If you died right now, Would you go to hell?

[Zirconia]

I would hope heaven, but not knowing the mind of God, I had to say I don’t know.

Has anyone else ever wondered whether God revokes people’s salvation? With no warning and no known reason? Sometimes it keeps me awake at night.

Thoughts?

Zirconia

 

[LilyM]

I would hope heaven, but not knowing the mind of God, I had to say I don’t know.

Has anyone else ever wondered whether God revokes people’s salvation? With no warning and no known reason? Sometimes it keeps me awake at night.

Thoughts?

Zirconia

Are you kidding :bigyikes:

God is just, reasonable, merciful, and loving. And most importantly keeps his promises. It goes against every one of those qualities to revoke eternal life which he has promised that we CAN all attain - and without reason!

 

[LilyM]

I know I’d go to hell. I have treated many people very badly and to top it off slept with a married women and ruined their marriage.

I have not been to confession because I need to fulfill RCIA first as I was baptized but nothing past that.

I just hope God allows me to make it so I can take first communion and confess all I have done.

God doesn’t expect of us that which we cannot perform. :nope: Nor is he bound to ONLY forgive everyone after formal confession. Look at the thief on the Cross beside Jesus if you want proof of that.

So if at present you are unable, by virtue of not yet being Catholic, to receive absolution from a priest, rest assured you won’t be left in the lurch if you’re genuinely sorry and have resolved to go when you’re able.

 

[happygal]

I hope to go heaven, but now i’m in mortal Sin,

 

[lumendelumine]

I’d quite probably go to Purgatory. I’ve been sinning since my last confession (which was about a week ago), but probably not mortally.

@hlmem:

I second LilyM. Anyone who has not been absolved of mortal sin, can be saved if they have repented out of the love of God (perfect contrition). This can even happen in the very moment of death. We must always trust the mercy of God and love Him with all our heart, our soul and our might.

And also don’t forget: Despair about the mercy of God is a mortal sin.

 

[julebenn]

Were these verses in your Bible too?

Heb. 7:27, 9:12,26;10:10; 1 Pet 3:18 - Jesus died once and redeemed us all, but we participate in the application of His redemption by the way in which we live.

Heb. 9:12 - Christ’s sacrifice secured our redemption, but redemption is not the same thing as salvation. We participate in and hope for salvation. Our hope in salvation is a guarantee if we are faithful to Christ to the end. But if we lose hope and fail to persevere, we can lose our salvation. Thus, by our own choosing (not by God’s doing), salvation is not a certainty. While many Protestant churches believe in the theology of “once saved, always saved,” such a novel theory is not found in Scripture and has never been taught by the Church.

We are not garanteed salvation - we hope for salvation!

“To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy.” Jude 24

God’s power is able to keep me, you, believer from falling. It is up to Him, not us, to present us before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.

“I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand” (John 10:28-29b).

                             Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

         John 3:15-16 tells me that if I believe in Jesus I will have eternal life,  if I'm promised eterna life, but then can have it taken away, it was never eternal in the first place.

Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

I would hate to go through life wondering if I was saved or not, what kind of Joy is that.

 

[deb1]

“To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy.” Jude 24

God’s power is able to keep me, you, believer from falling. It is up to Him, not us, to present us before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.

“I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand” (John 10:28-29b).

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

John 3:15-16 tells me that if I believe in Jesus I will have eternal life, if I’m promised eterna life, but then can have it taken away, it was never eternal in the first place.

Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

I would hate to go through life wondering if I was saved or not, what kind of Joy is that.

I used to believe in Once saved, always saved and I found it an imprisoning belief. It weighed on my soul like a heavy weight. Thank God(Not using his name in vain) I no longer believe this.

I like to think logically not emotionally. When I read the bible, I read verses that said that nothing unclean can come into heaven. Well, despite a rather emotional salvation experience, I still sin and am highly tempted to do so.

I also knew Christians who appeared very, very religious but fell away. My fellow Baptist always said that this was because these people were never Christian to begin with.

This bothered me.

If they could fall away then so could I. If I still had doubts, was I really saved to begin with?

Thank God(Again, not taking his name in vain) I now believe that I have to work in conjunction with the Holy Spirit.

 

[julebenn]

We are not garanteed salvation - we hope for salvation!

