Illegal Immigration: Invasion by Another Name

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Statements like this, buttressed by videos of illegals waving Mexican flags, “flipping off” Americans protesting illegal immigration amnesty, and shouting profanities are the reason that my personal position has hardened against illegal immigration.

The ultimate goal of many, if not most those who support illegal immigration, and certainly of the Mexican government, is the “reconquista.”

Catholic or not, they have no right to break into my country then tell me that I will like it or else.
 
This kind of behavior is exactly the kind of flame that fans the fires of resistance to a sensible immigration bill.:nope: And you can be sure that by now, it’s of course all over the internet. I don’t know how many illegals follow her but, of course, she will get all the media attention. I know that in the past there has been a certain sense of entitlement among ***some ***illegals, but I am hoping that she is of the extreme, and not in the mainstream of the mindset among hispanic illegals. This kind of attitude we certainly do not need.😦 It is sure to infuriate some folk. Dumb, really really dumb.:rolleyes:
 
Just ask American Indian what happens when you do not cotrol immigration
 
Melvin said:
community.myfoxchicago.com/blogs/LaRazaNewspaper/2007/06/29/Speak_up_Arellanos_campaign

Statements like this, buttressed by videos of illegals waving Mexican flags, “flipping off” Americans protesting illegal immigration amnesty, and shouting profanities are the reason that my personal position has hardened against illegal immigration.

The ultimate goal of many, if not most those who support illegal immigration, and certainly of the Mexican government, is the “reconquista.”

Catholic or not, they have no right to break into my country then tell me that I will like it or else.
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Here’s a thought…why don’t you ask yourself when it is that you became “selective” about those laws you choose to agree with? What about all those employers that are paying these people wages that are, simply put, “dehumanizing?’ Would you prefer that your “selective” few work these jobs and earn these wages instead? NO, I don’t suppose you would. Here’s a thought…what about going after those employers and business persons instead…remove the root and prevent the growth? But no, that just might require a bit more humility than many of us are capable of expressing, right? Here’s a thought…what about living a really catholic life and going the mile for your brothers and sisters in need? After all, whether you “like it or not” they are your brothers and sisters. And oh, when you’re done deciding that maybe it is too big a deal to consider working on, how about writng your congressman a really angry and “justified” letter detailing all those rotten things that the Bush administration is responsible for…trying to save lives in " third world” countries?" Oh, but there it goes again, that darn truth about us all being brothers and sisters! Whether you like it or not, we have a responsibilty to our Lord to live a real catholic life. Selectiveness, jeez do I really want to help change the world and save lives outside my small world or do I only want to want to? Illegal immigration is a small problem…fair wages for workers; fair entry laws for those who want to share in the good life we have; and higher prices on everything right? Does this sound like something America will support? Didn’t think so…God Bless Us All…
 
anniemart said:
Here’s a thought…why don’t you ask yourself when it is that you became “selective” about those laws you choose to agree with? What about all those employers that are paying these people wages that are, simply put, “dehumanizing?’ Would you prefer that your “selective” few work these jobs and earn these wages instead? NO, I don’t suppose you would. Here’s a thought…what about going after those employers and business persons instead…remove the root and prevent the growth? But no, that just might require a bit more humility than many of us are capable of expressing, right? Here’s a thought…what about living a really catholic life and going the mile for your brothers and sisters in need? After all, whether you “like it or not” they are your brothers and sisters. And oh, when you’re done deciding that maybe it is too big a deal to consider working on, how about writng your congressman a really angry and “justified” letter detailing all those rotten things that the Bush administration is responsible for…trying to save lives in " third world” countries?" Oh, but there it goes again, that darn truth about us all being brothers and sisters! Whether you like it or not, we have a responsibilty to our Lord to live a real catholic life. Selectiveness, jeez do I really want to help change the world and save lives outside my small world or do I only want to want to? Illegal immigration is a small problem…fair wages for workers; fair entry laws for those who want to share in the good life we have; and higher prices on everything right? Does this sound like something America will support? Didn’t think so…God Bless Us All…
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My goodness, Excellency! Do you hold the Keys of the Kingdom, or what? You have given me so many thoughts to think, I fear you have none left for yourself!

