Illuminati Anti-Christ or a Good Orga.? under catholic?

[CarolNoel]

Based on the news of the last few days, my guess would be the IRS.

Now that is a good one.

 

[speedwind100]

Based on the news of the last few days, my guess would be the IRS.

what is IRS anyway?

 

[ltwin]

what is IRS anyway?

The Internal Revenue Service. You know, the people you pay taxes to (if you live in the US). I hope you don’t live in the US, because they are probably coming after you right now for unpaid taxes.

 

[speedwind100]

The Internal Revenue Service. You know, the people you pay taxes to (if you live in the US). I hope you don’t live in the US, because they are probably coming after you right now for unpaid taxes.

yes i don’t livd in the U.S.

 

[Retro_Ace]

Pffft, its like the nasty fundamentalists who says its a sin to eat a cheeseburger (meat and cheese ordeal). They are just a bunch of dopes who don’t know what they are talking about!

 

[Fairwinds]

I assure you all -]we/-] they exist. at any time, about a third of the posters here are illuminati. just keepin’ tabs. that’s all. don’t worry.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I assure you all -]we/-] they exist. at any time, about a third of the posters here are illuminati. just keepin’ tabs. that’s all. don’t worry.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

No, it is not true. Cuz our government wouldn’t allow it to happen but then again, the Antichrist would use mind subversive tactics to change their minds. Scary huh?

He is not allowed to work that way.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

Well, I don’t get involved in conspiracy theories, and neither did my wise old pastor. However I remember one comment of his about the illuminati that “I think they’re alive and well”.

And he had pretty accurate prophetic record, even though he generally didn’t have much time for “conspiracy theories”. He found that whenever he tried to track them down, they seemed to evaporate.

However his prophetic record, and he died in 1992 himself, included the following -

1. An African-American president.
2. A second Gulf War, in which the “Americans will lose a few men the next time”, with the word “few” said in a way which clearly meant “more than a few”.
3. My sister wouldn’t live long - she died in 2005 from leukemia aged 45.
4. I’d become Catholic (1996 / 97).
5. I’d lose my then job (1995).
6. His own eldest son would have a major health breakdown (stroke circa 1996 - hasn’t worked since, and now also has Krone’s disease).
7. I’d be doing a cleaning job for a short time, wouldn’t like it much, but “the Lord would just want me to hear about a ghost”. I did a cleaning job in 2006, didn’t like it much, and heard about a ghost (former manager who committed suicide). This prediction even involved an Australian priest whom I happened to see on this forum, and whom I then emailed about getting a mass said, and who just happened to be located at that time in the nearest Catholic Church to the store where the “ghost” was located. He could well have been the only Australian priest on the forum at that time, and guess where he was located. Tied in pretty well with the old pastor’s pecuilar prediction, didn’t it?

That same priest is now in the local Cathedral office, the last I heard, which means he’s probably on first name terms with our new Archbishop. I’m a bit curious to see where the old pastor’s prediction might lead in due course. And it came true.

So without having any evidence whatsoever, and not even being particularly interested, I’m afraid I go along with my old pastor’s prediction of “I think they’re (Illuminati) alive and well.”

To come out of the woodwork, there would need to be a major world wide crisis. If they exist, they’d be a group of wealthy, powerful, networked, world wide individuals who think they’re the solution to the world’s ills. In that respect, they’d fulfil the Church’s definition of the anti-Christ as -

CCC 676 "The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatalogical judgement. …

677 The Church wil enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover … The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world."

 

[Becca3]

Well, I don’t get involved in conspiracy theories, and neither did my wise old pastor. However I remember one comment of his about the illuminati that “I think they’re alive and well”.

And he had pretty accurate prophetic record, even though he generally didn’t have much time for “conspiracy theories”. He found that whenever he tried to track them down, they seemed to evaporate.

