If you ran this country poll..

[michaelmac]

Hi all, if i ran the country there would be no church schools ,because all children should be treated the same ,religions are not going to like this, they have only there selves to blame as they spawn bigotry , and people should be allowed to have children if they want, my reason for this is i have too many friends who have been hurt by ninions from different religions ,and the hirarchys of these religions have treated my friends , like some thing that should be flushed down the toilet, yours michaelmac

 

[Flopfoot]

Liberalsaved:

And I could also note that you firmly beleive anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. That’s just not the way I live my life, and I’m sorry if that offends someone’s spiritual life. I really am. But if you truly find that attitude wrong, then you really are living in the wrong place.

So, you don’t believe that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

Hence, you believe that sometimes when people disagree with you, they are right.

If they are right, and they disagree with you, that makes you wrong.

How could you think that what you think is wrong?

If you thought that you were wrong about something then you wouldn’t think that thing, you would think the opposite (or at least different) to that thing. You can never think that what you think is wrong for more than a split second, it just doesn’t logically work.

I think that is why Blindsheep posted those smileys.

The other possible reason is that, jsut after saying you don’t think that people who disagree with you are wrong, you sort of said that Blindsheep is wrong (or at least, ‘living in the wrong place’) hence sort of contradicting what you just said.

After all, so if someone does believe that everyone who disagrees with them is wrong, what are you going to do? Kick them out of the country?

By the way, another thing to consider. You talk about things that don’t affect you. Yet I also know that you seem very patriotic and so you would care about what happens to your country - and anyway, in the long run, what affects your country will affect you. When your fellow citizens are killed even though they are completely innocent, this affects your country and hence you. When your country allows a practice that disregards the value of human life, this means your country disregards the value of human life, which is likely to affect you.

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Michaelmac, one of the rules on this forum is that you must respect the religion of others (especially the Catholic religion since this is a Catholic forum). Saying that all religions spawn bigotry is a breach of this rule.

 

[michaelmac]

Flopfoot, in Europe where i live we have had riots , because of religious intolerance, how do you alter this if you dont talk about it ,we have had murders because of the same intolerance ,when members of a religiom say the murder of a mother of ten is not a crime and the hirarchy of that religion say nothing or does nothing , to expel those members it sends a clear messege religious intolerance is fine yours michaelmac

 

[carol_marie]

michaelmac:

Flopfoot, in Europe where i live we have had riots , because of religious intolerance, how do you alter this if you dont talk about it ,we have had murders because of the same intolerance ,when members of a religiom say the murder of a mother of ten is not a crime and the hirarchy of that religion say nothing or does nothing , to expel those members it sends a clear messege religious intolerance is fine yours michaelmac

Michaelmac,
How tragic that a mother of ten (or anyone for that matter) could be murdered and yet no one speaks up and says that is terrible and goes against what God would want of us. The truth is though, is that there are bad people in all religions. It’s what happens when people are left in charge. Jesus picked 12 men and yet one of them betrayed even Him. Why would it be any different today?

Having said that, the vast majority of Christians are sincere people just trying to do their best to live the sort of lives that would be pleasing to God. I noticed that in your profile you say that you are a Christian without a Church and I get the sense that you are sad about this? Have you tried praying to God & asking Him to heal your heart and lead you to a place where you can worship Him? That’s what I did and He led me to the Catholic Church.

At any rate, I am happy that you post here. Maybe you will come to see that as Catholics we love God and hopefully extend that love to others as well regardless of their beliefs.

CM

 

[MikeinSD]

BlindSheep:

Do you mean homosexuality, or homosexual sex?