My brothers and sisters would never invade my house, take my goods, then threaten me with violence if I protested. “Brothers and sisters” is a two-way street. Got news for ya - Robin Hood was a thief and a blackguard.

Your first mistake: thinking that people who do not agree with you are fools. Your second mistake: thinking that those of us who love our country are going to let her be taken from us without a fight. Think again. Better yet, don’t bother.
 
anniemart said:
Here’s a thought…why don’t you ask yourself when it is that you became “selective” about those laws you choose to agree with? What about all those employers that are paying these people wages that are, simply put, "dehumanizing?’
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I’ve spent some time in El Paso, Las Crusas and Albuquerque (still have family in New Mexico) and the thing that I have found is that the employers of illegal immigrants are citizens of the US who invite these immigrants to clean their homes, tend to their yards and do all sorts of domestic chores. The border areas are wonderful employment training areas for illegals because they come across the border and many work in private homes and then move on to other parts of American from there. So if we have anyone to blame, it is ourselves because we are too lazy to do our own laundry, etc.

But when you “go after” employers, most of the employers you will go after will be farmers. I’m near Chicago and we have a large migrant farm worker population here in the center of the nation. The employers are farms, and those farms provide housing, food and wages. I’m sure MANY of the workers are Legal aliens, but I’d also guess many are not. Not sure how a farmer is supposed to do a background check when the crops need to be picked before they rot.

So if we go after the farmers, the food may not get harvested, if it sits in the field it will rot. If it rots you can bet your supermarket will be charging double for produce.

We have a BIG problem here in the US, but let’s not just sit back and blame business for the problem when this is a very complex issue and there is plenty of blame to go around. BTW, I employ about 100 people, about 50% of those are unsilled labor, and I have NEVER even had an illegal alien (from any nation) apply for a job here. Not sure how to get some, maybe I could lower my wages if I could hire some? :rolleyes:
 
anniemart said:
Here’s a thought…why don’t you ask yourself when it is that you became “selective” about those laws you choose to agree with? What about all those employers that are paying these people wages that are, simply put, “dehumanizing?’ Would you prefer that your “selective” few work these jobs and earn these wages instead? NO, I don’t suppose you would. Here’s a thought…what about going after those employers and business persons instead…remove the root and prevent the growth? But no, that just might require a bit more humility than many of us are capable of expressing, right? Here’s a thought…what about living a really catholic life and going the mile for your brothers and sisters in need? After all, whether you “like it or not” they are your brothers and sisters. And oh, when you’re done deciding that maybe it is too big a deal to consider working on, how about writng your congressman a really angry and “justified” letter detailing all those rotten things that the Bush administration is responsible for…trying to save lives in " third world” countries?" Oh, but there it goes again, that darn truth about us all being brothers and sisters! Whether you like it or not, we have a responsibilty to our Lord to live a real catholic life. Selectiveness, jeez do I really want to help change the world and save lives outside my small world or do I only want to want to? Illegal immigration is a small problem…fair wages for workers; fair entry laws for those who want to share in the good life we have; and higher prices on everything right? Does this sound like something America will support? Didn’t think so…God Bless Us All…
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What an angry and uncharitable post! You are assuming things and assigning blame to people you know absolutely nothing about–as people, as to motives, etc. That is not charitible and not in the spirit of the forum.

I think many of us here agree that something must be done and that immigrants should be treated with kindness and respect. It is a little difficult for some of us to have these feelings when people break our laws to get here and then make demands as if they were citizens. Should this mess be cleaned up? Absolutely. Our government has created this by blatently ignoring the promises made in 1986 when President Reagan (who many of our liberal friends say is one of the worst presidents in history) granted amnesty to about 3 million illegals. Now we have upwards of 13 million. Just how many can a country reasonably be expected to absorb, particularly when so many of them have no intention of assimillating into our society. Fifteen million, twenty million, …?

