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What is Freemasonry?

They answered and said to him: Abraham is our father…We have one Father, even God. Jesus therefore said to them:
If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do
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Martin L, Wagner, in one of the most revealing manuscripts on freemasonry ever written, Freemasonry: An Interpretation (1912), summarises this well known society thus: ‘Freemasonry in its chief and essential features is a religious institution, and as such has marks and elements that are peculiar to itself but which also differentiate it from Christianity’.—Professor G.H. Gerberding, D.D., quoted by Martin L, Wagner, Freemasonry: An Interpretation.

‘ “Masonry is a religion. If it is not why should it have temples, altars, official rituals, with hymns or odes, prayers, consecrations, and benedictions? Why have high priests, chaplains, written and authorised forms for opening and closing its meetings, for corner stone laying, and dedications, for instillations, for the burial of its dead and what not? Why the grotesque imitations and caricatures of the church’s forms, even to its sacraments?” —Professor G.H. Gerberding, D.D., quoted by Martin L, Wagner, Freemasonry: An Interpretation.

Freemasonry is a church of the Antichrist. It has taken the form of pseudo-Christianity with its good works, thus luring into its ranks some Catholic as well as anti-Catholic supporters. The institution is esoteric and ‘the symbolism is the very soul of freemasonry’ (Pike). ‘It least does mean what it most does say and show.’ The spirit of freemasonry has its origins in the first pagan religions on earth. ‘Its peculiar religious ideas and doctrines have survived from the periods of remotest antiquity until the present time, and continue with a persistence that is marvellous. It has diffused over the whole habitable earth. Like the mysterious force or energy in nature upon which it is based, the essence or data has been constant, but the forms in which it has found expression have varied in different ages and among different people. The marvel lies in its persistence. So long as there is unregenerate human nature, so long will the root of masonry find a congenial soil and keep alive the organization in some form’ --M. L. Wagner: Freemasonry: An Interpretation.

Manley Palmer Hall 33º, in his The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, states that freemasonry has no meaning or real purpose outside its ‘Melchisedech context’. This is the order of combat in the great conflict predicted in Genesis 3:15, the war of priests and kings, that war involving Christ the High Priest and His priests and kings of Christendom against the combined army of the Antichrist. Now, whereas the great battle of the Melchisedech kingships is temporarily lost, the battle against the Melchisedech priesthood is - as was depicted allegorically in the 1879 apparition at Knock Ireland - in full flow today. Currently, it is the scientist-as-priest and not the priest as Saint, who men and women look to for wisdom today.

‘These vital and essential elements in this religion are not spiritual facts and spiritual mysteries, but carnal and psychical, the facts of life, and the mysteries involved in the generation and reproduction of life, and from their nature appeal most powerfully to man…. On its theological side, Freemasonry is a sort of pantheism, the deity being the generative principle, the reproductive power that pervades all animated nature….…The most dangerous antagonists of Christianity in its earliest days were the worshipers of Isis, under various modifications as Demeter, Cybele, Diana, or as the power of fertility, and the Mithraism, the worship of the generative power under the aspect of light [the heresy of Copernicanism]. The enemies of Christianity clothed these ideas in the language of the New Testament and of the Church. By skilfully veiling their pagan ideas under the terminology of Christian doctrines many who thought themselves serving the Lord Jesus Christ were led unconsciously into the pagan cults. And this is the method of Freemasonry.’—M. L Wagner: Freemasonry: An Interpretation.

Masonry and Lucifer

In 1738, a mere twenty-one years after the Masonic Order first went public in London (1717), Pope Clement XII, in his encyclical letter *In Eminenti described freemasonry as ‘Satan’s synagogue’ with ipso facto excommunication for any Christian who joined or associated with it, reserving absolution to the Holy See alone. This excommunication was extended by Pope Pius IX in his Apostolicae Sedis of October 12, 1869 to include the Carbonari and other secret societies also active in the republican revolution in Italy at the time. In all, the Church has issued twenty bulls warning the faithful against masonry for while the organisation gives the outer appearance of being Christian their inner core of initiates are ultimately about the work of the Devil. This was further emphasised in Pope Pius IX’s Scite Profecto of July 1873, wherein he personally attributed masonry to Satan, for he says it can only be the Devil, the eternal adversary of God, who is responsible for it; founded it, and contrived its development. The most comprehensive of all these epistles however, was Leo XIII’s Humanum Genus (1884). Subsequently, in 1890, the vernacular encyclical Dall’ Alto, addressed to the clergy and people of Italy was published. The Pope here described freemasonry as pervaded with the spirit of Satan. Another warning appeared in the same pope’s Custodi *of 1892. Addressing the Italian bishops, the Holy Father asserted that ‘the diabolical spirit of all former sects is revived in masonry that attacks everything sacred, while the public, lulled in false security, does not recognise the danger, for Christianity itself is at stake.’
 
