If you are pro-choice, how do your beliefs come into play with this issue? Or do they?

[HeWillProvide]

I would like to know how pro-choicers defend their decision while still calling themselves Christian. I mean, how do you think God feels about abortion? Just wondering. Thank you.

 

[Biggie]

I would like to know how pro-choicers defend their decision while still calling themselves Christian. I mean, how do you think God feels about abortion? Just wondering. Thank you.

Does Planned Parenthood have a forum? Someone’s gonna have to ask them.

 

[averheyen]

I heard that Gay Anglican bishop guy say that, although abortion is gravely wrong, in the same sense, we can’t tell a woman what to do with her body. He imposed it as kind of a moral double standard, where as both are right.

He also uses the same logic to justify his homosexuality.

Not saying I agree in the least bit, but I guess when you need justification for a belief, necessity is sometimes the mother of invention.

 

[Filius99993]

I heard that Gay Anglican bishop guy say that, although abortion is gravely wrong, in the same sense, we can’t tell a woman what to do with her body. He imposed it as kind of a moral double standard, where as both are right.

He also uses the same logic to justify his homosexuality.

Not saying I agree in the least bit, but I guess when you need justification for a belief, necessity is sometimes the mother of invention.

The problem is, it’s not a necessity. We shouldn’t confuse idealism with morality.

 

[SenorSalsa]

I heard that Gay Anglican bishop guy say that, although abortion is gravely wrong, in the same sense, we can’t tell a woman what to do with her body. He imposed it as kind of a moral double standard, where as both are right.

He also uses the same logic to justify his homosexuality.

Not saying I agree in the least bit, but I guess when you need justification for a belief, necessity is sometimes the mother of invention.

He justified his homosexuality by saying he couldnt tell himself what to do with his body?

in seriousness though, that argument falls apart when you realize that the woman isn’t doing anything to her body, she is taking the life from somebody else’s body.

 

[Filius99993]

He justified his homosexuality by saying he couldnt tell himself what to do with his body?

Maybe he was possessed… of course, Anglicans haven’t the ability to exorcise anyway.

Actually, people in the middle ages thought homosexuality was caused by demons, I believe… or was that schizophrenia?

I don’t usually say this, but LOL.

 

[HeWillProvide]

*QUOTE=averheyen;4067274]I heard that Gay Anglican bishop guy say that, although abortion is gravely wrong, in the same sense, we can’t tell a woman what to do with her body. He imposed it as kind of a moral double standard, where as both are right.

He also uses the same logic to justify his homosexuality.

Not saying I agree in the least bit, but I guess when you need justification for a belief, necessity is sometimes the mother of invention.*

Interesting. Yet prostitution is illegal. Aren’t we telling a woman what not to do with her body here? Hmm.

 

[turtle18]

I heard that Gay Anglican bishop guy say that, although abortion is gravely wrong, in the same sense, we can’t tell a woman what to do with her body.

Exactly what type of moral and spiritual guidance is that? Using that logic, you would never be able to preach to a woman that ANY sin is wrong. If a woman can do anything she wants to with her body, then that in affect includes ALL sin, not just abortion.

 

[sanctamaria17]

I’m pro-life but have a number of friends who are pro-choice and Christian. Here’s the story.

A) They’re new to Christianity and already have certain views about things. They’re still coming to grips with believing Jesus is the Son of God. Politics are the last thing they’re thinking about.

B) They personally fight for pro-life causes but believe politics and religion should be separate.

C) They think it’s between a woman, God, and her doctor.

D) Free will.

They very much believe in Jesus and they honestly don’t like abortion and support every measure to reduce it. But they feel it’s condemnation to tell a woman she’s wrong for doing it and if she has a serious reason (like, she’s going to die if she has a baby), they feel they have no right to judge.

I’m pro-life but I take a different strategy. I believe the hearts and minds of this country should be changed until the laws should be changed and I believe it has to happen in steps. Honestly, I think it’s sad that we claim to be one of the most moral countries yet we have complete unrestricted access to abortion while so many other (First World) countries not only have a lot of restrictions but have measures in play to help families and single moms.

 

[rpp]

The argument about abortion being a person’s choice is hogwash. Saying that pro-lifers are imposing their morality on others is pejorative and misleading.

All laws are based on morality. It is immoral and against Catholic and Christian (And Islamic, etc.) teachings to steal and rob. Is is imposing morality to have a law against theft.

The murder of a child after it is born is also against the moral teachings of every religion. Is it imposing morality to have a law against murdering children?

It is not imposing morality to outlaw abortion. It is simply a response to natural law.

