If you were starting RCIA knowing what you know now, what would you go back and tell yourself?

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Recently God spoke to me. I’m sure being Catholic you believe in miracles. I heard a very distinctive voice say to me “You need to get to know me, get to know my people.” Ever since then, I have been studying Catholisism non-stop like an obsession. Spending hours in the Catholic Encyclopidia, EWTN constantly, joined this site etc. I got to the point where the only thing left is to join RCIS which I have now joind my local Parish and signed up. I will be starting soon. I am very exited, I started looking at monastaries and my mom told me “why don’t you just go to mass for a while and see how you like it.”

My question is this. If you could go back and tell yourself something, give yourself a piece of advice when you first started RCIA what would it be? Knowing what you know now, what would you tell yourself to pay attention to and/or ask about?

If anyone has any stories about their conversion or if you were born it it, the time when you realized the miracle of your faith, I would ask that you please share. [BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
 
My suggestion is to read the well known books about the Saints; Therese of Lisieux, Augustine, Padre Pio, Francis de Sales, etc; If you pick one up that is hard or disturbing, put it aside the time will come when you will be ready for it. Try another. For myself I find St. Teresa of Avila difficult. The thing is, the saints are our role models. They show us how ordinary people became holy and lived their lives for God. The stories of such lives give us inspiration and courage, which is a must for a life lived daily for Our Lord. There are also some little books available that have a saint for each day of the year with a short writing. By reading one of those you can pique your interest in the saints you may want to learn more about. Reading about the saints has been a great help for me in my Catholic journey. My personal favorites are Padre Pio, Therese of Lisieux , John Vianney, and Francis de Sales.
 
Normally, I would say that it would be that the people teaching RCIA are only giving you a taste of Catholicism. It is hard to cram 2000+ year of Christian history into a few months, so the teachers really need to be concise. However, it sounds like you are way ahead of the curve when it comes to learning about the faith, so I wouldn’t worry about. I would advise you to schedule some time to spend with the catechists so you can ask more in-dept questions.

Of all the great things that Catholicism is, it is not a faith that hands you answers on a plate. There is a great deal of prayer and self study involved. This is a great place to go for explanations. If you find conflicting answers to a question, keep looking until you have found the answer that you feel is most in-line with everything else you have learned.

I was baptized Catholic as a baby, but I did not realize my faith until I was in my 30’s. I found a bumper sticker for Catholic Radio on a car and tuned in. I heard the truth about my faith and that was all it took. Best thing that ever happened to me.

God bless you and welcome home!
 
Recently God spoke to me. I’m sure being Catholic you believe in miracles. I heard a very distinctive voice say to me “You need to get to know me, get to know my people.” Ever since then, I have been studying Catholisism non-stop like an obsession. Spending hours in the Catholic Encyclopidia, EWTN constantly, joined this site etc. I got to the point where the only thing left is to join RCIS which I have now joind my local Parish and signed up. I will be starting soon. I am very exited, I started looking at monastaries and my mom told me “why don’t you just go to mass for a while and see how you like it.”

My question is this. If you could go back and tell yourself something, give yourself a piece of advice when you first started RCIA what would it be? Knowing what you know now, what would you tell yourself to pay attention to and/or ask about?

If anyone has any stories about their conversion or if you were born it it, the time when you realized the miracle of your faith, I would ask that you please share. [BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
I believe that the Lord spoke audibly to you. I was once blessed with hearing Him speak an answer to a prayer to me. How wonderful that He singled you out to speak to. It removes any doubts of His reality, doesn’t it? I was a cradle Catholic who attended Catholic elementary school, and later a Catholic university. I always found myself attracted to learning my faith. I am now an advanced senior citizen, and continue to love learning more of God’s plans for us. The only advice I can offer as you enter RCIA is to listen and study with full attention, and ask whatever questions come to you. If you are doing independent reading, write down anything that in any way confuses you, and ask the questions in class. All will benefit from your asking. You’ll find that you can spend a lifetime learning about God, and never know enough. Don’t worry. You’ll have all of eternity to continue your quest. Let me wish you all the best as you enter the Catholic Church.
 
I would tell myself: “Why didn’t you do this sooner?”

I converted from the Baptist faith when I was approx. 27 yrs old.

I would have loved to have been exposed to the Catholic faith prior to that time; I would’ve converted in a heartbeat!

As it was, I attended a Catholic mass once or twice at age 27, heard the words: “This is my Body; this is my Blood”, and was conviced right away! I started the conversion process shortly after.
 
