Illicit Masses at St. Peter's Basilica?

[ProVobis]

I know there was some related thread on this before but here is something from The Catholic World Report, January 2010:

A Progress Report

"It was a busy week for Msgr. Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei.

Friday, October 23: Grant interview to the weblog “Messa in Latino.” Saturday and Sunday: Greet members of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X as they arrive at the Vatican; ask how they like their rooms at the Domus Sanctae Marthae (it was designed for conclaves, which can be austere). Apologize about the altars at the house being booked up; explain that they’ll **have to celebrate Mass **in the crypt at St. Peter’s Basilica."

How can these be licit since ALL SSPX clergy are currently suspended?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I know there was some related thread on this before but here is something from The Catholic World Report, January 2010:

How can these be licit since ALL SSPX clergy are currently suspended?

They are private masses most likely so I do not think licity comes into play.

 

[Onegin]

Relations with the SSPX can vary greatly depending on where you are. Things in practice aren’t quite dramatic as some people would like to think they are in theory.

For example, in the town where I used to live, the local SSPX priest would take over saying the Traditional Mass at the diocesan church when the only diocesan priest who knew how to say the TLM couldn’t make the 2+ hour drive. It was an arrangement that they had come up with so that the faithful wouldn’t be deprived of the sacrament.

Anyways, it seems that people here seem to get so hung up on licitness that they forget that you can probably throw a stone in any direction and hit a diocesan church that is doing something illicit. I have the option of going down the street to the “progressive” diocesan church where they have liturgical dancers (illicit) or I can go to the TLM at the SSPX chapel. One is much more spiritually fulfilling than the other, believe me.

 

[Filioque]

My experience with fellow seminarians and priests of the SSPX when I was with them was that you find leanings from those who would be happy in a local parish offering the TLM, to those who are closet Sede Vacantists, (sometimes not so closeted). While some hold a schismatic mentality, and feel they are the remanent of the Church, others do not. So it is hard to brand the entire SSPX by the more radical and vocal members.

I also hope that those who are seeking altars at St. Peters are those who are more willing to submit to the Holy See, and return to full and open communion, or at least the charity of St. Peter’s would influence them to return to full communion.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I am not sure of the terminology here. However, I think that the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X and SSPX are different groups. As I recall the Priestly Fraternity were in SSPX but returned to unity with the Pope and are an accepted order of priests who use the EF of mass. That would agree with the article you quote.

 

[Filioque]

The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter is in full communion with Rome, and was formed when Pope John Paul II widened the permission to use what is now referred to as the EF. They were originally composed of SSPX priests and Seminarians who left to return to the Holy See.

The propaganda against them when I was in the SSPX Seminary was that they were being tempted by televisions and other luxuries and would never be ordained using either the old or new rites, just housed until the SSPX could be broken. Well they were ordained, and have several seminaries producing priests who offer the EF in diocese around the world, in communion with the Holy See, and the local Ordinaries.

It is possible that the priests who are mentioned in the OP are those good men of the Fraternity of St. Peter.

 

[ProVobis]

It is possible that the priests who are mentioned in the OP are those good men of the Fraternity of St. Peter.

I only quoted a very small piece of the entire article. I don’t know the difference between Society and Priestly Fraternity and Institute and Order verbiage in such titles but I assure you the article was about the SSPX.

Thanks to all of you for your thoughts on this article.

 

[Filioque]

I only quoted a very small piece of the entire article. I don’t know the difference between Society and Priestly Fraternity and Institute and Order verbiage in such titles but I assure you the article was about the SSPX.

Thanks to all of you for your thoughts on this article.

My reply was to the confusion over the FSSP and the SSPX, however I do hold to my original sentiment that it will hopefully be another step showing how the Holy See is doing all they can to bring those within the SSPX who do not hold occult Sede, and schismatic positions back into the fold.