 

[Biggie]

I’m pro-life but I take a different strategy. I believe the hearts and minds of this country should be changed until the laws should be changed and I believe it has to happen in steps. Honestly, I think it’s sad that we claim to be one of the most moral countries yet we have complete unrestricted access to abortion while so many other (First World) countries not only have a lot of restrictions but have measures in play to help families and single moms.

I can’t find any intellectual honesty in the abortion argument and reject it out of hand on that basis. I also can find no intersection between abortion and Christianity, and I am a Christian, therefore I reject it out of hand on that basis. I can find no higher priority than the preservation of innocent life, therefore abortion is my first concern in any public debate. Furthermore, I cannot trust the character of any person who cannot identify the taking of innocent life as gravely wrong, therefore I will not elevate such a person to public office by my vote.

That having been said, I agree with your above captioned statement to this extent: if there were not significant public support, both hard and soft, for abortion on demand, it could not be politically sustained. The change of the abortion state involves skillful and tireless use of politics and persuasion. Everyone need not be convinced, but a stable majority does. Victory cannot be achieved democratically by wishing it or by commanding it to happen.

 

[HeWillProvide]

*QUOTE=sanctamaria17;4073262]I’m pro-life but have a number of friends who are pro-choice and Christian. Here’s the story.

They very much believe in Jesus and they honestly don’t like abortion and support every measure to reduce it. But they feel it’s condemnation to tell a woman she’s wrong for doing it and if she has a serious reason (like, she’s going to die if she has a baby), they feel they have no right to judge.*

But so do they also believe sentencing a murderer to prison is “condemnation” or “judging”? What is the difference between trying and convicting someone of a crime and “condeming” them and “judging” them? Don’t we do this to all of those who break the law? If it’s between the mother and God, shouldn’t all other human behavior be resolved simply between God and the person, without society stepping in?

 

[Dale_M]

I would like to know how pro-choicers defend their decision while still calling themselves Christian. I mean, how do you think God feels about abortion?

I favor allowing abortion up to 20 weeks of development. Until the brain begins functioning, I don’t think it is possible to say we are dealing with a separate human person.

As for what I think God feels about abortion before or after this date, I would have to reference the prohibition against murder. So I can only assume that God would be against abortion after the brain begins to function. I have no reason to think He would be opposed to abortion prior to this landmark.

 

[Biggie]

I favor allowing abortion up to 20 weeks of development. Until the brain begins functioning, I don’t think it is possible to say we are dealing with a separate human person.

As for what I think God feels about abortion before or after this date, I would have to reference the prohibition against murder. So I can only assume that God would be against abortion after the brain begins to function. I have no reason to think He would be opposed to abortion prior to this landmark.

Is it 19 weeks and four, five, six days? 19 weeks 6 days 23 hours and 59 minutes? Or just 20 weeks? Seems to me you have selected an arbitrary point in development to serve as a basis for rationalization. Just curious.

 

[Dale_M]

Biggie, the article I read, some months ago, stated that the first brain wave appears during the 20th week and brain waves become regular during the 22nd week.

 

[redrosetea]

I would like to know how pro-choicers defend their decision while still calling themselves Christian. I mean, how do you think God feels about abortion? Just wondering. Thank you.

God said thou shalt not kill…he didn’t make exceptions…seems pretty straight forward to me

 

[elts1956]

*QUOTE=averheyen;4067274]I heard that Gay Anglican bishop guy say that, although abortion is gravely wrong, in the same sense, we can’t tell a woman what to do with her body. He imposed it as kind of a moral double standard, where as both are right.

He also uses the same logic to justify his homosexuality.

Not saying I agree in the least bit, but I guess when you need justification for a belief, necessity is sometimes the mother of invention.*

Interesting. Yet prostitution is illegal. Aren’t we telling a woman what not to do with her body here? Hmm.

Yeah, we should tell the gentlemen they are responsible for their bodies too. Enough of this "the devil (woman)made me do it’ stuff.

 

[Benadam]

not many pro-choice folk responding. They probably don’t know that it’s because they percieve themselves in relation to their children and others differently than pro-life folk.
It’s the rise of the maternal bond as the wounded and weak marital bond continues to diminish as a structure of human society. The woman’s view of herself in relation to God and what issues from her womb becomes the environment of reality to the offspring. Love if usefull characterizes the bond between persons when the maternal bond structures the human family. The perception of self in relation to God and child are shifted according to the bond that structures family. Genesis gives us an example of this polar shift. Compare the environments these two were born into.
Cain is born into an environment structured by the maternal bond

1Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten****a] a man with the* help* of the LORD.”

Seth is born into an environment structured by the marital bond.

25And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed****g] for me another** offspring** instead of Abel, for Cain
killed him.”

The former will abort her children as will her children abort their children. Not so the latter.

Just a side note: This is why Jesus is born to Our Immaculately Concieved Mother.