I’m a convert from Judaism. I was converted by St. Francis of Assisi. I had been educated by Capuchin Franciscans. Their love for their spiritual father and their fidelity to him caused me to become curious about this man.

I was very short as a teenager. I went to the school library and asked for a book on St. Francis. The librarian pointed out the shelves. I never realized that there have been several thousand books written about him. :eek: But all the good ones were high and I couldn’t reach. I pulled one that I could reach, The Perfect Joy of St. Francis.

As I read it I understood Jesus Christ, his nature, his incarnation and his passion. I understood how they were interrelated and spoke about God’s love for me. I also saw that, in some ways, the world in which Francis lived was worse than our world today, as much as we complain. The sins of many Churchmen make today’s sins look boring. They just didn’t have news papers and internet back then. By the time you read about the problems, they were 100 years old, unless you lived in the same place.

But what impressed me was that Francis was so moved by the mystery of the Incarnation and the Passion that the sins of the clergy and lay Catholics around him were llike water falling on a slicker. In other words, he saw the Church as the bride of Christ and by extension he loved the bride as much as he loved the groom.

He never condoned nor publicly denounced the sins of the clergy and the laity. He denounced sin, without mentioning who. More importantly, he did a great deal of penance for his sins and the sins of others. He preached trust in God’s mercy. He was convinced that God would have mercy on sinners, even those within the Church. It was just a matter of “loving Love” as he said.

Penance to him was more than not eating meat on Fridays or fasting at certain times. He saw those as an external sign of an internal change. Penance was to give whatever God takes and receive whatever he gives with great gratitude and trust. This is not an easy thing to do, because we all like to feel in control. This requires that we become totally poor. We not only give up material things, but we give up the thing that we treasure the most, our desire to control.

When you’re looking at the Catholic faith, by all means study the history, doctrine, the moral laws, the disciplines and the rituals. However, do not forget to read about the ascetical life. Even cradle Catholics often forget that saints don’t get to heaven because of everything they know about the faith. Some knew very little. Saints get to heaven by their ascetical life. They take the faith and the turn it into a way of doing things, a way of seeing the world, a way of interacting with others, a way of keeping one’s peace and inner silence even in the middle of crisis and sin, a way of praying and a way of loving God and neighbor.

Ask you RCIA instructor if you can have a class or two on ascetical theology. If he cannot do it, then I would suggest that you read a few books.

The Perfect Joy of St. Francis by Felix Timmermans

Introduction to the Devout Life by Francis de Sales

The Way of Perfection by Teresa of Avila (Not the Interior Castle. That’s very high for a beginner).

Come be My Light – Mother Teresa

Immitation of Christ – Kempis

Saint Gianna Molla: Wife, Mother, Doctor by Pietro Molla, Elio Guerriero , James G. Colbert

The story of St. Gianna is one that inspires every modern layperson. She was the typical woman of today, surrounded by the same world, conflicted with the same choices, committed to the same duties: marriage, motherhood and career. It shows Catholicism in action in our contemporary world. Don’t look for miracles in this book. There aren’t any. The purpose of this book is to record her holiness, not God’s Glory manifested through miracles. The real focus is on how to become holy while living in an unholy world.

Again, ask your teacher if he or she can cover the basics of ascetical theology and if not, you can extrapolate a lot from these readings. Without the ascetical life, Catholic religious education is incomplete. It was the ascetical life that did it for me. It brought the concepts, rituals and laws into real life situations. They were not just things that you believed, did or avoided doing. There was more to it. Catholicism was about a way of living. I came to understand why St. Francis called it “Perfect Joy”. If one lives the ascetical life, one will always find at least one single thing that will bring joy into your life.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I love hearing the stories about how people came to faith. I plan on coming with an open heart.

Another question I have is, how much of the Priest’s time should you feel ok to take as someone who is not a confirmed Catholic? Though I am a Parish member, I want to be mindful of their time. It’s a large parish, a Basilica so I know they are busy.
 
JR- thank you for sharing your profound experience with us!