However his prophetic record, and he died in 1992 himself, included the following -

1. An African-American president.
2. A second Gulf War, in which the “Americans will lose a few men the next time”, with the word “few” said in a way which clearly meant “more than a few”.
3. My sister wouldn’t live long - she died in 2005 from leukemia aged 45.
4. I’d become Catholic (1996 / 97).
5. I’d lose my then job (1995).
6. His own eldest son would have a major health breakdown (stroke circa 1996 - hasn’t worked since, and now also has Krone’s disease).
7. I’d be doing a cleaning job for a short time, wouldn’t like it much, but “the Lord would just want me to hear about a ghost”. I did a cleaning job in 2006, didn’t like it much, and heard about a ghost (former manager who committed suicide). This prediction even involved an Australian priest whom I happened to see on this forum, and whom I then emailed about getting a mass said, and who just happened to be located at that time in the nearest Catholic Church to the store where the “ghost” was located. He could well have been the only Australian priest on the forum at that time, and guess where he was located. Tied in pretty well with the old pastor’s pecuilar prediction, didn’t it?

That same priest is now in the local Cathedral office, the last I heard, which means he’s probably on first name terms with our new Archbishop. I’m a bit curious to see where the old pastor’s prediction might lead in due course. And it came true.

So without having any evidence whatsoever, and not even being particularly interested, I’m afraid I go along with my old pastor’s prediction of “I think they’re (Illuminati) alive and well.”

To come out of the woodwork, there would need to be a major world wide crisis. If they exist, they’d be a group of wealthy, powerful, networked, world wide individuals who think they’re the solution to the world’s ills. In that respect, they’d fulfil the Church’s definition of the anti-Christ as -

I wish some priest would tell me where I am going in life. Or what is going to happen to me. You were lucky to have had a priest tell you those things. I saw on another thread how someone else’s priest made a prediction and it came true. I wonder how many Catholic priests have that ability???

 

[Fairwinds]

I wish some priest would tell me where I am going in life. Or what is going to happen to me. …:

-]your lucky numbers are 30 54 33 9 /-] I mean it says, You Will Lead An Interesting Life.

 

[Becca3]

-]your lucky numbers are 30 54 33 9 /-] I mean it says, You Will Lead An Interesting Life.

Oh really? You think?? Are you prophetic?? Are you a priest?

 

[Harry1941]

According to Swedenborg, the name “Christ” means Truth, and the name “Jesus” mean Good. An anti-christ is one who teachers false ideas about God.An Anti-Christ is not a leader of a country, but of a church. An Anti-Christ is also a satan.

Harry:wave:.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

I wish some priest would tell me where I am going in life. Or what is going to happen to me. You were lucky to have had a priest tell you those things. I saw on another thread how someone else’s priest made a prediction and it came true. I wonder how many Catholic priests have that ability???

This (protestant) pastor was quite outstanding frankly in his ability to predict things. Actually he wasn’t “predicting” - God was telling him these things. He was just saying what he’d been told, or thought he was being told. There’s always a bit of uncertainty about spiritual guidance ie. where’s it coming from?

I remember once when he was saying he thought I’d do this and that (various negative or even wrong behaviours) when he suddenly stopped, with a pensive look on his face. He then said, “Hang on a minute! I think the devil’s telling me all this!”

So one needs a certain amount of discernment as well.

It can also be a mixed blessing. How do you think you’d feel for example if your priest or pastor told you that he thought you were going to be tortured for example, or that someone near and dear to you would not live very long, or that you’d lose your job (and others would be involved in a bit of a conspiracy against you)? Especially if he had a pretty accurate track record in these sorts of predictions?

Sometimes you’re better off not knowing in advance, and handling these things as they come.

I have no idea how many Catholic priests have this sort of ability. And if they do, it’s a gift anyway. God’s behind it when it occurs. It won’t be their ability, but a spiritual gift, and God will be telling them what the story is. When Padre Pio could see into people’s souls and see hidden or unconfessed sins, that was because God could see them, and was simply telling Padre Pio.

That’s how it works. God’s the tell tale, not the pastor or priest. There’s nothing hidden from Him. The same comment goes for bilocation, stigmata, levitation or any other spiritual characteristic a saint might have.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

According to Swedenborg, the name “Christ” means Truth, and the name “Jesus” mean Good. An anti-christ is one who teachers false ideas about God.An Anti-Christ is not a leader of a country, but of a church. An Anti-Christ is also a satan.

Harry:wave:.

