If you can't make it to Sunday Mass

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I’m saying that the 10 Commandments take precedence over Canon Law, because the 10 Commandments are the foundation for all law.
 
That is not entirely true either. While our faith is based on the Ten Commandments and the teachings of Christ as passed down to us by the Apostles, Canon Law allows a priest to excuse someone from Sunday worship if he feels that there is just cause WITHOUT it being a sin to miss that worship. This would indicate that the teachings of the Church, even though they are based on the Ten Commandments, take precedence over the Ten Commandments.
 
I refer you to this quote from the section on the Third Commandment from the Catechism of Trent (which is still valid if you read the preface of the latest Catechism):

“With regard to the exposition of this Commandment, the faithful are carefully to be taught how it agrees with, and how it differs from the others, in order that they may understand why we observe and keep holy not Saturday but Sunday.”

catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/TenCommandments-third.shtml

Going to Saturday mass instead of Sunday (unless there is a serious reason) is certainly within the letter of the law, but is it in the spirit of the law?

Laus Deo
 
Have you been following what was said earlier? “Sunday” begins at sundown on Saturday. So attending mass on Saturday evening / late afternoon IS attending Mass on Sunday. I refer you to Can. 1248 which was quoted earlier in this thread.
 
Sir_Knight said:
Have you been following what was said earlier? “Sunday” begins at sundown on Saturday. So attending mass on Saturday evening / late afternoon IS attending Mass on Sunday. I refer you to Can. 1248 which was quoted earlier in this thread.
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Which was written in 1983, long after both of these documents. Before that Sunday meant Sunday.
 
DorianGregorian,

I am sorry to say this, but you are wrong in this instance and you might be leading the OP astray by making him/her feel like they are attending a “lesser” mass when they attend the vigil. Both fulfill the Holy day of obligation.

Also, you mentioned that the ten commandments is more influential than canon law. However, if that were the case you would be advocating the Holy day of obligation to be on Saturday because before Christ was resurrected on a Sunday the Sabbath was Saturday.
 
DorianGregorian said:
Which was written in 1983, long after both of these documents. Before that Sunday meant Sunday.
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Wrong again. Look at the scripture passage which records the death of our Lord. He was crucified on the cross on Friday. They needed to get Him off of the cross and into the tomb before sundown because the Sabbath began at sundown … that is how the Apostles observed the changing of the days – it happened at sundown and NOT at midnight.

The early Church celebrated the “Lord’s Day” on the day that Jesus rose from the dead – on the first day of the week … which we refer to as Sunday but the Lord’s Day began at sundown on Saturday. That’s the way that it was since the founding of the Catholic Church – the “Lord’s Day” begins at sundown on Saturday.

Perhaps the attachment that I have uploaded will help …

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6047&stc=1&d=1245738519

… since the foundings of the Church, the Lord’s Day began at sundown on Saturday.
 
StephenMaria said:
DorianGregorian,

I am sorry to say this, but you are wrong in this instance and you might be leading the OP astray by making him/her feel like they are attending a “lesser” mass when they attend the vigil. Both fulfill the Holy day of obligation.
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+1.

Those who attend vigil Mass on Saturday FULLY fulfill their third commandment obligation in both the spirit AND the letter of the law.
StephenMaria said:
Also, you mentioned that the ten commandments is more influential than canon law. However, if that were the case you would be advocating the Holy day of obligation to be on Saturday because before Christ was resurrected on a Sunday the Sabbath was Saturday.
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+1 again.

As was pointed out earlier … * Matthew 10:20 - “For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.”
  • Matthew 18:18 - “Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
    … the Church has the final authority on these matters because it was given that authority by the Son of God Himself and assured of divine guidance in such matters.
 
DorianGregorian said:
Going to Saturday mass instead of Sunday (unless there is a serious reason) is certainly within the letter of the law, but is it in the spirit of the law?
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So I take it you are also part of the “Spirit of Vatican II” crowd. We have seen what what 40 years of following the “Spirit of ______” nonsense has done to the Church.
DorianGregorian said:
Yet, Canon Law, while important and certainly important, is still man’s law. The Divine Law commands us to keep holy the Lord’s day (Sunday).
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[edited] Canon Law is handed down by the Pope guided by the Holy Spirit and using the Power of the Keys as granted him by Our Lord.

If I am to choose between the Law handed down by Our Lord’s vicar been entrusted with the power of the keys and given a charism of infallability, and and the successors of the apostles (aka the bishops), when it comes to matters of faith OR some random guy on a message board, I am with the Magisterium.
 
PacoG said:
So I take it you are also part of the “Spirit of Vatican II” crowd. We have seen what what 40 years of following the “Spirit of ______” nonsense has done to the Church.

[edited] Canon Law is handed down by the Pope guided by the Holy Spirit and using the Power of the Keys as granted him by Our Lord.

If I am to choose between the Law handed down by Our Lord’s vicar been entrusted with the power of the keys and given a charism of infallability, and and the successors of the apostles (aka the bishops), when it comes to matters of faith OR some random guy on a message board, I am with the Magisterium.
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And I am definitely not the Spirit of Vatican II, not at all, if you’ve read any post I’ve put you would see that.

I have never said it is illicit to go to Saturday mass every week. However historically the Code of Canon Law in 1917 intended that first Vespers be celebrated on the eve of Sunday, Canon 821 S1 was actually clear that a Mass could not begin an hour before dawn or an hour after 12 noon.

In 1953 Pope Pius XII allowed the celebration of Saturday Masses because of a shortage of Priests at the time, and he only granted an indult to miners to allow them to attend Saturday Mass for the Sunday obligation.

Only in 1983 did this practice begin, and as I have said countless times, it is perfectly licit, but it is not in the Spirit of Tradition, which is what the Church is.

Laus Deo
 
Thank you for the history lesson of what happened a hundred years ago. Now, let’s go back even further to what transpired a couple of thousand years ago when the Christians were being persecuted by the Romans. “Sunday” Mass was said in the middle of the night (after sundown on Saturday) in cemeteries. That’s where we get the tradition of having two candles on the altar. Those candles were needed for the celebrate to be able to see what was going on.

As I said earlier, celebrating the Lord’s day during a Saturday vigil Mass has been an acceptable Church practice dating back to the very origins of the Catholic faith.
 
DorianGregorian said:
Sir, you have no right to call me a Protestant, Perhaps you want to say the Rosary with me, or would you rather just see my brown Scapular. Would you like to borrow my copy of the Douay-Rheims to see the protestant messages I read. :rolleyes: Reported.
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PS: Nowhere did I call you a “Protestant”. If I have, please provide the link. Otherwise, please do not accuse me of something that I did not do. Thank you.
 
wow 🙂

I just meant going to the vigil Mass once or twice, if I can’t make it on Sunday (cause I can’t always get a ride.) Not regularly.

thanks for the replies 🙂
 
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