I am going to assume that you heart is in the right place, (even though you did not afford some of us the same courtesy) but I think perhaps you are letting what you WANT us to do interfere with what we CAN do. This way no one wins. And I can’t figure out where you stand as far as the president is concerned. Guess I am not sure where you are coming from.
 
I live in south Texas and much of the work for illegal immigrants is in the construction industry. there is also alot in the restaurant and hotel business. I have seen managers laugh and joke about knowingly hiring illegals. I have seen them spread info on how to get fake papers. Many of them seem to prefer illegals because they believe they will work harder and complain less. That shows me that they want workers that they can exploit, ones that don’t have rights that get in the way of profits.

As a conservative republican I want the tide stemmed to protect american jobs, our economy and our national security. As a Catholic I see the need to care for the “stranger in a strange land” even when they don’t act “right”. Jesus taught forgiveness as well as love thy neighbor and feed my sheep. So what do we do?

We need to punish the greedy employers who perpetuate this problem, we need to look at security realistically. our 9/11 hijackers came into the country legally or through Canada…so why are we only interested in building a wall on the mexican border? We especially need to create a quality LEGAL immigration program that allows us to check backgrounds and weed out the “threats” while bringing in those who come seeking a better life quickly and in a way that protects them from exploitation.

The statue of liberty doesn’t say bring us your best and brightest, your rich and your whitest… stop ghetoizing immigrants and pushing them into the margins. Provide instead a realistic path to the american dream for those who want it and then it will be that much easier to stop those who come for nefarious reasons.
 
This indeed is a very complex problem. The Republicans are in bed with Business, the Democrats are assured the vote. Nobody in Washington is overly anxious to deal with the problem. But…a problem it is. Immigration is good and healthy for the country…but not at the rate of thousands per day waltzing across the border. And yes, there are a good number of employers who are exploiting these poor people. But not all! What about these companies that are actually recruiting them and giving them instructions on the best places to cross that are the safest for them without getting caught? Why are not people turning these companies in? I guess they need a job.

The Bishops were right on when they said that we need to deal with Mexican economy and the Mexican Government. The Mexican Government is encouraging these people to come here and then…“send back the money honey”. American Industry is exploiting Mexican people…the Mexican Government is exploiting this country…and everybody is happy. As usual, our government strolls along until we are just about at the saturation point, and the influx is threatening to bring the economy down instead of enhancing it. Does our government care if the Mexican people are so destitute that they are forced to come here just to feed their family and survive? I don’t think so. Does the Mexican government care about it’s own people? Not as long as they are benefiting from us and living like kings themselves.

Therefore, I really don’t see how anyone can blame these poor people from trying to survive. Especially when they are being pursued by companies here. Indeed, these people are our brothers and sisters in Christ. We do indeed as Catholic Christians have an obligation to help them. To love them as Christ does. In my particular corner of the country, I believe native Americans have. I know our particular parish has helped them a great deal! By the parish I mean the WHOLE parish people, not just the CLERGY. THAT BEING SAID, I believe these people also have a responsibility to US, AND TO THIS COUNTRY. THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET. I know that in the past our parish has secured qualified English instructors, paid them good money, set up times convenient for those who don’t yet know the language to learn basic English, had interpreters confirm class times that they agreed to and seemed enthused about, to have a ***no show. And this has happened several times. ***We have bent over backwards to invite them to functions and include them in EVERYTHING. They do not show. Of course they do not contribute financially to the support of the parish, but people are understanding about that as they do not make the money we do. Our people understand that!! It has been a struggle, however, to get them to contribute ANYTHING, because in Mexico the Government supports the Church. They have been told over and over again, that in THIS country the Government DOES NOT support the Church, THE PEOPLE DO!
We see that they DO have the money for lavish parties, limousines, designer clothes, but not for the collection basket. It is a very frustrating ordeal but I still think our people are being very very patient and understanding. BUT WHEN YOU SEE THESE PEOPLE BURNING AMERICAN FLAGS AND FLYING MEXICAN FLAGS WITH U.S. FLAGS UNDERNEATH AND UPSIDE DOWN, AND FLIPPING US OFF, ALL OVER THE INTERNET, I AM AFRAID THE PATIENCE IS GOING TO WEAR THIN!!! Of course, a lot of people are going to use their heads and realize this is probably only a minority. BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT!!