Biblical definition of “hope” is **“confident expectation.” **
The assurance regarding things that are unclear and unknown (Romans 8:24-25; Hebrews 11:1,7). **NOT AS WISHFUL THINKING

** The righteous who trust or put their hope in God will be helped (Psalm 28:7) and they will not be confounded, put to shame, or disappointed (Isaiah 49:23). The righteous who have this trustful hope in God have a general confidence in God’s protection and help (Jeremiah 29:11), and are free from fear and anxiety (Psalm 46:2-3).

I don’t have to go wondering with fear and anxiety if I’m saved or not.
Hope produces **joy **and **peace **in believers through the power of the Spirit (Romans 12:12, 15:13). Paul attributes his apostolic calling to the hope of eternal glory (Titus 1:1-2)

 

[deb1]

Thank God for purgatory! I love the idea that I will be completely cleansed before I get into heaven.

 

[deb1]

We are not garanteed salvation - we hope for salvation!

Biblical definition of “hope” is **“confident expectation.” **

The assurance regarding things that are unclear and unknown (Romans 8:24-25; Hebrews 11:1,7). NOT AS WISHFUL THINKING

The righteous who trust or put their hope in God will be helped (Psalm 28:7) and they will not be confounded, put to shame, or disappointed (Isaiah 49:23). The righteous who have this trustful hope in God have a general confidence in God’s protection and help (Jeremiah 29:11), and are free from fear and anxiety (Psalm 46:2-3).

I don’t have to go wondering with fear and anxiety if I’m saved or not.
Hope produces **joy **and **peace **in believers through the power of the Spirit (Romans 12:12, 15:13). Paul attributes his apostolic calling to the hope of eternal glory (Titus 1:1-2)

I don’t have time to go through all your verses but I will make a suggestion. Stop taking verses out of context. You are jumping around the bible picking a verse here and a verse there to support your conclusions. THe bible has to be read in context, not simply the surronding chapters but the whole book itself. Much of what you have written has different meanings when taken in context of the verse that they were written with.

I don’t have fear and anxiety either. I am pretty certain that I would know if I was in mortal sin. That doesn’t mean that I can take my faith for granted. I have to constantly work on myself as a Christian. I LIKE that Catholics aknowledge that one could loose their salvation. I don’t find it at all anxiety producing.

 

[Mommyof02green]

I said “I don’t know”

Sure I know what I want God to say “Heaven”.

However, it’s not my say. It is HIS say.

God decides who’s in (Heaven) or who’s out (Hell); or if the person just needs some scrubbing to learn what it really means to let God work in your life. To really learn what it means not to walk in the flesh and to walk with HIM (Purgatory) before coming in (Heaven).

So I’ll leave it in God’s Hands!

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change and the courage to change the things I can.

I can’t change God’s choices and decisions!
However I can change my choices and decisions!

I’ll work on me; I’ll work on walking with HIM and not in the flesh and leave him to decide what the out come is….

 

[julebenn]

I used to believe in Once saved, always saved and I found it an imprisoning belief. It weighed on my soul like a heavy weight. Thank God(Not using his name in vain) I no longer believe this.

I like to think logically not emotionally. When I read the bible, I read verses that said that nothing unclean can come into heaven. Well, despite a rather emotional salvation experience, I still sin and am highly tempted to do so.

I also knew Christians who appeared very, very religious but fell away. My fellow Baptist always said that this was because these people were never Christian to begin with.

This bothered me.

If they could fall away then so could I. If I still had doubts, was I really saved to begin with?

Thank God(Again, not taking his name in vain) I now believe that I have to work in conjunction with the Holy Spirit.

Are you not dead to** SIN ? **We are new creations in Christ. (Galatians 5:22-23). Remember it is what Christ has done for us not what we must do. Christianity, faith in Christ, teaches that we do certain things and stop doing certain things BECAUSE of what Christ has done for us. I count myseld dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Sin is not my master.

We all do things that are displeasing to GOD , which makes us deserving of punishment. “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

 

[deb1]

Are you not dead to** SIN ? **We are new creations in Christ. (Galatians 5:22-23).

I still sin. But yes, Catholics believe that Baptism does remove original sin.

Remember it is what Christ has done for us not what we must do.

I agree, in the sense that on my own I could never attain salvation. Yet the act of even having faith is a work. You do do something when accepting Jesus as your savior simply by the the decision to accept him. If we had to do nothing to obtain salvation then we wouldn’t even have to accept him as our savior.

Christianity, faith in Christ, teaches that we do certain things and stop doing certain things BECAUSE

of what Christ has done for us. I count myseld dead to sin

but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Sin is not my master.

