If you've desecrated the Eucharist

[puzzleannie]

I How much of the circumstances surrounding this particular sin would have to be FAX’d to someone on the other side of the world?

the simple fact that it occured, without the penitent’s name. a phone call is made first so the authorized person alone receives and reads the fax, and sends the answer. this way is much more private and secure than any other modern method. In older times this had to mean a long wait for travel times so thank goodness for modern technology.

It does not break the seal any more than a priest calling the bishop for direction on say a marriage matter–he would simply state the bare bones of the issue, without any names, and ask for guidance, this is presuming he simply is not sure of his ground in advising the penitent in a rare case.

recall that two different events are being discussed here. the first is the actual confession, which cannot proceed until the excommunication is lifted, the second is lifting the excommunication.

 

[Kathrine]

Recall that two different events are being discussed here. The first is the actual confession, which cannot proceed until the excommunication is lifted, the second is lifting the excommunication.

Ah ok. You’re right, I was considering it a single event. I’m still a murky on the situation, but this thread makes it a little clearer.

 

[seekdatruth]

Excuse my ignorance:
What constitutes “desecration” of the Eucharist? (I can’t find specifics anywhere, pls redirect me if you must) Does that also include taking Communion when one is knowingly not worthy? Or is “excommunication” just not being allowed to take communion before being absolved, or is it a deeper, more involved consequence?

 

[JesuXPIPassio]

Excuse my ignorance:
What constitutes “desecration” of the Eucharist? (I can’t find specifics anywhere, pls redirect me if you must) Does that also include taking Communion when one is knowingly not worthy? Or is “excommunication” just not being allowed to take communion before being absolved, or is it a deeper, more involved consequence?

I hate to say this because it’s really rather vile, but it’s sort of like when people do stupid things with the Eucharist.

I heard of one TV show a few years ago where stupid kids went to a Mass without knowing anything about it, took a Host when everyone else did, and ended up flushing it down the toilet. I was told it was an NBC show (I don’t remember which; I’m only 24 but I stopped watching most new shows on TV).

Satanists and stuff are known to take the Eucharist and perform a “Black Mass,” where a naked woman would serve as the altar and a certain part of her body (I don’t wanna say what it is, but it’s not a hard guess) would serve as the tabernacle, and it would include the satanic priest having sex with the woman.

One guy claimed to attend a Mass by John Paul II and he claimed he saved the Host from it which he tried to sell on eBay. Ebay acted, but only after a couple days. The high bidder at that point was a pious man who was trying to get it just to protect it from being treated profanely. It was well over $1000 at that point.

Some stupid kid claimed to take Hosts and showed it on YouTube. I don’t know what he did; frankly, I don’t care, cause it’s just some moron trying to get attention. It’s one thing when people simply don’t care about our religion and leave us alone; it’s quite another when they pull stuff like that. YouTube was slow to act.

They’re very, very vile, very awful, though miracles that involved the Eucharist often were the result of people profaning it. Like one lady tried to take te Eucharist to a witch. Another lady took Hosts and just put them somewhere at home; the miracle was that the Hosts (since they still have the same properties of bread) should have decayed away in ten years instead were still intact and are still around now.

Aside from being banned from the Eucharist, Excommunication also puts other penalties on you. You can’t teach or serve in the Liturgy.

I wonder if simply taking the Eucharist home would be desecration. It’s improper, sure, but some people have done it for devotional purposes. Though they shouldn’t be doing that, it’s not as bad as those degenerate show-offs have tried to do like what I noted above.

 

[puzzleannie]

Excuse my ignorance:
What constitutes “desecration” of the Eucharist? (I can’t find specifics anywhere, pls redirect me if you must) Does that also include taking Communion when one is knowingly not worthy? Or is “excommunication” just not being allowed to take communion before being absolved, or is it a deeper, more involved consequence?

no, that is not what we are speaking of.
desecration has been described above, read carefully
it means exactly what it says, taking or stealing the Eucharistic species for the express purpose of committing an act of descecration, damaging, attacking, despoiling. the news story floating around on utube a couple of months ago is an example. stealing hosts for satanic rituals is another. Uncatechised persons who assist with liturgy are guilty of this frequently when they improperly handle the sacred species, but are not guilty unless and until they have been properly taught. If an ordained person does this they are also subject to other penalties included removal from their ministry.

 

[AHapka]

I wonder if simply taking the Eucharist home would be desecration. It’s improper, sure, but some people have done it for devotional purposes. Though they shouldn’t be doing that, it’s not as bad as those degenerate show-offs have tried to do like what I noted above.

This would probably not be a mortal sin for most such people since they wish to praise God, but do such out of ignorance.

Their motive here means that they lack the knowledge necessary for it to be a mortal sin, in my opinion.

However, it should be discussed with their confessor to properly determine their status.

 

[sbriton]

What if you’ve willfully desecrated the Eucharist knowing it was the body of Christ and you would be excommunicated? Does the priest really have to go to the Bishop and ask permission to absolve the person of their sin and lift the excommunication? If so, why is this? How do they get around the seal of Confession? And more importantly, what if said person prefers to remain anonymous. (Behind the screen as it were)

Does this include receiving Communion while in a state of mortal sin? If so, I’ve been guilty of this a number of times. I have had priests tell me that the sin is an addiction and so my culpability has been reduced. The priest has always absolved me of all my sins during Confession. Never was it mentioned I have been excommunicated!

Simon

 

[bilop]

Does this include receiving Communion while in a state of mortal sin? If so, I’ve been guilty of this a number of times. I have had priests tell me that the sin is an addiction and so my culpability has been reduced. The priest has always absolved me of all my sins during Confession. Never was it mentioned I have been excommunicated!

Simon

No, that is a mortal sin, but not excommunicable.

Desecrating the Eucharist means physically doing something unholy with it, not just receiving unworthily.

God Bless

 

[JEANNIEMAC]

What if you’ve willfully desecrated the Eucharist knowing it was the body of Christ and you would be excommunicated? Does the priest really have to go to the Bishop and ask permission to absolve the person of their sin and lift the excommunication? If so, why is this? How do they get around the seal of Confession? And more importantly, what if said person prefers to remain anonymous. (Behind the screen as it were)

A child puts the Holy Eucharist in their pocket, intending to make their own home altar. The mother finds crumbs in the child’s pocket and throws them away while the child watches, not knowing what to do. This happened, What is the child’s sin? If any?

 

[Allen537]

A child puts the Holy Eucharist in their pocket, intending to make their own home altar. The mother finds crumbs in the child’s pocket and throws them away while the child watches, not knowing what to do. This happened, What is the child’s sin? If any?

If the child didn’t understand that what he/she did was wrong , then the child would not be culpable of Mortal Sin.

And regarding excommunication, you really have to go out of your way to incur an excommunication. Not only must the sin be mortal, but you must, in most cases, understand the penalties for that sin (you have to know that you can be excommunicated for a particular action). And since I don’t know of any children, and even most adults, who have that kind of knowledge of Canon Law, excommunication should not be a concern.

In regard to the Canons, ignorance of the law is always an excuse. And in most cases with the penalty of excommunication, ignorance of that penalty usually results in not incurring that penalty.

In Carmel,

Br. Allen

 

[Tridentine_MT]

This would probably not be a mortal sin for most such people since they wish to praise God, but do such out of ignorance.

Their motive here means that they lack the knowledge necessary for it to be a mortal sin, in my opinion.

However, it should be discussed with their confessor to properly determine their status.

More or less this answers something that I know has occurred recently.

A person enters a sacristy of a chapel that is used occasionally and sees hosts (possibly consecrated) on a shelf, not in a container but just laid down. This person takes one of them and, out of reverence, takes it home and places it in a Communion Pyx. The Pyx is then placed on the home altar.

Still, I have the following questions and would appreciate a clear answer:

Would this episode be considered as a desecration? And if yes, what penalties are incurred?

Does such an altar, provided that the host is consecrated, could somehow be considered as a form of chapel, albeit irregular?