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Lepanto
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If you could choose one hymnal for your (Ordinary Form vernacular but Latin-friendly) parish…
Which would it be? Why?
Which would you avoid? Why?
Which would it be? Why?
Which would you avoid? Why?
If you could choose one hymnal for your (Ordinary Form but Latin-friendly) parish
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Adoremus. Absolutely no question about it.
Since you mentioned Latin-friendly, then a copy of the Graduale Simplex should not hurt either.
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drforjc
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Adoremus for sure.
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baltobetsy
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I’d reach back in time and get GIA’s Worship II, the one with all the original poetry and a defense of doing this instead of the inclusive language garbage.
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Marysann
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The old GIA (which use to stand for Gregorian Institute of America) hymnal Worship II is a great one, but I am not sure if it is still in print. A new hymnal that you should look into is the St. Michael Hymnal. If you google “St. Michael Hymnal” you will be able to find all of the information that you will need to examine it. Our parish and at least three others our area are using it now, and the Pontifical Institute of Notre Dame in Jerusalem, where we attended Mass when we lived in Israel, has ordered the hymnals. The St. Michael has the texts of the ordinary of the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin and English, chant and English Mass settings, Latin hymns, traditional English hymns, hymns in Spanish, and a few new songs. The table of contents is on line. Take a look at it, and I think that you will be impressed.
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PhilotheaZ
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Adoremus is excellent, but I also love the Collegeville Hymnal litpress.org/Detail.aspx?ISBN=0814615694 . It has a mix of old/traditional and newer hymns (but nothing scandalous), some Latin (but mostly English), and the musical quality of the hymns passes muster with a Juillard-trained organist who can’t stand the poorly-written trash that passes for music in some hymnals.
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brigid12
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I love the Adoremus hymnal, but have to admit to not having seen the old GIA hymnal or the Collegeville Hymnal.
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JPUSC
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I tihink a parish self-published hymmal with traditional hymns would be nice so you don’t have to worry about copyright or licensing and renewing yearly rights.
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Cavaille-Coll
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I would choose the St. Michael Hymnal first, with the Adoremus Hymnal a very close second. If the parish made more use of the Extraordinary Form, I would choose the latter.
The Collegeville Hymnal has some good music in it, but the organ books are a confusing nightmare to navigate through and the Celebrating the Eucharist missals contain some of the worst responsorial psalm tunes I’ve ever heard or attempted to play.
J.S. Paluch made the We Celebrate hymnal for years, but they too caved into the PC scene and began altering hymn texts.
The Adoremus Hymnal is an excellent hymnal, except that it is rather small and there are no Spanish hymns included, which forces one to rely upon the only Spanish hymnal currently in print, whose name shall not be uttered here. It does, however, have an excellent collection of Gregorian chant pieces and, together with the St Michael Hymnal, is one of the only publications actively trying to fulfill Vatican II mandates on liturgical music.
The St. Michael Hymnal is my personal favorite in that it has unaltered, traditional English hymns, several good Spanish ones, and a few of the lesser-offending newer hymns to help wean people off whatever they had been using before. There is one strange entry, however: the “Agnus Dei” from the Schubert-based Deutsche Messe. It is a lovely tune, but the words do not approximate the correct translation of the Agnus Dei. That is about the only case where there is a textual aberration in this hymnal.
GIA’s Worship II was a beautiful hymnal, but it is no longer available. Another great one is the Westminster Hymnal from the UK, if you don’t mind the English tradition of putting the music at the top of the page and words at the bottom.
Regarding Spanish music, 500 Cantos Para la Comunidad Cristiana (México: Librería Gerardo Mayela), is an an indispensable compendium of traditional Mexican and Hispanic hymns. It is about the only Spanish language hymnal with printed music that isn’t from you-know-where. The printed music sometimes features handwritten notes and there is no organ book, but it is proof that music at Spanish Masses can be reverent and devotional, and doesn’t have to come from a ranchero band playing at full volume.
The Collegeville Hymnal has some good music in it, but the organ books are a confusing nightmare to navigate through and the Celebrating the Eucharist missals contain some of the worst responsorial psalm tunes I’ve ever heard or attempted to play.
J.S. Paluch made the We Celebrate hymnal for years, but they too caved into the PC scene and began altering hymn texts.
The Adoremus Hymnal is an excellent hymnal, except that it is rather small and there are no Spanish hymns included, which forces one to rely upon the only Spanish hymnal currently in print, whose name shall not be uttered here. It does, however, have an excellent collection of Gregorian chant pieces and, together with the St Michael Hymnal, is one of the only publications actively trying to fulfill Vatican II mandates on liturgical music.
The St. Michael Hymnal is my personal favorite in that it has unaltered, traditional English hymns, several good Spanish ones, and a few of the lesser-offending newer hymns to help wean people off whatever they had been using before. There is one strange entry, however: the “Agnus Dei” from the Schubert-based Deutsche Messe. It is a lovely tune, but the words do not approximate the correct translation of the Agnus Dei. That is about the only case where there is a textual aberration in this hymnal.
