If you could change RCIA

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One thing that is highlighted here very well is that some RCIA programs are really good, but others are “horrible”. Jimmy Akin has mentioned this numerous times on Catholic Answers Live.

This may sound rude, but sometimes one has to “shop” for a suitable program. I had a two friends who left RCIA formation at one parish (both had not received confirmation in their youth, but had been baptized) and purposely went to another parish due to some questionable teaching by a certain deacon. I knew someone else to went to an introductory class by their house and the first day the RCIA instructor said, “forget the ten commandments, there are only two”. Needless to say, more than one person walked out.

A friend of mine who is a Catholic convert went through RCIA on three different occasions before receiving the “grand slam” - Baptism, Reconciliation, Eucharist, and Confirmation. I admire converts like this who have really thought about becoming Catholic.

One thing I would ask about would be materials used. Materials from known “dissenters” I would question why they are being used. The problem is, one who is not as educated may not know who the dissenting Catholics are. Certain publishing houses I would question too. Ten years ago, I would have been oblivious to who the dissenters were.

I highly recommend Catholicism for Dummies, and some universities are even using it for an introductory theology class. It is also written in plain English, and both Fr. Trigilio and Fr. Brighenti have a Nihil Obstat. Another resource I recommend is Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn, which helped me a great deal in my reversion story. Another part of my reversion story was meeting a girl at a parish I attended (I lived in another city at the time) who was a returning Catholic through RCIA, and she was on fire.

I also agree that people are on different levels, and sitting around reading the readings is not enough preparation. I used to attend a Bible Sharing for singles’ where we read the Sunday readings and discussed, but I came more for social reasons than anything else, but I digress.

One parish I belonged to years ago had a separate RCIA for those who had already been baptized and had received Eucharist, so it was more like an adult confirmation preparation. Some people would like that better, but I could also see others just rushing through this kind of program for different reasons.

I do know some people that were able to have a “1 on 1” type study that could start at anytime. That way, you wouldn’t have to wait for RCIA to start in the fall. Some places are more open to this than others. I do admire those who have taken the time to study on their own, or attend lectures/seminars/adult programs on their own time. Most of my convert Catholic friends are very well-formed, and spent some time thinking and praying about whether to cross the tiber. My reversion story is somewhat similar.

I got confirmed in high school, and my brother and I just did it without much question. I think half my class was there because parents and grandparents forced them to be there, and by high school graduation, quite a few had “graduated” from Church. I remember going to my 5 year high school reunion (I went to public school) and out of the people I ran into from the parish I attended, 90% were no longer attending Mass.

As far as Sacramental preparation, I’ve said like a broken record that I learned more about the Sacraments from the Boy Scout Ad Altare Dei program than I learned in any CCD class growing up. Unfortunately, I was already a Life Scout (and confirmed) when I enrolled in the Ad Altare Dei program. I had been asking around since I was 13 (and a First Class Scout) to find a program, and even my parish priest didn’t know much about the program. Fortunately, my younger brother was able to go through the Ad Altare Dei at a much younger age, receiving his at 13.

I’ll close my box today.
 
One thing that is highlighted here very well is that some RCIA programs are really good, but others are “horrible”. Jimmy Akin has mentioned this numerous times on Catholic Answers Live.

One thing I would ask about would be materials used. Materials from known “dissenters” I would question why they are being used. The problem is, one who is not as educated may not know who the dissenting Catholics are. Certain publishing houses I would question too. Ten years ago, I would have been oblivious to who the dissenters were.

I highly recommend Catholicism for Dummies, and some universities are even using it for an introductory theology class. It is also written in plain English, and both Fr. Trigilio and Fr. Brighenti have a Nihil Obstat. Another resource I recommend is Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn, which helped me a great deal in my reversion story. Another part of my reversion story was meeting a girl at a parish I attended (I lived in another city at the time) who was a returning Catholic through RCIA, and she was on fire.

Most of my convert Catholic friends are very well-formed, and spent some time thinking and praying about whether to cross the tiber. My reversion story is somewhat similar.