We all do things that are displeasing to GOD

, which makes us deserving of punishment. “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

I’m confused. Didn’t you just contradict yourself. You said that as a Christian you are dead to sin but then you say that you do things which are displeasing to God. Maybe we are using different definitions for sin. To me, sinning means doing things displeasing to God. So I read what you are writing as saying, I am dead to sin but I still sin. That doesn’t make any sense.

 

[julebenn]

I don’t have fear and anxiety either. I am pretty certain that I would know if I was in mortal sin. That doesn’t mean that I can take my faith for granted. I have to constantly work on myself as a Christian. I LIKE that Catholics aknowledge that one could loose their salvation. I don’t find it at all anxiety producing.

I’m unfamiliar with the concept of mortal and venial sin.

(James 2:10) “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.”

Even if I unintentionally commit a sin I’m guilty of breaking the entire law. In the same way, it doesn’t matter if a person commits one small sin or several huge ones. The result is the same…the person is guilty of breaking God’s law. And the Lord declares that He will not leave the guilty unpunished (Nahum 1:3).

The Bible clearly teaches that the payment for sin is not found in or based upon the actions of the sinner.

For Christ also died for sins once for all, *the * just for *the *unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

I guess your concepts of mortal and venial sin place responsibility to gain God’s forgiveness for a given transgression in the hand’s of the offender, and committing a mortal sin is that it removes eternal life from the offender.
Then God will grant you again eternal life through repentance and good works.

The Bible says Once a person has placed their faith in Christ for forgiveness of sins and eternal life, the Bible teaches that that person is eternally secure…he cannot be lost.

when I or someone commits sin, the forgiveness of God in Christ is already present and, although the believer may experience self-inflicted consequences of sin, the removal of God’s love and forgiveness is never in gone. In Romans 7:14-25, Paul clearly states that the believer will struggle with sin throughout his earthly existence, but that Christ will save us from this body of death. And “therefore there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

 

[guanophore]

I know I’d go to hell. I have treated many people very badly and to top it off slept with a married women and ruined their marriage.

I have not been to confession because I need to fulfill RCIA first as I was baptized but nothing past that.

I just hope God allows me to make it so I can take first communion and confess all I have done.

Thiis a ridiculous conclusion! Who told you that?! Any Christian, Catholic or not, may receive the sacrament of reconciliaiton. Furthermore, an RCIA candidate cannot complete RCIA withouth the sacrament. Furthermore, your teachers should have told you that the SOONEST you can partake of the sacrament when you become aware of serious sins, you should do so. You must make this confession BEFORE communion! Your post is very old,so hopefully this is all straighted out by now.

 

[deb1]

The Bible says Once a person has placed their faith in Christ for forgiveness of sins and eternal life, the Bible teaches that that person is eternally secure…he cannot be lost.

when I or someone commits sin, the forgiveness of God in Christ is already present and, although the believer may experience self-inflicted consequences of sin, the removal of God’s love and forgiveness is never in gone. In Romans 7:14-25, Paul clearly states that the believer will struggle with sin throughout his earthly existence, but that Christ will save us from this body of death. And “therefore there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

Honestly, I have read the New Testament through both as a Protestant and a Catholic and I just do not see what you so clearly believe is written there. I see a host of verses that contradicts OSAS. I’m afraid though that you and I might accidentally derail this thread. Could you start a new thread on this subject? I am very bad at creating thread titles so if you can begin one, I would appreciate it.

 

[julebenn]

Honestly, I have read the New Testament through both as a Protestant and a Catholic and I just do not see what you so clearly believe is written there. I see a host of verses that contradicts OSAS. I’m afraid though that you and I might accidentally derail this thread. Could you start a new thread on this subject? I am very bad at creating thread titles so if you can begin one, I would appreciate it.

I’m afraid I’m out of time. Thank you for your reply’s.
Since you beleve you can lose your salvation I only hope
that you have it, gain it, or earn it before he calls you home. Or if I’m wrong I hope to have done the same. Some day I hope we can all sit back and giggle about our diffrences.

God Bless! and thanks again.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Why did you answer how you did?
How do you know you are right?
If you don’t know, do you care?
If you don’t know, will you try and find out?

I would have stated it something like…“No, I believe I’d go to Purgatory” for example.

Aside from that, no, I don’t believe I’d go to hell. I believe the Lord would deliver me from eternal torment and lead me into his beautific vision.

 

[a_priori]

I have no idea. But I DO know one thing:

“Though he slay me, I will hope in Him.” Job 13:15