What we need to do as Catholic Christian people is to have some kind of dialogue with them. (If only they would learn the language) We also have classes in my area to learn Spanish.
I hesitate to sign up. I don’t think it is too much to ask of them that if they come to this country they learn our primary language. At least basically. In what I see in my particular area, the native Americans are trying to reach out and help them as much as possible. Maybe this is not true everywhere? They need to meet us half way. And the majority who are NOT “biting the hand that feeds them” needs to speak out against those who are.
 
Of course, in the long term, the bad thing is that illegal immigration harms Mexico by allowing the Mexican government to go on with NOT taking care of its people.

We need a Marshall Plan for Mexico; get her up and running as an effective modern democracy. NAFTA wasn’t it.
 
Melvin said:
My goodness, Excellency! Do you hold the Keys of the Kingdom, or what? You have given me so many thoughts to think, I fear you have none left for yourself!

My brothers and sisters would never invade my house, take my goods, then threaten me with violence if I protested. “Brothers and sisters” is a two-way street. Got news for ya - Robin Hood was a thief and a blackguard.

Your first mistake: thinking that people who do not agree with you are fools. Your second mistake: thinking that those of us who love our country are going to let her be taken from us without a fight. Think again. Better yet, don’t bother.
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Well good morning to you…I see that you really did read my post. Now go out and get yourself some really good locks because it sounds like they’re a comin! Oh, but that’s right…they’re already here—those really really dangerous underpaid and uneducated aliens who are building your tacos and fixing your tires and mowing your lawns! You don’t read like someone who scares easily…so what’s your real gripe? Take a deep breath and ask yourself what other worthy cause should you focus on now?. By the way, “fools” was your word, not mine.
 
mary_bobo said:
What an angry and uncharitable post! You are assuming things and assigning blame to people you know absolutely nothing about–as people, as to motives, etc. That is not charitible and not in the spirit of the forum.

I think many of us here agree that something must be done and that immigrants should be treated with kindness and respect. It is a little difficult for some of us to have these feelings when people break our laws to get here and then make demands as if they were citizens. Should this mess be cleaned up? Absolutely. Our government has created this by blatently ignoring the promises made in 1986 when President Reagan (who many of our liberal friends say is one of the worst presidents in history) granted amnesty to about 3 million illegals. Now we have upwards of 13 million. Just how many can a country reasonably be expected to absorb, particularly when so many of them have no intention of assimillating into our society. Fifteen million, twenty million, …?

I am going to assume that you heart is in the right place, (even though you did not afford some of us the same courtesy) but I think perhaps you are letting what you WANT us to do interfere with what we CAN do. This way no one wins. And I can’t figure out where you stand as far as the president is concerned. Guess I am not sure where you are coming from.
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I agree completely…with your first remark. One thought, this world we live doesn’t belong to us…the afterworld is where we are really destined for…while you’re here do you really want to spend your God given energy in assuming the worst in everyone who wants to share the good life you might be living? As far as Bush is concerned…he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed but when you vote, you vote pro-life…no if and or buts…everything else just falls by the wayside. Are you living a catholilc life?
 
anniemart said:
I agree completely…with your first remark. One thought, this world we live doesn’t belong to us…the afterworld is where we are really destined for…while you’re here do you really want to spend your God given energy in assuming the worst in everyone who wants to share the good life you might be living? As far as Bush is concerned…he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed but when you vote, you vote pro-life…no if and or buts…everything else just falls by the wayside. Are you living a catholilc life?
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Her first remark was, "What an angry and uncharitable post!"