If we take the Anti-Christ as a person, empowered by a satanically powered system, and as elaborated on in Revelation, one of his distinct characteristics will be that -

Revelation 13:16 NIV “It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads…”

This sounds political and economic to me, not church related. He’ll be a political figure, not a church figure.

Hitler came close, but obviously failed. And one of the characteristics of his regime was tatooing of prisoners, and of SS members, with numbers. Hitler was hardly a church figure.

That’s where he got his power from. How else do you explain this corporal in WWI, who’d previously been a vagabond artist and would be architect bumming around Vienna, as the later dictator of most of Western Europe, and the phenomenal evil he perpetrated. That’s where the Third Reich got its power and brilliance from. The devil was behind it. Take a look at the fruit.

 

[Becca3]

If we take the Anti-Christ as a person, empowered by a satanically powered system, and as elaborated on in Revelation, one of his distinct characteristics will be that -

Revelation 13:16 NIV “It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads…”

This sounds political and economic to me, not church related. He’ll be a political figure, not a church figure.

Hitler came close, but obviously failed. And one of the characteristics of his regime was tatooing of prisoners, and of SS members, with numbers. Hitler was hardly a church figure.

That’s where he got his power from. How else do you explain this corporal in WWI, who’d previously been a vagabond artist and would be architect bumming around Vienna, as the later dictator of most of Western Europe, and the phenomenal evil he perpetrated. That’s where the Third Reich got its power and brilliance from. The devil was behind it. Take a look at the fruit.

So, it sounds like Hitler was the Antichrist? He certainly was the most evil one of our modern world…

 

[Becca3]

This (protestant) pastor was quite outstanding frankly in his ability to predict things. Actually he wasn’t “predicting” - God was telling him these things. He was just saying what he’d been told, or thought he was being told. There’s always a bit of uncertainty about spiritual guidance ie. where’s it coming from?

I remember once when he was saying he thought I’d do this and that (various negative or even wrong behaviours) when he suddenly stopped, with a pensive look on his face. He then said, “Hang on a minute! I think the devil’s telling me all this!”

So one needs a certain amount of discernment as well.

It can also be a mixed blessing. How do you think you’d feel for example if your priest or pastor told you that he thought you were going to be tortured for example, or that someone near and dear to you would not live very long, or that you’d lose your job (and others would be involved in a bit of a conspiracy against you)? Especially if he had a pretty accurate track record in these sorts of predictions?

Sometimes you’re better off not knowing in advance, and handling these things as they come.

I have no idea how many Catholic priests have this sort of ability. And if they do, it’s a gift anyway. God’s behind it when it occurs. It won’t be their ability, but a spiritual gift, and God will be telling them what the story is. When Padre Pio could see into people’s souls and see hidden or unconfessed sins, that was because God could see them, and was simply telling Padre Pio.

That’s how it works. God’s the tell tale, not the pastor or priest. There’s nothing hidden from Him. The same comment goes for bilocation, stigmata, levitation or any other spiritual characteristic a saint might have.

That is what I meant to say. That priests are prophetic cuz it comes from God. Predictions come from psychics and mediums and not from God. And I agree with you. Most of the time, they let the people handle the outcome of their life actions. Cuz for one thing, maybe God told them not to tell us. Second, we might be too stubborn to listen cuz we have that innate desire to figure it out ourselves. lol. And as they say, it is not wise to mess with the vortex of time if you will. Kind of like time traveling, you don’t want to mess with the events of that time for fear of changing history.

 

[speedwind100]

Then How about Beyonce reveal her self as illuminati? remember she formed a pyramid and looking at the center of it?

Then there is two kinds of illuminati:?

1 is a group of scientist
2 is a group of anti-christ

whatt???

What about the form of hands : Rock style represent the horn of satan? do you believe that? And the other sign etc.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

So, it sounds like Hitler was the Antichrist? He certainly was the most evil one of our modern world…

He was a form of anti-Christ, as was Josef Stalin, Mao etc. They all, in their own ways, attempted to bring about what they saw as a Messianic rule, or if you like, the rule to end rules. The result was the mass murder of millions.

From the Catechism -

675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576

676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578

So every time a political, religious or economic system seeks to “realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement”, there is a form of anti-Christ.

However I still think there will be one particular man who will be “The” anti-Christ, and he’ll turn up sooner or later.