I was raised by a Baptist mother and Catholic dad. Even though Dad didn’t attend mass, he loved the Church. In 1942 when you married a “heathen”, that was the end of being a true part of the Church. When my daughter was born, I felt a very strong pull to join the Church! I know my Dad (already with the angels) is smiling! That was 26 years ago. My daughter attended Catholic school and graduated from a Jesuit university and is now at a Catholic Law School. I help out with Confirmation at our Parish. I look forward to Mass every week. This weekend I’m in Chicago and had the opportunity to attend mass at the Cathedral of the Holy Names - they have done a wonderful job on the restoration and is so different than our newer churches on the West Coast. While in London in November, we attended at Westminister Cathedral and loved their liturgy. t age 58 I’m still learning about the Church and our Faith every single day - I will pray that your journey is as happy as mine has been!😉
 
I love hearing the stories about how people came to faith. I plan on coming with an open heart.

Another question I have is, how much of the Priest’s time should you feel ok to take as someone who is not a confirmed Catholic? Though I am a Parish member, I want to be mindful of their time. It’s a large parish, a Basilica so I know they are busy.
Just go and ask for an appointment. Talk to him. At the end, ask if you can return. He’ll tell you when he can fit you in. It’s easy.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I would do some investigation on my own and talk to a typical graduate and ask a few simple questions related to the current issues in our culture.
  1. First, I would see how many show up for sacrament of penance in any one week. You can enter the chruch to pray for the first 10 minutes for the posted time confession is available. This will give you an idea how catholic the parish is. Is there a statue of Mary in the church? Is the rosary recited as a group once per week by all age groups?
  2. Second, I would ask a recent graduate of the RCIA program, one that you can trust by the way, if contraception was a major topic in the program (current day crisis issue). There are other major current-day topics but this one is an example of an issue that is often dropped. When it is dropped, it is a clear sign this program has issues.
  3. Third, I would determine if any of Pope Benedict’s exhortations, encyclicals, books, or other material is part of the program.
  4. Are traditional devotions reviewed.
  5. Are the deacons or priests of the parish dircectly involved and meet regularly with the class?
These are a few items that will make it clear if the program has been corrupted or is reasonable for faith formation.

Many RCIA programs are seriously comprimised. I know mine was.
 
if contraception was a major topic in the program (current day crisis issue). There are other major current-day topics but this one is an example of an issue that is often dropped. When it is dropped, it is a clear sign this program has issues.

And I could find this out from a recent graduate?
  1. Are traditional devotions reviewed.
You mean by a Priest?

These are a few items that will make it clear if the program has been corrupted or is reasonable for faith formation.

I just went to the one closest to my house. The Basicilica of St Mary’s (If we are allowed to say names) I guess they say they are America’s 1st Basilica. Anyway, I figured they would be good. I plan on going there either way but I will visit other Parishes in case something is not right with the RCIA program at St Mary’s. I assumed the Archdiocies kept those things pretty well regulated but doing your own due dillegence is always advisable.

Many RCIA programs are seriously comprimised. I know mine was.
I sensed that in your post. Were you able to find the things that were missed by indepentent study? With a Priest?

Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. I hope you are happy with your Parish now.[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
 
Honestly… with my RCIA group my advice to me would have been: See if there’s another way. Don’t take RCIA it’s just going to frustrate you.

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BUT your RCIA group might be better. ASK QUESTIONS. And continue to study on your own. Do not expect your RCIA group to be informed. Don’t expect them to know nothing either but definitely know that you’ll probably need to do study on your own outside of RCIA.

That’s the only advice I can give. Good luck!!! I hope you get a good group.
 
My biggest advice is enjoy the journey. Don’t get too hung up on what is being taught and what isn’t. Remember that everyone in the group is on a different place in their own journey and reaching everyone at the same time is a challenge. Also remember that RCIA isn’t all about “book learning” it is a formation process.

RCIA groups range from very conservative and/or orthodox to not so much to somewhere in between. If you hang around these forums very long at all, you will hear plenty of horror stories, don’t get hung up on these too much. If the classes are teaching things totally contradictory to the church, by all means, find a new one, but if it is just not covering things as in depth as you would like, than take what you can from the class and learn on your own.
 
Of all the great things that Catholicism is, it is not a faith that hands you answers on a plate. There is a great deal of prayer and self study involved. !
If I ever have mugs or T-shirts made for our RCIA participants this will be the message on it, thanks, so very true

the 3 biggest things I would like to see participants do to grow faster–Ask Questions, Ask Questions, Ask Questions
 
I would go back and tell myself to take it easy. Somehow I felt that I needed to learn everything that was presented to me and more. In my desire to gain knowledge, I shortchanged the process of getting to know those who were journeying with me.

For me, my going-back message would be “moderation in all things.”

I was confirmed April 18, 2010 - the happiest day of my life. Come home!

