If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[2ndGen]

A tribute to Fred “pastor” Smith.

Eulogy:

There once was a man named Fred.
But now his account, is dead.
He came here to fight,
so we said good night,
And sent his profile off to bed!



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Sola Gonna!



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[2ndGen]

I prefer to think of it like hell. He did not get banned, he banned himself by his own actions. The mods judged him on it, but he did it to himself.

Actually, I got sent to Cyber Purgatory for a few days.

I guess it was their way of telling me to tone it down.

I pleaded my case and was ressurected.

So now, I’m a good boy!

:getholy:

 

[ralphinal]

Actually, I got sent to Cyber Purgatory for a few days.

I guess it was their way of telling me to tone it down.

I pleaded my case and was ressurected.

So now, I’m a good boy!

:getholy:

I’ve seen your work. I am surprised it was only once

 

[2ndGen]

don’t worry, there will be others who will come on and think they are telling us something new.

I hope so.



To have your faith challenged for me is invigorating.
Why?
Because when one can back up what they believe, it strengthens them.

It’s not about the conflict…it’s about how I’m forced to read scriptures, how I’m forced to defend my Church, how I’m forced to defend my beliefs…it makes me wiser.

And that which doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger.

Seriously though…he knew exactly what his intent was when he came here. Read one of his first posts…he “prophesized” his getting banned.

There are many Christians here who “don’t” believe how we believe and that’s great. Some come to challenge themselves. I admire them. I’d go to a Protestant site, but they always ban me and never for what I say, but for what I “ask”.

 

[2ndGen]

I’ve seen your work. I am surprised it was only once

Who? Lil’ ol me?

:angel1:

 

[Pwrlftr]

I hate that he got banned before he could reconcile 2 Tim 3:16 with 1 Tim 3:14. Then again, he had a nasty habit of jumping over things he did not want to deal with.

What was he supposed to reconcile?

 

[ralphinal]

What was he supposed to reconcile?

He used 2 Tim to defend Sola Scriptura. 1 Tim calls the Church the bullwark and Pillar of Truth. Which is the authority? The Church or the Scriptures?

 

[whatisthetruth]

CalmDownWisWins:

CalmDownWisWins:

Hi CalmDownWisWins

Thank you for answering me, I think I understand your beliefs better

When someone says that they have received absolutely infallibly true information from God without having it having been delivered (originally) by the Church, I’m under no obligation to believe them because their stated source (being other than via the Magisterium) is not guaranteed to be infallible in matters of faith and morals

God has nothing to tell us (communicate TO us) but absolutely infallible truth, and we CAN hear His truth as absolutely infallibly true, but we can’t demand that others believe that what we recieved is in fact absolutely true

I can understand this, I would want information straight from the originator and not be demanded to believe 2nd hand info.

as we can’t communicate infallible truth to others, unless it corresponds with the infallible truths given to mankind

Mankind? Do you mean the priests, bishops thru the pope and nobody else?

unless it corresponds with the infallible truths given to mankind by the Church.

by you saying the church gives the truths, then I believe I am getting the picture.

correct me if I am wrong,
Roman Catholic individuals for the most part have entrusted their livelyhood and eternal salvation on the truths of the church given to mankind (which I assume is the priests to the pope) and not on the Bible

is that correct?

If I am correct then,

**is it fair to say that Roman Catholics believe

the church has the authority over the bible

and not

the bible has authority over the church**

We have nothing “infallibly true” to tell God,

Wow, nothing? In prayer to God,

Thank you Lord for your blessings, and the gift of your son Jesus on the Cross, by whose blood forgave us of our sin
in John 10:11 Jesus said "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Thank you Jesus,

Amen

this is not an infalliable true prayer to God???

as He already knows. This “direction” of communication is never “infallible”

That I agree, but to say the first statement I disagree

Ok, I am still wondering as to why 2ndGen would ask,

I still do not understand why Protestants think that Roman Catholics believe they can not "communicate infallibly with God individually

unless 2ndGen meant one way communication too like you did
CalmDownWisWins

have any ideas?

thank you and

God bless

truth

 

[2ndGen]

What was he supposed to reconcile?

Wup!

Look who ran to pick up the baton!

 

[Pwrlftr]

He used 2 Tim to defend Sola Scriptura. 1 Tim calls the Church the bullwark and Pillar of Truth. Which is the authority? The Church or the Scriptures?