I got confirmed in high school, and my brother and I just did it without much question. I think half my class was there because parents and grandparents forced them to be there, and by high school graduation, quite a few had “graduated” from Church. I remember going to my 5 year high school reunion (I went to public school) and out of the people I ran into from the parish I attended, 90% were no longer attending Mass.

As far as Sacramental preparation, I’ve said like a broken record that I learned more about the Sacraments from the Boy Scout Ad Altare Dei program than I learned in any CCD class growing up. Unfortunately, I was already a Life Scout (and confirmed) when I enrolled in the Ad Altare Dei program. I had been asking around since I was 13 (and a First Class Scout) to find a program, and even my parish priest didn’t know much about the program. Fortunately, my younger brother was able to go through the Ad Altare Dei at a much younger age, receiving his at 13.

I’ll close my box today.
Wonderful post thank you. A couple of thoughts, one that a friend’s husband went through RCIA and they also recommended Catholicism for Dummies. He had a strong Protestant background and was a believer but needed to understand the specifics of Catholicism, especially important were the answers to the many attacks against Catholicism he’d heard as a former Evangelical.

Also your comment about those who went through Confirmation and then left the Church makes me very sad. I think this is something every Parish needs to focus on particularly. This age group is the one that seems to drift away. Although some return when they marry or start a family, many are lost forever or become what I call secular Catholics (rather like many Jews they self identify but do not follow their faith tradition).

Again thank you for taking the time and I loved hearing the info on Ad Altare Dei as my fiance is a “Revert” who’d been away from the Church for 30 years. But even so he always held on to the newspaper clipping with a photo of him and his priest when he received this designation.

Lisa
 
I knew someone else to went to an introductory class by their house and the first day the RCIA instructor said, “forget the ten commandments, there are only two”. Needless to say, more than one person walked out.
This brings to mind that some poor RCIA experiences may not be due to an unorthodox presenter, but to miscommunication between the instructor and instructee. I can see the presenter hoping to go over the Gospel reading in the BOW section, the one about where the guy comes up and asks Jesus which commandment is the greatest, they throw something out about it and the pass fumbles, and is incomplete.

Having sat through many years of RCIA classes, I can tell you that orthodox priests, presenters, whomever, have this sort of thing happen. It is a subtle skill to reduce large amounts of complex information to a few brief words squished in before you have to rush on to something else, such as saying mass, while speaking to an extremely diverse group of people who are unlikely to make the simple assumptions that one might commonly expect an educated religious audience to make. Fumbles happen.

Moral: to improve RCIA the presenter ought to discover just what he is assuming his class knows that they don’t actually know. I had a student have no idea why in the publican and the pharisee that I would imagine that the publican might have gone home from the temple joyfully. That is a super opportunity to explain, but I have to know that I need to do it, first.
 
Moral: to improve RCIA the presenter ought to discover just what he is assuming his class knows that they don’t actually know. I had a student have no idea why in the publican and the pharisee that I would imagine that the publican might have gone home from the temple joyfully. That is a super opportunity to explain, but I have to know that I need to do it, first.
FWIW our RCIA leader (a Deacon) sends out an email prior to the session and states what will be discussed, who will be presenting and also references to the Catechism if someone wants to read ahead. I think this is helpful and makes the presentations more valuable. to the class.

Lisa
 
FWIW our RCIA leader (a Deacon) sends out an email prior to the session and states what will be discussed, who will be presenting and also references to the Catechism if someone wants to read ahead. I think this is helpful and makes the presentations more valuable. to the class.

Lisa
I agree that is a good practice, especially telling them where to read up on the upcoming topic if they want. 🙂
 
That does sound like a good practice.

Also I agree 100% with Catholicism for Dummies. To be honest I think reading that book would probably give someone more than enough information make sense of the Church 🙂
 
What a blessing to see others have faced liberal RCIA like I have. I was shocked last night to hear the priest talking about ordination of women and that it was okay to use birth control. I am thinking of postponing my Rite of Acceptance to find a more traditional parish. How did you all deal with that? Did you continue with Catechumenate even though it wasn’t orthodox? Did you speak up in class and try to redirect conversation? Ideas?
 
