If you could form a new country....

[TheRealJuliane]

Not enough.

He only has billions not trillions.

Each Space Shuttle cost between $1B and $2B and that was just a seven person spacecraft. What you are describing would start at $1T just for the empty shell.

Okay, then Bill Gates, Michael Moore, AND George Soros! They’d all benefit from being Catholic!



oh, wait… I seem to remember that Michael Moore claims to already BE Catholic…

 

[Della]

I had envisioned building an artificial island–which would not need to be launched/built in space–a very hostile and unforgiving environment for any community. An artificial island could be built up sections at a time, as people wished to immigrate to it. Everyone would contribute to it’s building and maintenance. If not in money, in time and work.

 

[Kanuckistani]

I’ve always dreamed of creating my own country so here’s what I would like it to be.

It would probably be a theocracy based on the Vatican, but on a much larger scale. It would be governed by the Pope, and would be located around Texas, upper Mexico, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi Arkansas, Alabama, Florida pan-handle, Georgia, Tennessee, and South and North Carolina.

Though it would have a constitution similar to the current United States, but more emphasis on personal liberty and responsibility and having church and state together, along with having everyone with a gun, though with some restrictions.

I’d like to explain more in depth, but I think I would have to write a book in that case.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I’ve always dreamed of creating my own country so here’s what I would like it to be: it would probably be a theocracy based on the Vatican, but on a much larger scale. It would be governed by the Pope, and would be located around Texas, upper Mexico, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi Arkansas, Alabama, Florida pan-handle, Georgia, Tennessee, and South and North Carolina.

A theocracy is a very bad idea as there is no real limits on the power of the leaders, because they think they receive their power from God. Also, how would your system’s leaders obtain the consent of the people, which is the foundation of all legitimate government?

Though it would have a constitution similar to the current United States, but more emphasis on personal liberty and responsibility and having church and state together, along with having everyone with a gun, though with some restrictions.

Seperation of Church and state is an excellent idea because both organizations have different duties, the Church directs the faithful to salvation, and the state merely protects the rights of its citizens.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I had envisioned building an artificial island–which would not need to be launched/built in space–a very hostile and unforgiving environment for any community. An artificial island could be built up sections at a time, as people wished to immigrate to it. Everyone would contribute to it’s building and maintenance. If not in money, in time and work.

The only thing is…where would you get your energy supply from? We really need a source of independent energy. Like, crude oil.

 

[GEddie]

The only thing is…where would you get your energy supply from? We really need a source of independent energy. Like, crude oil.

Nothing prevents the artificial island being raised above an oceanic oil field. In fact, this might be a source of revenue for the new state, in agreeing to rent drilling access to oil companies in lieu of building offshore derricks.

The great depth of such formations however might be a deterrent.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Della]

The only thing is…where would you get your energy supply from? We really need a source of independent energy. Like, crude oil.

Sea water could be used to produce energy along with solar and wind. For income (to buy things the islanders couldn’t produce) an artificial reef could be made under the island so vacationing scuba divers could observe the fishes and other sea creatures. Tourism would be the main source of outside income–just for buying whatever we couldn’t produce ourselves.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Nothing prevents the artificial island being raised above an oceanic oil field. In fact, this might be a source of revenue for the new state, in agreeing to rent drilling access to oil companies in lieu of building offshore derricks.

The great depth of such formations however might be a deterrent.

ICXC NIKA

Yes, it IS a deterrent…A limitation, for now. The tremendous underwater pressure brings its own dangers with it…just the weight of all the pipeline needed to get the oil up to surface, for one engineering problem. Over time, more of these limitations are solved, but the technology has its own pace.

I still recommend locating in an area where exploration has been ongoing and where the infrastructure is in place, i.e., Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana. (But one condition for including Louisiana is the planned desertion of New Orleans. That city should never have been built. No offense to any residents of N.O. but you know what I mean.)

 

[LightBound]

Likewise, my monarchy would follow Salic Law, women would not be able to ascend the throne.

Any reason why? Do you just want to see that women are left in a 2nd class citizen/subservient role?

 

[GEddie]

Yes, it IS a deterrent…A limitation, for now. The tremendous underwater pressure brings its own dangers with it…just the weight of all the pipeline needed to get the oil up to surface, for one engineering problem. Over time, more of these limitations are solved, but the technology has its own pace.