Since sola scriptura (at least as defined by the reformers) doesn’t do away with the authority of the church I don’t see a conflict.

The all to common belief here at CAF held by catholic posters is that sola scriptura is synonymous with “me and my bible alone under a tree” which is not what was held to by any of the reformers.

At it’s roots, SS simply states that scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith that we have access to. All the other things such as the councils, pope(s), magesterium, tradition and the rest may be useful, to one degree or the other, but they are not infallible.

 

[Jon_S]

At it’s roots, SS simply states that scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith that we have access to. All the other things such as the councils, pope(s), magesterium, tradition and the rest may be useful, to one degree or the other, but they are not infallible.

What good are the Scriptures then, if there is no infallible guide to interpret them?

Makes Phil 2:2 a little difficult to follow…

 

[2ndGen]

Since sola scriptura (at least as defined by the reformers) doesn’t do away with the authority of the church I don’t see a conflict.

 

[2ndGen]

What good are the Scriptures then, if there is no infallible guide to interpret them?

Makes Phil 2:2 a little difficult to follow…

And what about the Eunach that read the supposedly ifallible guide for the faith and still didn’t know what it meant until The Holy Spirit sent Philip to go to him to reveal The Word to him?

And what about when men add or subtract words from The Bible to mislead others?

Too many variables in placing our faith in an inanimate object…that’s plain idolatry to think that a book is The Word of God when even said book states that The Word of God is not written down, but is written in a man’s heart.

 

[ralphinal]

Since sola scriptura (at least as defined by the reformers) doesn’t do away with the authority of the church I don’t see a conflict.

The all to common belief here at CAF held by catholic posters is that sola scriptura is synonymous with “me and my bible alone under a tree” which is not what was held to by any of the reformers.

At it’s roots, SS simply states that scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith that we have access to. All the other things such as the councils, pope(s), magesterium, tradition and the rest may be useful, to one degree or the other, but they are not infallible.

Actually, I agree with you to an extent. Most Protestants do not beleive in Sola Scriptura as much as Prima Scriptura. We (and they) use the term incorrectly.

He did, however, mean it to be “me and my bible alone under a tree” as he said himself that he had the authority to define what was meant by the scriptures.

If Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith, why is the Church called the pillar and bulwark of Truth? Why did Paul not say Scripture was? He said that Scripture was excellent for teaching, but even then he did not say that it was the only thing to be used.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Seriously though…he knew exactly what his intent was when he came here. Read one of his first posts…he “prophesized” his getting banned.

And Fred, I mean, they say Catholics are intolerant!

Actually, I got sent to Cyber Purgatory for a few days.

So now, I’m a good boy!

:getholy:

And I’ve been strongly warned!

Read one of his first posts.

Most of the juicy posts have been removed. I was reading them when he got banned.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi fbl9

To my comments

When I say I am saved, I am declaring, praise God, should I experience an immediate physical death right now, I am sure my eternal destiny is heaven because I believe in you God and I havesincerely exercised my faith in and belief in Jesus and trust in your word and accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour

Every time I make that commitment to God, He is true to His word and saves me

Please do not get me wrong. Salvation is not a free ticket to heaven and does not give me a clearance to sin as I will and I will be ok. I have too much respect for God for that thaught to cross my mind.

I know what Jesus meant in order to follow Him, I need to carry my “cross”, for me is (being rejected mostly everytime I mention Jesus name to a stranger, financial destitude, not being able to put my daughter through college, not being able to be a sole provider for my family, and the list goes on) as I am sure you have your wn “crosses” to carry.

I believe God when He says that it is by faith and belief in Him that I am saved, I trust Him in His word and every day in which I proclaim His word and repent and confess, I am saved.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:9

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John3:16

fbl9 asked me

hi what is the truth; okay now where can i go to believe what you believe? cause nobody around here teaches the same from what i know of.

and mgrfin wonders why I am not coming back to catholicism.
here is one reason.

fbl9, to answer your question,
“okay now where can i go to believe what you believe”

that is simple, the word of God, the bible, which even c659smith
has a hunger for

For I have not been the same since.
I have patience, Charity, Love, ***never ending thirst for knowledge about the bible ***and my faith.

quoted from c659smith’s wonderful testimony, praise God

fb19, c659smith gave you the following answer which I believe,

I can only say is to search your heart and mind. Go into any Catholic Church when there is not a service going on. Take in the reminders of what it is to be a Christian with the pane glass picures, stop at each of the stations of the cross, Then sit or kneel in a pew and have a conversation with Jesus by clearing your mind except this special conversation and contemplate at what just happened.