GIA’s Worship II was a beautiful hymnal, but it is no longer available. Another great one is the Westminster Hymnal from the UK, if you don’t mind the English tradition of putting the music at the top of the page and words at the bottom.
Regarding Spanish music, 500 Cantos Para la Comunidad Cristiana (México: Librería Gerardo Mayela), is an an indispensable compendium of traditional Mexican and Hispanic hymns. It is about the only Spanish language hymnal with printed music that isn’t from you-know-where. The printed music sometimes features handwritten notes and there is no organ book, but it is proof that music at Spanish Masses can be reverent and devotional, and doesn’t have to come from a ranchero band playing at full volume.
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puzzleannie
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Adoremus, or the old Worship that is now out of print, however while I am wishing I will wish for a music ministry that can make proper use of these resources.
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Cavaille-Coll
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Step 1: Make the piano disappear.
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puzzleannie
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we have no piano. try shoddy electric organ, electronic keyboard and assorted string instruments of the folk rather than classical variety. no drums, praise heaven.
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Cavaille-Coll
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Used pipe organs can be purchased from places like the Pipe Organ Clearing House for a fraction of the price of a new one. If your building’s physical dimensions or your parish’s finances won’t allow that, you can often find fairly decent electronic church organs (not home organs) at low prices from organ dealers who have received them as trade-ins for newer organs.
Keyboards can be blessed into silence with enough holy water…
String instruments? You’ll need to get ashes for Lent from somewhere.
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Ruthie
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I haven’t been exposed to any of the ones you long-timers suggest - but I know what I don’t want!
Rant follows!
No more “Press Which Must Not Be Named.” No more songs that sound like something we might have sung around the campfire in summer camp. No more weird rhythms that not even this lover of 5/8 and 7/8 can figure out. No more “hymns” which are all about *us *and how *groovy *it is that we love Christ. I’d rather hear that old Unitarian favorite, “Once To Every Man and Nation.” Come to think of it, that would be a good one to play on Election day! And every day leading up to it! Everywhere!
No more “song sheets” from Christian Radio. (I like Christian Radio, and listen to it a lot - but I don’t want it in the pews.)
More traditional hymns - and in 4-part harmony, if you please. I am an alto. I can’t hit those top notes. Give me a line I can sing.
More chant. (Interestingly enough, our Sunday night Mass, which is for the college kids, always does the Salve Regina at the end. So did the now-defunct Lifeteen Mass. Who says the kids want pop?) I don’t read the traditional notation very well, though.
More classical composers. Many wrote beautiful Masses, including Beethoven. I’m sure Vivaldi has plenty of good Mass settings that are easy to sing; he wrote for a schoolgirls’ choir!
End of rant.
Shoot, if my parish did the above, I’d be happy to teach a class in how to read music.
I don’t mind the guitars and other non-traditional instruments, though. They’re morally neutral, so to speak. If the music they play is reverent, then so are they.
God bless all Church musicians,
Ruthie
Rant follows!
No more “Press Which Must Not Be Named.” No more songs that sound like something we might have sung around the campfire in summer camp. No more weird rhythms that not even this lover of 5/8 and 7/8 can figure out. No more “hymns” which are all about *us *and how *groovy *it is that we love Christ. I’d rather hear that old Unitarian favorite, “Once To Every Man and Nation.” Come to think of it, that would be a good one to play on Election day! And every day leading up to it! Everywhere!
No more “song sheets” from Christian Radio. (I like Christian Radio, and listen to it a lot - but I don’t want it in the pews.)
More traditional hymns - and in 4-part harmony, if you please. I am an alto. I can’t hit those top notes. Give me a line I can sing.
More chant. (Interestingly enough, our Sunday night Mass, which is for the college kids, always does the Salve Regina at the end. So did the now-defunct Lifeteen Mass. Who says the kids want pop?) I don’t read the traditional notation very well, though.
More classical composers. Many wrote beautiful Masses, including Beethoven. I’m sure Vivaldi has plenty of good Mass settings that are easy to sing; he wrote for a schoolgirls’ choir!
End of rant.
Shoot, if my parish did the above, I’d be happy to teach a class in how to read music.
I don’t mind the guitars and other non-traditional instruments, though. They’re morally neutral, so to speak. If the music they play is reverent, then so are they.
God bless all Church musicians,
Ruthie
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puzzleannie
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we do songsheets. since flooding from hurricane a couple of years ago destroyed both Gather and Flor y Canto (yes!) we have had no hymnals, and those had been donated in the first place,used, from another parish. need an exorcism for our musical program, instruments and sound system. the point is there is no point expending money on an organ when there is no one who can play it, and no one who can cantor and sing at the same tempo in the same key as the organist.Used pipe organs can be purchased from places like the Pipe Organ Clearing House for a fraction of the price of a new one. If your building’s physical dimensions or your parish’s finances won’t allow that, you can often find fairly decent electronic church organs (not home organs) at low prices from organ dealers who have received them as trade-ins for newer organs.
Keyboards can be blessed into silence with enough holy water…
String instruments? You’ll need to get ashes for Lent from somewhere.
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Cavaille-Coll
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Does Flor y Canto float? I’ve always wondered…
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