P.S. I’m getting to know my fellow journeyers now. Better late than never, and a lesson well-learned. 👍
 
Am I missing something? I see what everyone is saying and it’s good. But I can help seeing that ascetical and mystical theology are not being mentioned as essential to good catechetical formation. Why is that?

I really am curious. Is it a given that it’s going to be taught? Is its importance not understood?
In my experience, this is the one area of Catholic studies that is neglected and yet the most practical area of theology, because it brings all of our faith and morals into daily life by guiding our life of prayer, penance, on-going conversion, virtue, grace, contemplation, charity, and more.

If you teach dogmas, morals and social teachings, but you don’t tie it together to show how it is lived, then you are missing an important element. This is one of the great contribtutions that Teresa of Avila made to the Church. In her book The Way of Perfection and Francis de Sales in Introducgtion to the Devout Life draw the map on how to live all of these dogmas and moral teachings on a daily basis. Their teachings and others like them are an essential component of catechesis. These constitute what is known as either Ascetical and Mystical Theology or Spiritual Theology, depending on which graduate school you attend. That’s not important. The content is.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m going to be baptized and confirmed at Easter, and I my advice is to not to be in a rush. When I first started, I wanted to be baptized that weekend, I was SO excited to be called to God and finally answer that call. I’ve found though that it’s a relationship that grows slowly, and each week I’m progressively more amazed by it. I feel like the first time I receive Communion will be so much more powerful BECAUSE we have to wait, and learn, and look forward to it. And then, if we are ready to be part of this family for eternity, we go forward and receive our Lord for the first time as the Eucharist.

So, my only advice is to not be in a rush to learn all the info ASAP, as a lot of it takes time to sink in.
 
As a cradle Catholic, I was baptized in the '50’s, attended Catholic schools and received the Sacraments of Penance, Holy Communion and Confirmation in the '60’s and '70’s. I was married in the Church in the '80’s.

My experience here at Catholic Answers forums motivated me to audit an RCIA program in my diocese. I have attended weekly sessions for several months. My classmates will graduate later this year.

I think those considering starting RCIA would benefit from a bit of preparation. They would do well to read the Bible (again) beginning with the Gospels and progressing through Acts, the Epistles and the balance of the New Testament before starting the OT. Writings (and biographies) of the first- and second-century Church Fathers would likewise be beneficial. A review of the first seven Ecumenical Councils will help students understand some of the challenges that were faced by the early Church.

It is essential that those who wish to call themselves “Catholic” understand who we are and where we came from. Naturally, it would be good if some if this material was incorporated into the RCIA program.
 
I was baptised and confirmed in 1998 and I would say to myself:

Give alms and do good works. When work and study pressures got too much I stopped these. This always led to my ceasing to pray and a drying up of faith.

Pray through any doubts. I had a long standing relunctance to pray the rosary. Eventually I prayed the rosary to ask for Faith and understanding and I was given them (in the required measure at least), I haven’t looked back. The Church has shown me so many truths that I was blind to by myself that I am so grateful to Her. Nowadays if I disagree with anything the Church teaches I accept it, pray and wait hopefully for greater understanding.

Find likeminded Catholic groups to support you. I have been most fervent when I’ve spent time talking and praying with other people who are trying hard to be good Christians.
 
Wow, people have brought up excellent points. The RCIA course at mt local parish will be concluding this Easter. I am waiting to see if I can still be let in with individual study of course. What I wonder is, the Church says if we die not in the Catholic faith, we go to hell but the Chhurch makes it less than easy to come into the fold as a full member to be confessed etc. It would seem to be somwhat contradictory to say you must study all this BEFORE we ALLOW you to become Catholic, however if God forbid some kind of accident happend and you pass unconfirmed and unconfessed, the hellfire awaits you. I would think there would be a sort of lesser membership to at least say OK, you’re one of us but to recieve the full measure, you must fully understand what all this means.
I only say that because I believe in the Bible when Jesus asked his deciples to follow he just said “follow me” and it was done. DOn’t get me wrong, I’m going through the process whatever it is, I’m just thinking about if I can’t join RCIA until September, it will be over a year from now before I’m “in” the Church. I believe I need to learn patience as a part of my faith walk also submission. Thy will be done, not my will be done.

It still nags at me a little bit. I just want to be a Catholic. Can somebody help me out? I’m still on my faith walk but has anyone gone through this? Should I ask for things to study on my own?
 
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