He likely meant homosexuality. That way good Christians can get their hands on gay men’s money and property. The Lord helps those who help themselves…to…

 

[michaelmac]

Hi carol marie, thank you for you reply, we in England have had to put up with the religious intolerance from both sides in Northen Ireland,the hirarchys of the different faiths could do more to stop the intolerance yours michaelmac

 

[ComradeAndrei]

Flopfoot, in Europe where i live we have had riots , because of religious intolerance, how do you alter this if you dont talk about it ,we have had murders because of the same intolerance ,when members of a religiom say the murder of a mother of ten is not a crime and the hirarchy of that religion say nothing or does nothing , to expel those members it sends a clear messege religious intolerance is fine yours michaelmac

You have riots in Europe because Europe has rejected its Catholic heritage and has overwhelmingly adopted secularism. Now, you allow Muslims to migrate en masse into Europe when once the bulwark of Christendom kept them at bay. It isn’t a matter of “intolerance”, it is a matter of not having the guts to stand up for what is right and allow some trouble makers to run rampant and get away with it all.

I believe it was G. K. Chesterton who said said something to the effect of tolerance being the virtue of a man without convictions.

Hi carol marie, thank you for you reply, we in England have had to put up with the religious intolerance from both sides in Northen Ireland,the hirarchys of the different faiths could do more to stop the intolerance yours michaelmac

Quite frankly, the folks that are still doing the shooting and bombing aren’t going to listen to any priest, bishop or pastor. The Catholic Church does not condone the actions taken by the “Catholic” side of the N. Ireland conflicts and I doubt that the Anglicans or whoever condone what the “protestant” side does either.

Do not buy into the political correct mantra of “tolerance” because while genuine tolerance is laudable, bending over backwards to appease error is just cowardice. We can live in peace to the degree that we don’t need to kill each other over our religious disagreements, but that doesn’t mean that this peace makes null and void the Truth.

We can live amongst protestants, atheists, pagans, etc. without doing them harm but that does not mean that we count them all as equal “truths”.

 

[michaelmac]

Hi ComradeAndrie our government has appesed those who brake our laws and made a mockery of our justice system, and your last comment fuels religous hatered yours michaelmac ps look at your comment from any angle and you will see im right

 

[BlindSheep]

Liberalsaved:

Wow, this proves how much better than me you are! Way to go, man!

That’s not what I was trying to say. Flopfoot seems to have understood what I meant… And I’m not a man.

 

[Libero]

Hi carol marie, thank you for you reply, we in England have had to put up with the religious intolerance from both sides in Northen Ireland,the hirarchys of the different faiths could do more to stop the intolerance yours michaelmac

I know!!

That was something that I never understood/ still do not understand?

Why does the church not do something? The Protestant and Catholic bishops in Norhtern Ireland should take a united stance to combat all of this unecessary violence, if I were the bishop in Northern Ireland, I would be out there with my Protestant counterpart condemning any Christian who engages in these riots - why don’t they do something?

 

[Liberalsaved]

Flopfoot:

So, you don’t believe that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

Hence, you believe that sometimes when people disagree with you, they are right.

If they are right, and they disagree with you, that makes you wrong.

How could you think that what you think is wrong?

I ignored the rest of your post, so forgive me, but let me say “Only a Sith deals in absolutes” (that makes me out to be more of a Star Wars geek than I am…) I said that someone disagreeing with me does not inherently make them wrong. It doesn’t mean I agree with them, it means they have a right to do what they want as long as it harms no one. And to think what they want. As long as it forces those thoughts on no one. I’m not going to try and force the Church to accept abortions or gay marriages, but likewise churchgoers should not try to force the state not to accept them. Really, this sounds like a reasonable compromise to me. There are plenty of places where religion is law and this is not one of them.

 

[Libero]

I ignored the rest of your post, so forgive me, but let me say “Only a Sith deals in absolutes” (that makes me out to be more of a Star Wars geek than I am…) I said that someone disagreeing with me does not inherently make them wrong. It doesn’t mean I agree with them, it means they have a right to do what they want as long as it harms no one. And to think what they want. As long as it forces those thoughts on no one. I’m not going to try and force the Church to accept abortions or gay marriages, but likewise churchgoers should not try to force the state not to accept them. Really, this sounds like a reasonable compromise to me. There are plenty of places where religion is law and this is not one of them.

I am always using the absolutes line!!!

