If you converted from Church of Christ to Catholic.....

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What is Holy Mother Church then? Certainly it cannot be comprised of sinners and be sinless. The two are mutually exclusive if one is sinless and the other are sinners.
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The Holy Catholic Church is The Perfect Bride of Christ! (If you were really Catholic, you would know that.)
Christ came to bring the good news of salvation to humble sinners.
You are argueing a non-arguement, and in the process you are insulting and sneering at Christ’s Church.
Either learn The Faith, which you obviously do not know or you would not post such a silly comment, or leave it.
If you are receiving The Eucharist in your state of arrogance, you need to get to reconciliation…yesterday!
Further, if you actually believe that The Church is being destroyed “from within”, then, once again, you do not know that* “the gates of hell will not prevail against it.” *
 
quote from Tibbar:I intend to stay in. The Church needs reform, and I am a reformer. I believe in working from within first. Those who don’t want real reform will have to throw me out, and if they do, they will be exposed.

So now he is going to stay and he is going to Refrom the church :rotfl:
Oh, dear sweet Tibbar, you are so funny, I’m rolling on the floor, keep em coming your just too funny 👍
 
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Tibbar:
I certaninly do not aspire to be the “Pope,” for if I did, I would have to renounce Jesus Christ as Lord of my life, and that is not something that I am willing to do. You’ve got it wrong. People become evangelicals because they accept God’s love and seek His truth
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And how excatly does being pope means you have to renounce Jesus? You say that you want to reform the church, but you haven’t the faintest idea on how the Church works. I would suggest learning about what the Church actually does or believes before looking to reform anything. that way you’ll stop looking like a complete ignoramus.
and as for this hang up on “works” based religion whats wrong with it? the bible is full of it. If you ever took the time to read the Bible you would notice this (the catholic bible that is not the digested king james version) Read it and think for yourself man. If you renounce the fact that we must do "works " and penance to truely follow the word of God and not just quote the bible to death. then you’re the one who is renouncing Jesus
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Tibbar:
Wheres that verse in the Bible? Satan will attempt to destroy the Catholic Church from within. Don’t you think the RCC is already doing a great job ofthis without any help from Satan?
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Well he/she didn’t say it was in the bible. Lots of things are said that aren’t in the bible. But you are so ignorant you agreed with him/her and you didn’t even know it. Honestly for the sake of your own mental health i hope you don’t take yourself too serious in your attempts at reforming the Church. Because you’re nothing but a joke and good for nothing but a laugh. Now run off and read some more jack chick or dan brown then come back with some more ideas for reforming us, I’m going through a rough time and i need a good laugh.
 
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Tibbar:
Where’s that verse in the Bible? Satan will attempt to destroy the Catholic Church from within. Don’t you think the RCC is already doing a great job of this without any help from Satan.
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And Satan entered into Judas, who was surnamed Iscariot, one of the twelve. Luke 22:3
You cannot drink the chalice of the Lord, and the chalice of devils: you cannot be partakers of the table of the Lord, and of the table of devils. **1 Cor **10:21
Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils 1 Tim 4:1
For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:
2 Tim 4:3
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1
 
It’s great to see Catholics who are passionate for a change. But when Sunday rolls around, I’ll bet you’ll all be praying the prayers you memorized by rote…going through the motions. Why don’t you bring that sort of passion into your parishes? Dust things off in there. Stop doing the same old same old.

Seeing is believing, and so far, there hasn’t been much for me to see.

I challenge each and every one of you who are single to apply to a Catholic seminary. Put your faith where your mouth is. The Church needs priests, and you are single, so what’s stopping you? What’s the matter…not willing to surrender your lives to God?
 
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Tibbar:
It’s great to see Catholics who are passionate for a change. But when Sunday rolls around, I’ll bet you’ll all be praying the prayers you memorized by rote…going through the motions.
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Why must you continue to insult people?

If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 1Cor 13: 1-3
 
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Tibbar:
It’s great to see Catholics who are passionate for a change. But when Sunday rolls around, I’ll bet you’ll all be praying the prayers you memorized by rote…going through the motions. Why don’t you bring that sort of passion into your parishes? Dust things off in there. Stop doing the same old same old.

Seeing is believing, and so far, there hasn’t been much for me to see.

I challenge each and every one of you who are single to apply to a Catholic seminary. Put your faith where your mouth is. The Church needs priests, and you are single, so what’s stopping you? What’s the matter…not willing to surrender your lives to God?
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Hi!

The Priesthood is a calling, not a response to a human challenge. Therein may lie a difference between priests and evangelical pastors.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
**Tibbar, **trying to understand you, I have read back through a couple threads you started and responded to a couple months ago.
I saw where you are a lector in your parish but have been overwhelmed by the liberal mindset and misinformation imparted to you in that parish by your pastor. You are a recent revert, went to seminary and wanted to become a deacon but you were “shot down” because you wish to serve from a conservative mindset and have been told you are too “rigid”.
I am afraid all this has soured you on Christ’s Church. And, to a certain extent, I now understand your mindset of the present time.
PLEASE, run, do not walk, to the nearest orthodox parish in your community! They need you. Pray for Christ to soften your embittered heart and rush back to Him with all the love you so want to give to Him and has been stymied where you now are.
Do not look for what you seek in a protestant church. Christ’s Body and Blood are only available to you in The Catholic Church. He so loves you and, understands your frustration and want you to stay by His side.
I apologize for being so harsh with you in my earlier posts because now I understand what has been going on in your faith life.
I am adding you to my prayers.