Other than your comment about voting pro-life, is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

(Gee, we seem to be following each other from thread to thread :eek: :eek: )

God Bless…us all!👍
Jeff
 
We dont need to evict all twenty million illegal aliens. Punish employers of illegal aliens. Forbid cities from letting illegal aliens stay. Disallow the children of illegal aliens from being given citizenship. Forbid them from getting Medicaid or Social Security. Make a hasty exit from our country an act of self-preservation and the path of least resistance, and illegal immigrants will leave. Let them come if it can be shown first that they are not criminals or terrorists and that they are productive, but our national security trumps their job opportunities in our country.

It has been said that illegal aliens are doing jobs Americans just wont do. If only it were true: in fact, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. Moreover, any American will do that job if it pays well enough. Americans probably wont do it for less than minimum wage, which is what employers are paying illegal aliens.
 
what’s wrong with having an all american america anyway? i don’t hate illegal or legal immigrants but i do think that they would be better off living with their own people, with their own culture, building up their own community. we have shown them how. i believe that they can do it. we as americans should support those governments that want to help themselves.
some americans are lazy loafers but i have met more americans out of work that truely want work but can’t because of cheap immigrant labor. if businessmen would give decent wages so americans could support their families then americans would flip burgers, mow yards, and anything else. investing in the american worker is investing in americas future, communities, and families. how unfortunate though is that profits are above people. don’t say that you put people first if you go to wal-mart to look for deals on goods that you can buy so you can have more stuff collecting dust in your house.
also, forget that bill in congress. put illegal immigration up to a national vote. let the people decide. i believe national votes would solve national problems that seem to confuse politicians.
happy birthday, america!
 
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - THE POLITICS OF TREASON

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - THE POLITICS OF TREASON
newswithviews.com/Johnston/patrick11.htm

By Dr. Patrick Jonston

June 1, 2007


In 1966 the churches withdrew from the entertainment industry and all manner of misfortune followed. Violent crime has increased in the United States by 560 percent, illegitimate births have increased 419 percent, divorce rates have quadrupled, the percentage of children living in single-parent homes has tripled, the teenage suicide rate has increased more than 300 percent and SAT scores have dropped by almost 80 points.

The illegal immigration crisis offers wonderful opportunities to judge the integrity of our leaders: will they abide by their oath to uphold the Constitution and enforce immigration law, or will they capitulate to powerful business interests and strong globalist forces and perpetuate lawlessness?

What does the law say about illegal immigration? Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” anyone who Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by fines and/or prison, and, according to the Immigration and Nationality Act Section 237 (a)(1)(B): Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act or any other law of the United States is deportable."

Have our leaders followed the law? No. Even after 9/11, many American cities remain safe havens where local law enforcement is forbidden to notify the immigration authorities when they have apprehended an illegal alien. 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens, and when they are released from prison they are not deported, but rather, let loose back into our country.

President Bushs immigration plan grants amnesty for millions of illegal aliens (amnesty is setting aside the penalty of a law that has been violated). How can this protect American citizens or uphold and defend the Constitution? God will hold us accountable to our oaths, even if the constituents wont.

Just as your neighbors need permission to enter your home, foreigners need permission to enter our country. It is in our best interest to keep out criminals, terrorists, and the unproductive that just want to suckle on the Federal teat. All who invade our country illegally are criminals and should be punished and deported.

We dont need to evict all twenty million illegal aliens. Punish employers of illegal aliens. Forbid cities from letting illegal aliens stay. Disallow the children of illegal aliens from being given citizenship. Forbid them from getting Medicaid or Social Security. Make a hasty exit from our country an act of self-preservation and the path of least resistance, and illegal immigrants will leave. Let them come if it can be shown first that they are not criminals or terrorists and that they are productive, but our national security trumps their job opportunities in our country.