 

[Liberalsaved]

Libero:

I am always using the absolutes line!!!

hides from emoticon onslaught

 

[ComradeAndrei]

Hi ComradeAndrie our government has appesed those who brake our laws and made a mockery of our justice system, and your last comment fuels religous hatered yours michaelmac ps look at your comment from any angle and you will see im right

Well, I believe that the Catholic Church has the fullness of Truth, thus all other religions only have at most some small portion of Truth. As Jesus said, “If the world hates you, realize it has hated me first.”

Second, your last comment fuels “religious hatred” because it tries to impose your values on me. Furthermore, and I admit this may be my person bias, I can’t take anyone seriously that poor typing skills and a inferior grasp of punctuation and grammar skills.

Regardless of the subjective issues, I’m not buying into moral relativism. I disagree that you are “right” and it is certainly not obvious from any angle that you are right.

 

[BlindSheep]

Liberalsaved:

it means they have a right to do what they want as long as it harms no one.

Ah, but that’s just the point. Abortion harms someone.

 

[michaelmac]

Comrade Andrie not all people have the proper grammer skills , some through no fault of their own, and i happen to be one of these people, and i dont claim to be superior , if we were having this debate in front of people not like we are doing online , i would wipe the floor with your comment only the Catholic church has the truth, to be able to know that you have to be able to read Gods mind , if Christ came again today and said the church does not have the truth , people like the Pope would ask for him to be put in a nut house,yours michaelmac

 

[ComradeAndrei]

Comrade Andrie not all people have the proper grammer skills , some through no fault of their own, and i happen to be one of these people, and i dont claim to be superior

Hence my disclaimer about that being a possible bias of my own. Since we are posting on an internet forum, the only thing a person has to go on is the typed message the other person posts. Thus, if one wishes to use an internet forum, I’ve always considered it prudent to at least use acceptable punctuation and capitalization and decent spelling. This isn’t an English grammer class, but it does help to get your point across more effectively. For all I know from your post, you could be some 12 yr. old punk kid.

if we were having this debate in front of people not like we are doing online , i would wipe the floor with your comment only the Catholic church has the truth

A little presuptuous are we?

to be able to know that you have to be able to read Gods mind,

I reject your unfounded assertion. The Church is the pilar and foundation of the Truth. We don’t have to “know the mind of God” nor are we even able to. However, God has deigned to reveal to us His plan of Salvation. However, for you to assert that we think that we claim to “know the mind of God” sounds like typical universalist banter.

if Christ came again today and said the church does not have the truth , people like the Pope would ask for him to be put in a nut house,yours michaelmac

Hmm…not likely in either case. Did you ape that out of Dostoyevsky’s “The Legend of the Grand Inquisitor”? While that is a cute romanticised way of firing propaganda volleys toward the Church, it proves nothing.

Dare I say that now you are being the one who thinks he can “know the mind of God”. How do you know that Christ would say that the Catholic Church is wrong if He came back?

The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ and He promised that the gates of Hell will never prevail against the Church. Thus, it is completely sound for a Catholic to say that the Church alone has the Fullness of Truth.

 

[michaelmac]

Hi ComradeAndrei before you try to insult some one i suggest you read the good Samaritian , till your like the Good Samaritian you will never be a Christian yours michaelmac

 

[michaelmac]

Hi ComradeAndrei the Catholic church does a better job than i , in shooting it self in the foot or head, after reading the Good Samaritian ,tell me how many of the hirarchy of the church can claim to be Christian , I question every thing to find out the truth . I read and ask questions , I have a problem with trust because of my childhood , so I question every thing yours michaelmac ps I did not get an EDUCATION like most people so im learning all the time

 

[Flopfoot]

Being like the Good Samaritan is not what makes you Christian, although it is one of the things that makes you a good Christian.

Anyway, the Catholic Church has done tons of charitable work in the world, we are helping hundreds of thousands of needy people all the time, just look at Catholic charities like St Vincent De Paul, and Catholic hospitals and etc. Not to mention, that assisting people spiritually as well as physically is also a service to our neighbour.

Hence, most of the heirarchy of the Church and certainly the Church as a whole is in fact like the Good Samaritan.

(not to say that we are the only ones - there are plenty of non-Catholics who are also like the good Samaritan).