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catsrus said:
**Tibbar, **trying to understand you, I have read back through a couple threads you started and responded to a couple months ago.
I saw where you are a lector in your parish but have been overwhelmed by the liberal mindset and misinformation imparted to you in that parish by your pastor. You are a recent revert, went to seminary and wanted to become a deacon but you were “shot down” because you wish to serve from a conservative mindset and have been told you are too “rigid”.
I am afraid all this has soured you on Christ’s Church. And, to a certain extent, I now understand your mindset of the present time.
PLEASE, run, do not walk, to the nearest orthodox parish in your community! They need you. Pray for Christ to soften your embittered heart and rush back to Him with all the love you so want to give to Him and has been stymied where you now are.
Do not look for what you seek in a protestant church. Christ’s Body and Blood are only available to you in The Catholic Church. He so loves you and, understands your frustration and want you to stay by His side.
I apologize for being so harsh with you in my earlier posts because now I understand what has been going on in your faith life.
I am adding you to my prayers.

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There’s a Greek Orthodox Church down the road. Maybe I should go there?
 
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Tibbar:
If Teddy Kennedy, the late Frank Sinatra, and Martin Sheen are considered Catholics, than so am I. I am one of those whom John Ankerberg identifies as Evangelical “Catholic” :

Evangelical “Catholicism”—the branch of former Roman Catholics who are truly Evangelical and who have rejected the unbiblical teachings of Rome, often deciding to remain in the Church as a means to evangelize other Catholics.

The Evangelical “Catholic” is truly an Evangelical believer and not a Catholic. In other words, he is not a committed Roman Catholic who merely appropriates the title of Evangelical Christian. He understands the issues doctrinally and spiritually and attempts to walk what can be a very difficult, and to some people’s minds, inconsistent, line of fidelity to the Bible while remaining a member of the Roman Catholic Church.
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I consider myself to be an evangelical Catholic, but according to the definition of Keith Fournier, not that of John Ankerberg: “…the word, ‘evangelical,’ is an adjective, not a noun.” In fact, he wrote a whole book on the subject, Evangelical Catholics (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1990). Furthermore, he and I are not alone in this view; see www.evangelicalcatholic.org for a particularly enthusiastic approach. Finally, as an over 20-year professed member of the Secular Franciscan Order (“secular” referring to “lay,” in this usage), I can assure you that the evangelical, Gospel life is part and parcel of my vocation. I have no doubt that members of other Secular/Third Orders would report the same understanding.
 
As I suspected way earlier, this person’s a phony. He’s masquerading as a Catholic to plant seeds of doubt maybe to unsuspecting people reading these forums. He’s been exposed. Don’t let the cathedral door hit you on the way out. I will pray for your heart to be opened.
 
Oh, and I don’t consider Ted Kennedy or the rest to be real Catholics. They are CINO’s (Catholic In Name Only).
 
Could ya’ll take the tibbar debate to PM so that we can get back to the topic of the OP? Thanks! 🙂

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
Here is link to a website of people who have left the Church of Christ, I dont know if they are looking into the Catholic Church or not,but it will give you some idea of the issues they had with the faith.
[www.ex-churchofchrist.com](http://www.ex-churchofchrist.com)
 
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Tibbar:
Offering up penances? Sounds an awful lot like a works based religious system to me. You are right in this: It is a fact that the RCC is definitely full of sin from top to bottom.
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faith without works is dead. What do you have to lose, but your pride. At least look into the Catholic Church. It’s not easy to admit we are all full of sin. (sinners). That’s the problem with sola fide, in your heart you’re not clear on how sins that we all commit are forgiven, you can’t accept this power to bind and loose that Jesus conferred upon the 12 who in turn… C’mon just try, you can do it. I fell away for 25 years and came back because all I ever got out of any service depended upon the performance of the “pastor”.You know if you go to mass often you end up receiving the whole Bible, not just the parts that fit novel doctrine. And to top it off you get to receive our Lord- Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, just like the 12 did daily, as saint Paul says.

Peace and Love
 
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Tibbar:
… Pastor made it sound as if the Church was about to experience renewal and revival. I wanted to be part of that in my local area rather than have to drive for miles on end …
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I can completely appreciate this. When my wife and I moved just North of Dallas we felt the same let-down about the parish in our town. We never thought of leaving Catholicism, though. What we did was start attending church in another parish. We LOVED it, small town feel and very conservative (surprised to hear about your liberal experience, actually).

Eventually we went back to our hometown church with a new set of eyes. What we found was SO much better than what we thought we fled. The difference was how involved the parishoners now were in SO many different things … men’s overnight retreats, women’s overnight retreats (Christ Renews His Parish), LifeTeen, Men’s Tuesday evening prayer group, and many, many others.

It’s guys like YOU than can turn this parish around … and help OTHERS that feel the same way you do.

Stay the good fight … DON’T FLEE!!!

Cheers and prayers, my brother.

michel
 
I grew up COC, and I would say it helped lay the foundation for my conversion because of its emphasis on weekly communion and its emphasis on trying to be faithful to the early church. Once I saw what the early church taught about communion (Eucharist), the move to Catholocism was inevitable, I think.
 
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