While I don’t believe the Catholic Church is part of the New World Order, I do think our American Bishops need to tread alittle more carefully when they delve into the immigration problem in this country.

They have come dangerously close to helping and aiding the “New world Order” in their quest to help poor illegal immigrants migrate here, and that only aides the world government forces such as the UN to disolve our borders, dillute our language, and obliterate our culture. Open borders are the beginning of world government and the loss of all sovergernty, as the European Union has showed us. Now, I believe the Bishops have the best interests of the poor immigrants on their minds, but they are certainly helping and aiding our govt. and the Mexican govt. do away with our borders and nullifying our Constitution when they use there substantial influence fighting for more open borders. It can easily lead to a North American Union of Mexico, America and Canada.

We are a country of laws and the most open of any country to legal immigration there is, and I think the Bishops need to respect that. Lest they can be seen helping and aiding the global forces pushing for one world government…
 
Freemasons proudly and openly worship Baal.
We do?

Thats news to me.

I’ve said this before in theads and i’ll say it again; since i’m a Freemason, I can tell you that Freemasonry is not a religion nor is it a substitute for religion. If your looking for religion in lodge, then your going to be very disapointed.
 
In our church, there is a prominent community person who is a practicing freemason. He regularly receives communion. What is the church’s position on this? I thought freemasons were excommunicated.
We have a prominent freemason who is an EMHC and RE teacher.
 
We have a prominent freemason who is an EMHC and RE teacher.
And? How is this evidence that the Church’s teach on the matter is wrong? The Church has spoken very clearly that being a freemason is sinful for a Catholic.
 
Yes, I must agree - nowadays, usually when the Vatican issues an ordinance, encyclical, or other forceful dictate of doctrine, they have a good, proven reason behind it.
 
My understanding is that Catholics can now become Masons. Am I mistaken?
Catholics can’t become freemasons without being in mortal sin. They are not allowed Communion then… if they still receive Communion, they receive in a state of mortal sin.

Cardinal Ratzinger clarified this a while ago 🙂 (before he became the Pope)
 
And? How is this evidence that the Church’s teach on the matter is wrong? The Church has spoken very clearly that being a freemason is sinful for a Catholic.
Don’t get me wrong, I believe the Church is correct in Her teaching.
It’s just not doing anything about it at a parish level.

Why not? :confused:
 
Illuminati, freemasonry, new world order = progressivism!

Progressivism = man over God!
 
We do?

Thats news to me.

I’ve said this before in theads and i’ll say it again; since i’m a Freemason, I can tell you that Freemasonry is not a religion nor is it a substitute for religion. If your looking for religion in lodge, then your going to be very disapointed.
But it does possess a philosophy though, dosent it.
 
Yes, it does; one of tolerance and charity.
And theres the problem… Tolerance covered in charity.

I believe that tolerance has its place, but should NEVER become the focus of a global mission. And freemasonry is quite global as well as influencial. It spreads and infiltrates.

Nowadays, it’s becoming more and more rare that people take focus on their everlasting soul, since we’re all so focused on the environment, equality, tolerance, technology, social advancement and all the other temporal parts of this life.

Thanks alot freemasonry. :rolleyes:
 
And theres the problem… Tolerance covered in charity.

I believe that tolerance has its place, but should NEVER become the focus of a global mission. And freemasonry is quite global as well as influencial. It spreads and infiltrates.

Nowadays, it’s becoming more and more rare that people take focus on their everlasting soul, since we’re all so focused on the environment, equality, tolerance, technology, social advancement and all the other temporal parts of this life.

Thanks alot freemasonry. :rolleyes:
TEPO,

In response to your reply to my post;

Infiltrates? No.

I have to respectfully disagree with you because based on your comments thus far, It’s become obvious to me that you really don’t know anything about masonry and I doubt that you could debate this topic with any credibility, much like since I’m not a member of the Knights Of Columbus, therefore I could not credibly debate most topics about the organization.
 
TEPO,

In response to your reply to my post;

Infiltrates? No.