What a blessing to see others have faced liberal RCIA like I have. I was shocked last night to hear the priest talking about ordination of women and that it was okay to use birth control. I am thinking of postponing my Rite of Acceptance to find a more traditional parish. How did you all deal with that? Did you continue with Catechumenate even though it wasn’t orthodox? Did you speak up in class and try to redirect conversation? Ideas?
Find another Parish! You are not going to convince the misguided that they know better than the USCCB or the Pope.

It’s hard to believe a Priest is speaking in such a heretical way. I’ve heard of some well meaning but misguided laypersons who start channelling Sister Joan Chittester when they teach RCIA but generally the Priests are orthodox.

Don’t lose faith in the Church because there are some misguided souls. Best of blessings on your wonderful journey

Lisa
 
What a blessing to see others have faced liberal RCIA like I have. I was shocked last night to hear the priest talking about ordination of women and that it was okay to use birth control. I am thinking of postponing my Rite of Acceptance to find a more traditional parish. How did you all deal with that? Did you continue with Catechumenate even though it wasn’t orthodox? Did you speak up in class and try to redirect conversation? Ideas?
I’d be shocked too! My RCIA class was taught by our priest and he is a very conservative man in his 40’s. I appreciated his views since I’m conservative as well. I can’t imagine having to face a liberal RCIA class!
 
What a blessing to see others have faced liberal RCIA like I have. I was shocked last night to hear the priest talking about ordination of women and that it was okay to use birth control. I am thinking of postponing my Rite of Acceptance to find a more traditional parish. How did you all deal with that? Did you continue with Catechumenate even though it wasn’t orthodox? Did you speak up in class and try to redirect conversation? Ideas?
I sometimes wonder if this is not questioned or allowed to go on in some places due to a desire to make Catholicism more “palatable” to people in today’s society. Which is no excuse.

My personal direction to go would be to emphasize the obligations and the “difficult” beliefs very openly and honestly, and really dig deeply into why these things are the way they are. It wouldn’t have to be all in one big block; there could be sections on the beauty of the liturgy and the Bible and other topics.

But it’s better that people join the Church knowing the most difficult parts first rather than learning them later and wanting to bail out. Also, with the right explanations, the difficult parts may not be as difficult as they might seem.
 
If you could change anything about the way RCIA is done, what would you do?

This includes generally (i.e., the broad structure of RCIA nationwide, as a nine month or so period of instruction leading up to Easter Vigil reception of the sacraments) or the way it is done at your parish specifically.
Return to the pre-'62 traditions.

Hey…you asked.
 
I sometimes wonder if this is not questioned or allowed to go on in some places due to a desire to make Catholicism more “palatable” to people in today’s society. Which is no excuse.

My personal direction to go would be to emphasize the obligations and the “difficult” beliefs very openly and honestly, and really dig deeply into why these things are the way they are. It wouldn’t have to be all in one big block; there could be sections on the beauty of the liturgy and the Bible and other topics.

But it’s better that people join the Church knowing the most difficult parts first rather than learning them later and wanting to bail out. Also, with the right explanations, the difficult parts may not be as difficult as they might seem.
I really like this idea. It makes sense and I think it’s important to avoid having more Catholics in the pew who are easy prey to anti-Catholic protestors.
 