I still recommend locating in an area where exploration has been ongoing and where the infrastructure is in place, i.e., Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana. (But one condition for including Louisiana is the planned desertion of New Orleans. That city should never have been built. No offense to any residents of N.O. but you know what I mean.)

Come on, there needs to be a major city at the mouth of the Mississippi. There always will be, until the river itself reroutes.

NO has stood for three hundred years and countless storms. Probably the low lying areas should be abandoned, but the old French Quarter mostly survived Katrina, and will live on.

ICXC NIKA

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Come on, there needs to be a major city at the mouth of the Mississippi. There always will be, until the river itself reroutes.

NO has stood for three hundred years and countless storms. Probably the low lying areas should be abandoned, but the old French Quarter mostly survived Katrina, and will live on.

ICXC NIKA

You could re-locate NO further up-river. The French Quarter would be a loss, I’ll grant you that.

 

[Bill_7154]

…what form of government would you want and where would you want it to be?

I ask this in the SJ forum because it is a social issue and to ask if it would be justified?

Please, no discussions about any current country’s failings/benefits. And let’s not get overly worked up, either. Let’s keep this a straight up discussion of options. Thank you. :tiphat:

I would make myself King. Power corrupts. Voting to choose which Kings will rule over us is not freedom, I don’t care what their titles are or whether or not they have titles or even if they don’t hold an ellected office.

They have citizens ‘blaming’ each other for the contries gov’t doing a bad job “you didn’t vote, you can’t complain” or whatever. lol

God Bless,
Bill

 

[sw85]

…what form of government would you want and where would you want it to be?

I ask this in the SJ forum because it is a social issue and to ask if it would be justified?

Please, no discussions about any current country’s failings/benefits. And let’s not get overly worked up, either. Let’s keep this a straight up discussion of options. Thank you. :tiphat:

I’d prefer a mixed state, combining monarchical, feudal, and democratic elements, like England of old, with the Catholic Church established as the formal state religion.

 

[Robertanthony]

I’d prefer a mixed state, combining monarchical, feudal, and democratic elements, like England of old, with the Catholic Church established as the formal state religion.

You mean no more dogma of “separation of Church and state”? Can you imagine the number of people who would drop dead at the mere possiblity of this? Having the Catholic Church thus established would instantly rid us of some of the on-going craziness. If your new country includes the Bahamas, I’m in.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I’d prefer a mixed state, combining monarchical, feudal, and democratic elements, like England of old, with the Catholic Church established as the formal state religion.

The purpose of government is the protection of the individual’s rights. I don’t see how having an established state religion helps that goal. It would probably lead to persecution like the Inquisition.

 

[sw85]

The purpose of government is the protection of the individual’s rights. I don’t see how having an established state religion helps that goal. It would probably lead to persecution like the Inquisition.

That’s definitely the conventional wisdom of Founderolatry. Too bad it’s wrong:

"Every human community needs an authority to govern it. The foundation of such authority lies in human nature. It is necessary for the unity of the state. Its role is to ensure as far as possible the common good of the society. "

–CCC 1898​

See also:

*"In political affairs, and all matters civil, **the laws aim at securing the common good . . . *"

–Pope Leo XIII, “Immortale Dei” § 18​

 

[austenbosten]

I’d prefer a mixed state, combining monarchical, feudal, and democratic elements, like England of old, with the Catholic Church established as the formal state religion.

Yes! Sign me up…as long as taxes are simple and few.

 

[GEddie]

Yes! Sign me up…as long as taxes are simple and few.

Problem is, that monarchies often have simPle but very high taxes, since they have a royal family to maintain to royal standards. That’s the problem with them.

 

[austenbosten]

Problem is, that monarchies often have simPle but very high taxes, since they have a royal family to maintain to royal standards. That’s the problem with them.

Problem is, the US is not a monarchy, but we have complex and fairly high taxes since we have an elected family that seeks to have standards above that of royalty. So perhaps monarchies aren’t so bad.

 

[Della]

Problem is, that monarchies often have simPle but very high taxes, since they have a royal family to maintain to royal standards. That’s the problem with them.

The kind of “royal” family I envision is not one in which they sit on their fannies while everyone else works for them. It’s more like the head elder of all the family elders who works as hard as eveyone else within his own family and doing his own business. Everyone would belong to a guild, so everyone would learn some form of work from homemakers to physicians–everyone would have a vocation/occupation that contributes to the welfare of their families and thus for the good of the whole country.