It has been said that illegal aliens are doing jobs Americans just wont do. If only it were true: in fact, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. Moreover, any American will do that job if it pays well enough. Americans probably wont do it for less than minimum wage, which is what employers are paying illegal aliens.

Its time for Republicans to abandon false remedies that exacerbate the malady, and return to traditional Republican principles. Lets put the government in its proper place: to protect life, liberty, property, and our borders from invaders, not be the chief violator of those rights.
 
REESE_HOWELL said:
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - THE POLITICS OF TREASON

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - THE POLITICS OF TREASON
newswithviews.com/Johnston/patrick11.htm

By Dr. Patrick Jonston

June 1, 2007

NewsWithViews.com

In 1966 the churches withdrew from the entertainment industry and all manner of misfortune followed. Violent crime has increased in the United States by 560 percent, illegitimate births have increased 419 percent, divorce rates have quadrupled, the percentage of children living in single-parent homes has tripled, the teenage suicide rate has increased more than 300 percent and SAT scores have dropped by almost 80 points.

The illegal immigration crisis offers wonderful opportunities to judge the integrity of our leaders: will they abide by their oath to uphold the Constitution and enforce immigration law, or will they capitulate to powerful business interests and strong globalist forces and perpetuate lawlessness?

What does the law say about illegal immigration? Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” anyone who Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by fines and/or prison, and, according to the Immigration and Nationality Act Section 237 (a)(1)(B): Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act or any other law of the United States is deportable."

Have our leaders followed the law? No. Even after 9/11, many American cities remain safe havens where local law enforcement is forbidden to notify the immigration authorities when they have apprehended an illegal alien. 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens, and when they are released from prison they are not deported, but rather, let loose back into our country.

President Bushs immigration plan grants amnesty for millions of illegal aliens (amnesty is setting aside the penalty of a law that has been violated). How can this protect American citizens or uphold and defend the Constitution? God will hold us accountable to our oaths, even if the constituents wont.

Just as your neighbors need permission to enter your home, foreigners need permission to enter our country. It is in our best interest to keep out criminals, terrorists, and the unproductive that just want to suckle on the Federal teat. All who invade our country illegally are criminals and should be punished and deported.

We dont need to evict all twenty million illegal aliens. Punish employers of illegal aliens. Forbid cities from letting illegal aliens stay. Disallow the children of illegal aliens from being given citizenship. Forbid them from getting Medicaid or Social Security. Make a hasty exit from our country an act of self-preservation and the path of least resistance, and illegal immigrants will leave. Let them come if it can be shown first that they are not criminals or terrorists and that they are productive, but our national security trumps their job opportunities in our country.

It has been said that illegal aliens are doing jobs Americans just wont do. If only it were true: in fact, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. Moreover, any American will do that job if it pays well enough. Americans probably wont do it for less than minimum wage, which is what employers are paying illegal aliens.

Its time for Republicans to abandon false remedies that exacerbate the malady, and return to traditional Republican principles. Lets put the government in its proper place: to protect life, liberty, property, and our borders from invaders, not be the chief violator of those rights.
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Amen. The only change I would wish for is to not tie this to the Republicans. This is a national issue, transcending any party affinity. And in truth, the Republicans under GW have probably done more to exacerbate this problem and its seriousness than the Democrats.

I am told that if I “love my neighbor” I will stay quiet or even support millions swarming across our borders unbidden. This is a logical fallacy. One does not love one’s neighbor by doing harm to another neighbor, except in just defense of the first.

In fact, if I support illegal immigration, I fail to love and instead do serious harm to my neighbors who are Americans - in lost jobs, lowered wages, lost access to and increased costs of health care, higher insurance rates (auto as well as health), higher costs for education, decreased quality of education, a higher welfare burden and less access to welfare for needy Americans, and higher rates of crime…and in many cases, more brutal crime.

No matter the twisted logic used to try and support it…It is not just to rob Peter to pay Paul…and when done under color of authority it smacks of arrogance and elitism.
 
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