponds with the infallible truths given to mankind by the Church.

We have nothing “infallibly true” to tell God, as He already knows. This “direction” of communication is never “infallible”.

When someone says that they have received absolutely infallibly true information from God without having it having been delivered (originally) by the Church, I’m under no obligation to believe them because their stated source (being other than via the Magisterium) is not guaranteed to be infallible in matters of faith and morals.

because right now since you are both Catholic, you have 2 different beliefs.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
God gave the Body of Christ an infallible source of truth. He did not give each individual person an infallible source of truth.

God is our heavenly Father. Why wouldn’t God give us the absolute truth? I am not trying to be smart butt, I am thorougly

God only gives us the absolute truth. But we are “mankind” and not atomized individuals, who receives His truth as confirmed truth.

Each person can recognize absolute truth as given by God (and choose to accept or reject it as truth), but the confirmation of that truth AS truth only happens when the singular authorized source of the substance and confirmation of that truth declares it to be truth. That source is the Magisterium, the Teaching Authority of the Church which is the Body of Christ from which all truths come with assurance that they are truth, to mankind.

 

[2ndGen]

So, all Protestan denominations agree on Baptism, the nature of the Trinity, predestination, and the need for the Lord’s Supper, right? Or are these secondary points? I am not discussing forms of worship.

Go ahead and quote any and all scripture about the major doctrine. My point is that we can see what is required using Jesus alone.

Show me where the Bible says that Jesus is our personal Lord, or where we are called for solitary union with him. Christ founded a church. Individuals make up the Church, so we have an individual decision, but we must help each other and work together.

I love 2 Tim 3:16. How do you square it with 1 Tim 3:14?

So, prior to the printing press, people were doomed to follow pagan Rome? That is not what you said, but it is an inference one can make. 1500 years of people sent to hell through no fault of their own.

If they were unified, they’d be “one” church with “one” leader, but pastors aren’t about to give up the church they run.

The only pastors that give up being a pastor are those that convert to Catholicism. They leave their congregations behind. Some may follow them, some don’t. Either way, he humbles himself to his new calling of God.

5 fingers can’t make a fist until they ball up.

 

[2ndGen]

Of course they were not doomed. They had the Catholic Church preach the Bible from the pulpit. They copied Bibles by hand - human printing presses - their monastaries. Catholics even PRACTISED what the Bible and Tradition teach. It was only when the Protestant Heresy came around that they needed the printing press, so they could throw out some books, especially James (works) and Maccabees (purgatory and praying for the dead), because they were too Catholic. They even added some words to Paul’s letter to the Romans, “Alone” and to Matthew “for thine is the kingdom…”

Every educated person knows that.

LOL!

And it was a Catholic that created The Printing Press and that began printing Bibles!

 

[ralphinal]

I hate that he got banned before he could reconcile 2 Tim 3:16 with 1 Tim 3:14. Then again, he had a nasty habit of jumping over things he did not want to deal with.

 

[2ndGen]

Who got banned?!?

:bigyikes:

 

[2ndGen]

FredSmith got banned?

Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!

:crying:

Who am I going to play with now?

:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

Oh well…

Let us hold a memorial for Fred “pastor” Smith;



youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

 

[ralphinal]

FredSmith got banned?

Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!

:crying:

Who am I going to play with now?

:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

Oh well…

Let us hold a memorial for Fred “pastor” Smith;



youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

I prefer to think of it like hell. He did not get banned, he banned himself by his own actions. The mods judged him on it, but he did it to himself.

 

[qui_est_ce]

FredSmith got banned?

Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!

:crying:

Who am I going to play with now?

:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

Oh well…

Let us hold a memorial for Fred “pastor” Smith;



youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

don’t worry, there will be others who will come on and think they are telling us something new. He probably would have gone away anyway after his bronchitis cleared up.