"If you're God's Son, then why do You permit the world to be in the state it is in?"

[PJM]

“If you’re God’s Son, then why do You permit the world to be in the state it is in?”

This is the right question for LENT

God Bless you,

What does it say, or mean to you?

Patrick

 

[Wannano]

“If you’re God’s Son, then why do You permit the world to be in the state it is in?”

This is the right question for LENT

God Bless you,

What does it say, or mean to you?

Patrick

I have stared at this thread for minutes at a time for the last half hour. Between times I looked up definitions of blasphemy and read the account of Satan tempting Jesus. I honestly cannot see how this could be a right question to ask at any time of the year.

 

[dshix]

“If you’re God’s Son, then why do You permit the world to be in the state it is in?”

This is the right question for LENT

God Bless you,

What does it say, or mean to you?

Patrick

I don’t really see how this theological question has any more relevance during Lent than in any other time of year, but the answer is: Mercy.

The reason God does not just cast humanity into Hell right now is because He is merciful, and gives us the opportunity to accept His grace up until the moment of our death.

 

[Wannano]

I don’t really see how this theological question has any more relevance during Lent than in any other time of year, but the answer is: Mercy.

The reason God does not just cast humanity into Hell right now is because He is merciful, and gives us the opportunity to accept His grace up until the moment of our death.

I absolutely agree with what you wrote here, it was my first reaction too. Then looking at the question closer I see it is addressed to Jesus who will ultimately be sent by the Father to bring the end to all things in His timing. My Bible tells me that Jesus Himself does not know the day or the hour He will come. It is not His fault that the world is, has and always has been a mess.

 

[LoveMercyGrace]

looking interiorly, I asked myself this question. why do I permit the world to enter into me thus ending in the state I am in.
This Lent I am pondering what have I deeply buried that is causing such a stinch.

to more directly answer the question, perhaps the only answer that comes to mind is
God permits free will. and has allowed Satan to be the ruler of this world for allotted amount
of time.
I don’t know why God does this nor will I attempt to try answering. but interesting question op!

. remembering , this is not our home. it seems to be the place to be sanctified and becoming more holy.

 

[jimcav]

I believe it’s a matter of mans free will.

God doesn’t interfere with it. The problem is, man far to often uses his free will for bad purposes. If man used it for good, the world would not be such a mess.

 

[eddie_too]

i think this world continues for the same reason that it was created, for the salvation of souls.

if Jesus ended this world, there would no more souls to be saved.

God created so that His human creatures and His angels could share totally in His Glory.

that is why we were created. that is for what we were created.

 

[eddie_too]

perhaps the question is more concerned about the state of this world, but that seems nonsensical.

after all, the state of this world is such that the Holy Spirit is perpetually here and available. as is the Holy Eucharist. i cannot imagine a world where Their absence would make it a better world.

in addition, it is only in this world that i can attain the promise of eternal life and that alone is a good enough reason for me to praise God for allowing this world to exist as it does.

 

[jane_doe]

“If you’re God’s Son, then why do You permit the world to be in the state it is in?”

The alternative is to take away men’s free will, and that unrighteousness is something God simply refuses to do.

 

[spedteacherita]

“If you’re God’s Son, then why do You permit the world to be in the state it is in?”

This is the right question for LENT

God Bless you,

What does it say, or mean to you?

Patrick

The world is in the state it is in because of Adam and Eve’s disobedience in the Garden. God told them life was not going to be easy for them anymore - that there would be pain and hard toiling. We still live in that world and sin still exists - we still experience the consequences of their 1st sin. God can intervene if He wants for whatever reason but for those He doesn’t intervene He has a plan for something good to come from it. Deep question…

God’s peace to all!

Rita

 

[Stilldreamn]

“If you’re God’s Son, then why do You permit the world to be in the state it is in?”

This is the right question for LENT

God Bless you,

What does it say, or mean to you?

Patrick

My thoughts:

Upon encountering a blind man, the disciples asked Jesus, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.…”

Jesus himself taught us to pray, “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil”

God does not cause evil, but uses it for His glory and our strengthening and sanctification. Our suffering causes us to turn to Christ for deliverance instead of relying on our own efforts.

As our secular culture shifts away from orthodox Christian beliefs the resulting hardships will likely result in a smaller, yet purer Church Militant. This state of the world is a time of testing, not merely temptation, and observing 40 days of preparation helps to focus our minds on Christ.