I have to respectfully disagree with you because based on your comments thus far, It’s become obvious to me that you really don’t know anything about masonry and I doubt that you could debate this topic with any credibility, much like since I’m not a member of the Knights Of Columbus, therefore I could not credibly debate most topics about the organization.
Does a mason actually know what masonry is?

I ask that with all due respect, because it is said that a 3rd. degree mason is only the public face of freemasonry. He for the most part only represents the fraternal and charitable arm of the organisation. It’s only when one elevates himself to the highest degrees is he really imparted with all of the “knowledge”.

In a “secret organisation” that has, shall we say, some negative overtones in it’s history, one must expect suspicion and questions that might appear naive to an insider…
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TEPO:
Nowadays, it’s becoming more and more rare that people take focus on their everlasting soul, since we’re all so focused on the environment, equality, tolerance, technology, social advancement and all the other temporal parts of this life.
Very well said!👍
 
Does a mason actually know what masonry is?

I ask that with all due respect, because it is said that a 3rd. degree mason is only the public face of freemasonry. He for the most part only represents the fraternal and charitable arm of the organisation. It’s only when one elevates himself to the highest degrees is he really imparted with all of the “knowledge”.

In a “secret organisation” that has, shall we say, some negative overtones in it’s history, one must expect suspicion and questions that might appear naive to an insider…
To answer your question, the answer is: Yes. For the uninitiated, A Master Mason is invested with all the knowledge of a Mason of Blue Lodge. The so-called “higher” degrees you mention are outside of Masonry; in other words, they are concordant bodies in which Master Masons are permitted to join. Fortunately we are not a “secret organization” as some people may have been told/believe and as such there is no need for the public to expect suspicion nor questions that might be of concern for the profane.
 
To answer your question, the answer is: Yes. For the uninitiated, A Master Mason is invested with all the knowledge of a Mason of Blue Lodge. The so-called “higher” degrees you mention are outside of Masonry; in other words, they are concordant bodies in which Master Masons are permitted to join. Fortunately we are not a “secret organization” as some people may have been told/believe and as such there is no need for the public to expect suspicion nor questions that might be of concern for the profane.
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The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation
 
lifted from www.masonicinfo.com

The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation
Correct; if you expect to find religion in lodge, you’ll be mildly disappointed. As I’ve mentioned in these threads prior, Freemasonry is not a religion nor a substitute for religion.
 
The only thing I want to say is if we already have establish teachings and scripture through the Bible why not just follow that? Not saying here that your not but why be involved in a group where the is Gray area and there definitely is with freemasonry.

You can do great things through the churches while promoting Christianity alone. There is also various mens groups and other organisations if you want to build that “fraternal bond” while still being in a Christian church. It seems to me that Jesus presented no secrets and is the light, Why then hide teachings or rituals that brings darkness? There is no need for “secrets” and it seems to me the models that set them up are occult. Remember occult means “Hidden from view; concealed.” Why not just become a brother in Christ and promote Christianity 👍.
19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God. (John 3:19-21, NIV)
 
The only thing I want to say is if we already have establish teachings and scripture through the Bible why not just follow that? Not saying here that your not but why be involved in a group where the is Gray area and there definitely is with freemasonry.

You can do great things through the churches while promoting Christianity alone. There is also various mens groups and other organisations if you want to build that “fraternal bond” while still being in a Christian church. It seems to me that Jesus presented no secrets and is the light, Why then hide teachings or rituals that brings darkness? There is no need for “secrets” and it seems to me the models that set them up are occult. Remember occult means “Hidden from view; concealed.” Why not just become a brother in Christ and promote Christianity 👍.
ChristianSurfer,

Thanks for your response.

Mason’s don’t believe that there are any “gray” areas when it comes to Freemasonry. Since we know that Freemasonry is not a religion, nor a substitute for religion, we are strictly a charitable/fraternal organization and all our members are very comfortable with this knowledge.

Also keep in mind that Freemasory is not only composed of Christians; we have people of many faiths who are members of our fraternity. In fact many of our lodges are composed of a majority of Roman Catholics; in my lodge over 40% of our membership are Catholic.

Some people may describe us as an occult; we are not. We have some grips and passwords so we can tell who is a Mason and who is not and that is it. No “mumbo-jumbo” as some in these forums have insinutated.

Much like the Knights of Columbus, our degrees are not open to the public; one must be a Mason to attend them and likewise, only men are eligible to apply for membership.

Its not the picture that many in here would like to paint of Freemasonry.
 
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