I asked why we were given bibles but not a copy of the catechism. I received no reply to this question.
  1. Make it longer to accommodate a more indepth look at the teachings of the Catholic Church specifically as opposed to just covering the basics of Christianity as a whole. Myself and the other lady who attended RCIA with me were taught NOTHING about the Catholic Church’s teaching on pre-marital sex, birth control, abortion, etc. etc. etc. The lady I attended with turned around and moved in with her boyfriend…
  2. No More ‘scripture gazing’. To explain this further, my parish RCIA group had a system where every week we would read a section of Scripture and then share how it made us FEEL and how we would apply it to our daily life. Instead of discussing how it makes us feel I would encourage a more indepth study of how the Catholic Church understands those verses.
  3. More emphasis on moral teaching. My particular group talked very little about morality and a whole lot about who Jesus was and who God is. While those two topics are important I think discussing Christian morality is pretty darned important too!
  4. More explanation of the Sacraments. These were glossed over very quickly by our group.
And that’s about it.
 
I asked why we were given bibles but not a copy of the catechism. I received no reply to this question.
I don’t know about you but I was told that the Catechism is too difficult to understand. We were encouraged NOT to read it, in case it just confused us. We were told instead to read little handouts that dumbed things down so much that I wasn’t sure WHAT they were telling us to believe. Those stupid handouts were more confusing then the Catechism - which I read and LOVED.
 
I don’t know about you but I was told that the Catechism is too difficult to understand. We were encouraged NOT to read it, in case it just confused us. We were told instead to read little handouts that dumbed things down so much that I wasn’t sure WHAT they were telling us to believe. Those stupid handouts were more confusing then the Catechism - which I read and LOVED.
I don’t know where people get the idea that the Catechism is that difficult a book to simply read. Yes, it has footnotes so that if you want to follow up on a reference you can, but it can also just be read, and it’s divided into sections, well-organized, and also very inspirational in many places. 👍
 
I don’t know where people get the idea that the Catechism is that difficult a book to simply read. Yes, it has footnotes so that if you want to follow up on a reference you can, but it can also just be read, and it’s divided into sections, well-organized, and also very inspirational in many places. 👍
I thought it was beautiful. 🙂 I pick it up now and then just because I love it.

There is a lot of love and beauty in that book.
 
  1. Make it longer to accommodate a more indepth look at the teachings of the Catholic Church specifically as opposed to just covering the basics of Christianity as a whole. Myself and the other lady who attended RCIA with me were taught NOTHING about the Catholic Church’s teaching on pre-marital sex, birth control, abortion, etc. etc. etc. The lady I attended with turned around and moved in with her boyfriend…
  2. No More ‘scripture gazing’. To explain this further, my parish RCIA group had a system where every week we would read a section of Scripture and then share how it made us FEEL and how we would apply it to our daily life. Instead of discussing how it makes us feel I would encourage a more indepth study of how the Catholic Church understands those verses.
  3. More emphasis on moral teaching. My particular group talked very little about morality and a whole lot about who Jesus was and who God is. While those two topics are important I think discussing Christian morality is pretty darned important too!
  4. More explanation of the Sacraments. These were glossed over very quickly by our group.
And that’s about it.
Agree totally…

Perhaps there needs to be an official instruction plan / Syllabus for each of the years A, B, and C so all the parishes can be on the same page…
Purpose, to guarantee the basics covered each week,

Extra time for the items we did cover as described above as it was beneficial, but mostly unnecessary.
 
Just personal preference really. I can learn massive amounts of information if you leave me alone with a bunch of books/materials. I do not learn well sitting around being talked at. Our local RCIA is mostly taught by non-priests as we have a critical lack of priests. This leads to problems as their technical nowledge isnt great. Also they dont have teaching experience. Unfortunately it creates the perfect storm for mediocrity.

I guess another solution could be upgrading technical skills and mandatory teaching experience. The problem is thats asking a lot for volunteers.

As for the requirement of a sponsor, it just seems unnecessary.
Interaction with the community is a must. I know in one parish where the pastor was on the North American Forum on the Catechumenate, a Muslim Bosnian was asking to be baptized and was in RCIA. In the same parish was a Catholic Croat. The Bosnian would always refuse to sit near &/or shake hands with the Croat at the Sign of Peace. As far as the RCIA team and the community were concerned, until she could do that she was not ready for Baptism. It took her more than two full years and then one day she told them that she finally understood what they were talking about and she was happy that they had set the bar there.
 
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