 

[PJM]

I have stared at this thread for minutes at a time for the last half hour. Between times I looked up definitions of blasphemy and read the account of Satan tempting Jesus. I honestly cannot see how this could be a right question to ask at any time of the year.

Good and VALID point

Here is what I was thinking:

Lent is a TIME to reflect on our past failures; our sins. Both as individuals, as a Country and as the World.

One cannot {logically} argue that Sin; GRIEVOUS sins have now become so commonplace as to actually be legislated in many parts of the world.

Then; it is THROUGH sin, that we are able {God Willing} to be able to discern both the obvious extent of EVIL in our midst; our degree of complacency with it, and the POTENTIAL for Good.

Jesus being TEMPTED and OVERCOMING ALL of these temptations was a ROLE-MODEL experience that is meant to show us that we do not have to give in to sin; we do not have to give in to it; we cannot tolerate it, and we can with God’s help and our cooperation with His grace overcome it…

Thank you, and God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

I don’t really see how this theological question has any more relevance during Lent than in any other time of year, but the answer is: Mercy.

The reason God does not just cast humanity into Hell right now is because He is merciful, and gives us the opportunity to accept His grace up until the moment of our death.

I just expounded on this is the POST prior to this reply.

Lent is a TIME set aside by the Church for introspection. NOT that we ought not do this continuously; BUT that we advantage this time to seek and pray for solutions.

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[PJM]

I absolutely agree with what you wrote here, it was my first reaction too. Then looking at the question closer I see it is addressed to Jesus who will ultimately be sent by the Father to bring the end to all things in His timing. My Bible tells me that Jesus Himself does not know the day or the hour He will come. It is not His fault that the world is, has and always has been a mess.

THANK YOU,

The bible reference you make to Jesus NOT knowing the EXACT “End Times” is in need of clarification.

JESUS is BOTH True man and TRUE God.

As such Jesus possesses a perfect human nature & and a PERFECT Divine Nature. {Past, present and future tense}.

Jesus in the passage you reference was speaking from his human nature; while at the smae time retaining His Divine Nature; which HAS TO KNOW, as a part of the Triune God-Head… Literally everything

What I was HOPING to discuss was WHY God permitted the “state if immoral affairs” that are so predominate throughout the world in present times

God Bless you,

PJM

 

[PJM]

looking interiorly, I asked myself this question. why do I permit the world to enter into me thus ending in the state I am in.
This Lent I am pondering what have I deeply buried that is causing such a stinch.

to more directly answer the question, perhaps the only answer that comes to mind is
God permits free will. and has allowed Satan to be the ruler of this world for allotted amount
of time.
I don’t know why God does this nor will I attempt to try answering. but interesting question op!

. remembering , this is not our home. it seems to be the place to be sanctified and becoming more holy.

THANK YOU!

This is the area I was hoping to discuss.

God Bless you

Patrick

 

[PJM]

I believe it’s a matter of mans free will.

God doesn’t interfere with it. The problem is, man far to often uses his free will for bad purposes. If man used it for good, the world would not be such a mess.

AMEN!

 

[PJM]

i think this world continues for the same reason that it was created, for the salvation of souls.

if Jesus ended this world, there would no more souls to be saved.

God created so that His human creatures and His angels could share totally in His Glory.

that is why we were created. that is for what we were created.

THAT my friend is a PROFOUND refection!

Thank you & God Bless,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

perhaps the question is more concerned about the state of this world, but that seems nonsensical.

after all, the state of this world is such that the Holy Spirit is perpetually here and available. as is the Holy Eucharist. i cannot imagine a world where Their absence would make it a better world.

in addition, it is only in this world that i can attain the promise of eternal life and that alone is a good enough reason for me to praise God for allowing this world to exist as it does.

Hmmmm

You lost me here my friend

God Bless you,

PJM

 

[PJM]

The alternative is to take away men’s free will, and that unrighteousness is something God simply refuses to do.

OK … BUT?

Is that the only option?

God Bless you,

PJM

 

[PJM]

The world is in the state it is in because of Adam and Eve’s disobedience in the Garden. God told them life was not going to be easy for them anymore - that there would be pain and hard toiling. We still live in that world and sin still exists - we still experience the consequences of their 1st sin. God can intervene if He wants for whatever reason but for those He doesn’t intervene He has a plan for something good to come from it. Deep question…

God’s peace to all!

Rita

So for THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION

Does that excuse the MESS we live in?

God Bless you,

Patrick