Listen as prayer is a two way conversation.

No one can give you faith and understand it you must ask for it and allow the Holy Spirit to work in you and through you.

Surrender !!!

AMEN

fbl9 said
as a catholic i lay my trust in Jesus this way"the soldering wick He will not extingish nor the bent reed shall He break off. my confidence lies in His words"
He will jugde with justice and not unfairly"

I agree fbl9, consider this,

the one thief on the cross who repented and confessed to Jesus was promised paradise by Jesus.

So in his dying moments, I have to believe he had a sense of joy and peace in his heart knowing for sure that when he took his last breath on that cross, he would be in :heaven:

That thief was saved and knew he was saved before he even died.

My question… why are Roman Catholics hesitant to declare openly the salvation they have?

fbl9, consider one more thing.

You go to confession, with no serious sin on your soul.
The priest absolves you and gives you penance.
You are on your knees praying penance.
You say Amen at the end of your last prayer.
At that very moment, as you are getting up off your knees,

Question…Do you have a peace of mind if God were to strike you down with instant death (cardiac arrest) you are 100% sure you will spend eternity in heaven?

Your answer might be another reason for me not being a Catholic?

To that question I just asked you, my answer is just like the thief, if it is your will right now Lord that I take my last breath, I will see you in heaven, Thank you Jesus for the promise you gave me of salvation

God bless,

truth

 

[qui_est_ce]

Why did Paul not say Scripture was? He said that Scripture was excellent for teaching, but even then he did not say that it was the only thing to be used.

Also, none of the New Testament had been written down at the time, so Paul was referring to the Old Testament.

 

[2ndGen]

And Fred, I mean, they say Catholics are intolerant!

And I’ve been strongly warned!

Most of the juicy posts have been removed. I was reading them when he got banned.

He does make for entertaining viewing, you gotta admit though.

Did you enjoy my Eulogy to him?

I think that it was a nice service.

He would’ve liked it.

(sniff, sniff).

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi all.

I was taken back by a comment that was made by a fellow Christian. I do not know the reason Fred got banned, I assume it had something to do with the disrepectful comment made in regards to the Pope of Rome. Fred was totally in the wrong.

I want to let you all know I did not laugh at the comment, I was hurt by it but I am sure not as much as you were. I have nothing but total respect for the Pope, and His position in the Roman Catholic Church.

As a fellow Christian, on behalf of Fred and the statement he made,
“No, Christ is our authority. You, on the other hand …” (referring to the Pope of Rome)

and with the very likely chance of the hurt this statement has caused anyone in this community,

I offer from the bottom of my heart

a very very sincere apology.

It is my hope and prayer that you do not draw any erroneous conclusions that all non-catholics think of the Pope of Rome in the way Fred stated.

When I saw the statement, I am sorry I did not say something right away, it was my intent on doing so.

I am glad to see that the administrator took immediate action.

Thank you

My hope you accept my apology

truth

 

[2ndGen]

Hi all.

I was taken back by a comment that was made by a fellow Christian. I do not know the reason Fred got banned, I assume it had something to do with the disrepectful comment made in regards to the Pope of Rome. Fred was totally in the wrong.

I want to let you all know I did not laugh at the comment, I was hurt by it but I am sure not as much as you were. I have nothing but total respect for the Pope, and His position in the Roman Catholic Church.

As a fellow Christian, on behalf of Fred and the statement he made,
“No, Christ is our authority. You, on the other hand …” (referring to the Pope of Rome)

and with the very likely chance of the hurt this statement has caused anyone in this community,

I offer from the bottom of my heart

a very very sincere apology.

It is my hope and prayer that you do not draw any erroneous conclusions that all non-catholics think of the Pope of Rome in the way Fred stated.

When I saw the statement, I am sorry I did not say something right away, it was my intent on doing so.

I am glad to see that the administrator took immediate action.

Thank you

My hope you accept my apology

truth

There are Protestants (non-Catholic Christians) and there are protestants (anti-Catholic Pseudo-Christians). You are a non-Catholic Christian. Nothing negative there, just a distinction. Fred “pastor” Smith was an anti-Catholic Pseudo-Christian.

I don’t lump you in the same boat as he nor do I with our fellow Christians of differing denominations.

However, on behalf of the Catholics here, thank you for the love you’ve shown.

:hug3: