Ignatius Study Bible NT has arrived!

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MarcoPolo said:
What’s the difference between this and getting the books individually?
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A small pile of cash. You can get this in one long lasting hardback or leather edition (or a cheaper paperback edition) or you can get a bunch of little volumes paying $10 and shipping for each one.
 
vladimir998 said:
Sorry, but the paper is VERY DIFFERENT. The paper in the RSV2CE is smooth and has that finished feel to it as you would expect to find in a Bible. Even that paper is not the highest quality Bible paper (that would be India paper as used in Bibles put out by Cambridge). The paper in this Bible is much cheaper. It is not glossy, does not have that glossy feel to it.

I wonder about the leather version, however. Would they really waste a leather cover on a book made with slightly above average paper? Personally I can’t see any point to putting a leather cover on a book unless the leather is the best possible quality (even better than what was used in the leather covered RSV2CEs!).
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The paper used in the new RSV-2CE bibles are no longer the glossy (smooth) paper that the originals came out with. The new paper is non glossy (I think due to complaints) and appears to be a little darker (at least from the two different copies I saw at the bookstore). It maybe the same paper you are talking about. I think that the bonded leather cover used in the new study bible will be similiar to that used in the RSV-2CE bibles, they are priced about the same. I have one ordered, when I get it I’ll let you know.
 
CalCatholic said:
The paper used in the new RSV-2CE bibles are no longer the glossy (smooth) paper that the originals came out with. The new paper is non glossy (I think due to complaints) and appears to be a little darker (at least from the two different copies I saw at the bookstore). It maybe the same paper you are talking about. I think that the bonded leather cover used in the new study bible will be similiar to that used in the RSV-2CE bibles, they are priced about the same. I have one ordered, when I get it I’ll let you know.
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Is this true of the small Leather New Testament too?? Is it now non-glossy paper?
 
MarcoPolo said:
What’s the difference between this and getting the books individually?
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That’s what I want to know – it’s hard to believe that a single volume would have all the notes & other features as the individual books.

The Navarre Bible just came out w/a 1-vol NT which had only about half the notes from what I’ve rad.
 
didymus said:
The Navarre Bible just came out w/a 1-vol NT which had only about half the notes from what I’ve rad.
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There are two --one volumes of Navarre NT…a compact edition which is shorter on notes ’

and the new Expanded ED NT …which is a NEW work. Not an attempt to put the 12 vol into one…it is new…

the three vol set is the compilation of the 12 into 3 hardbacks. Each one bigger than the Ignatius for the Navarre is much larger.

But as i noted above the Navarre and the Ignatious and the Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture all are complimentry to each other…none surplanting the others…
 
Well lets do some math. I am basing my page count on the Catholic Company web site except for * (which I am basing on Amazon)

Mathew = 81 pages
Mark = 60 pages
Luke = 82 pages*
John = 71 pages*
Acts = 80 pages
Romans = 64 pages
Corinthians 1 & 2 = 70 pages*
Galatians & Ephesians = 51 pages
Philippians, Colossians & Philemon = 46 pages
Thessalonians, Timothy & Titus = 63 pages
Hebrews = 48 pages
James, Peter 1 & 2, & Jude = 63 pages*
John 1, 2, 3, & Revelation = 100 pages

That’s a subtotal of 879 pages. Now, each volume also includes the front pages (title page, copyright, introduction to the whole series) and that seems to be about 12 pages long. That appears 13 times in the series, but will only need to appear once in the single volume, so we subtract 12 x 12 to get 735 pages. According to Amazon, the single volume is 726 pages – almost the same. Now apparently material was added, but it was also reformatted slightly, so I am calculating that nothing was cut.
 
Bible_Reader said:
Well lets do some math. I am basing my page count on the Catholic Company web site except for * (which I am basing on Amazon)

Mathew = 81 pages
Mark = 60 pages
Luke = 82 pages*
John = 71 pages*
Acts = 80 pages
Romans = 64 pages
Corinthians 1 & 2 = 70 pages*
Galatians & Ephesians = 51 pages
Philippians, Colossians & Philemon = 46 pages
Thessalonians, Timothy & Titus = 63 pages
Hebrews = 48 pages
James, Peter 1 & 2, & Jude = 63 pages*
John 1, 2, 3, & Revelation = 100 pages

That’s a subtotal of 879 pages. Now, each volume also includes the front pages (title page, copyright, introduction to the whole series) and that seems to be about 12 pages long. That appears 13 times in the series, but will only need to appear once in the single volume, so we subtract 12 x 12 to get 735 pages. According to Amazon, the single volume is 726 pages – almost the same. Now apparently material was added, but it was also reformatted slightly, so I am calculating that nothing was cut.
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The Gospel of John (the only paperback booklet that I have from this series) also has 10 pages of study questions at the end of the book. I wonder if these are included in the new Study Bible N.T., if not that might also account for the fewer pages.
 
didymus said:
That’s what I want to know – it’s hard to believe that a single volume would have all the notes & other features as the individual books.
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I think the Ignatius has all the notes - it’s 700 pages long.
 
JeanneH said:
I didn’t find the study bible on the Ignatius Press site.
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CalCatholic posted the link, but your trouble in finding it seems to prove one of my points: Ignatius has handled this all very poorly.
 
Bible Reader provided a valuable educated guess. But can anyone confirm that the single volume contains ALL the collective individual volumes do?
 
Here are some valuable insights I found about the volume AND the upcoming Old Testament! There’s a LOT of new information in there! The following comments are from the Ignatius Press “Scoop” (a blog) from May 20, 2010. The comments are from Mark Brumley.

insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2010/05/the-ignatius-catholic-study-bible-nt-is-now-available.html

(The comments were addressed to individual posters.)

Bob:

Some of the individual volume annotations have been revised–not a lot but some. Some of the essays have been revised–for example, the last supper essay in John, I think, has been significantly revised. There are others but I don’t remember, off the top of my head.

Some of the intro essays have been revised and we added an essay on the Gospels by Curtis Mitch, which is very good. Plus, there is a concise concordance for the NT, a doctrinal index that was designed esp. for apologetics, list of Jesus’ miracles and a list of the parables, and some great, new, full-color maps.

Plus, the text is larger for a wider range of readers to use the text easily and there’s a little more margin space than the old booklets for those who want to write in the margins–though not as much as in the new Bible study version (8 1/2 x 11) of the booklets.

So, much is the same, but there are some important changes and additions to the booklets.

Dave: The Old Testament is underway. I just finished my edits of Genesis. Curtis is putting in a few corrections from the production department, and then its off to the regular production process for a fall 2010 release. I’m working through Exodus now and will send my comments to Curtis as soon as I can.

Probably 80% of the OT is done in first draft. We have to work through that still, which is some heavy lifting. But it looks as if the OT will run much, much more quickly than the NT. I can’t give a project when the OT (and therefore the whole Bible) will be done and ready to print, but we’re moving ahead as quickly as possible. I’d love to get feedback on which OT books people think we should publish as stand-alone volumes. Genesis, definitely. Likewise, Exodus. But I don’t know what to think about Leviticus or Numbers. That sort of thing. Comments?

Matthew: I don’t think we’ll publish an OT as such. Probably, once we have completed all the OT books, we’ll just publish the whole Bible.

But we will be publishing individual books and probably some combination of books. We wont’ do the Pentateuch, but we will do Genesis and Exodus, etc.
 
vladimir998 said:
CalCatholic posted the link, but your trouble in finding it seems to prove one of my points: Ignatius has handled this all very poorly.
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Yeah, you would think they would at least have a specific website devoted to this project. While I find the material top notch, I have found the promotion of the Ignatius Study Bible and the RSV-2CE to be shockingly poor. And while I have ordered the leather version, I wasn’t very happy with the first leather edition of the RSV-2CE, which was made in China and didn’t hold up well. I know that the latest editions of the RSV-2CE are made in the USA, so I hope the study bible is as well.

I just have a suspicion that I will, with all the delays and other issues, not be using this as my day to day study Bible.
 
mccorm45 said:
Yeah, you would think they would at least have a specific website devoted to this project. While I find the material top notch, I have found the promotion of the Ignatius Study Bible and the RSV-2CE to be shockingly poor. And while I have ordered the leather version, I wasn’t very happy with the first leather edition of the RSV-2CE, which was made in China and didn’t hold up well. I know that the latest editions of the RSV-2CE are made in the USA, so I hope the study bible is as well.

I just have a suspicion that I will, with all the delays and other issues, not be using this as my day to day study Bible.
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Really? Even though you find the material top notch? That’s fairly harsh! (I would think that the study questions alone would be useful in your teaching.)

I do share your skepticism of the leather edition (as I’ve said above, books with good leather bindings are almost always significantly more expensive than the edition you ordered.) But maybe the hardcover (or even the paperback) edition will be good. The paperback edition is priced at under $15 at Amazon – which is quite a bit cheaper than comparable books. (For example, the paperback paperback costs $20 at Amazon*New (2008) Collegeville NT Commentary *; as does the paperback People’s Bible Commentary and neither of those even contains the Biblical text. Raymond Brown’s hardcover costs $38 at AmazonIntroduction to the New Testament.) So, this is certainly competitively priced. (The Ignatius has much larger page size than any of the books I mentioned, and about the same number of pages, so I am guessing that it contains a significantly larger word count.)

Note that Amazon is now shipping the hardcover edition of the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible.
 
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