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What should Catholics think about the Illuminati? I saw a Youtube video about it just now and I find it convincing. But I just don’t know how as someone who is trying to be a faithful Catholic to respond. Also I saw a thread in the Groups area but the OP got banned. She was worried that the Illuminati would try to get an apostate Pope elected but I know that is impossibe. I could foresee a situation where an antipope could lead many astray but a validly elected Pope would never be apostate. But besides that how should one respond? Is this all malarky or what?
 
i wouldnt take too much notice of any of that stuff. Over the years, weve also been told to beware of the Freemasons, the Club of Rome, the New World Order, some Bohemian Grove turnout, etc, etc, etc.
Conspiracy theories are the proverbial dime a dozen. And if you believe the anti-Catholics, the biggist villain is the Vatican, maybe partnered with the CIA!
Just pick your favourite enemy! 😃

We have to hang onto our common sense, and keep our sense of balance.
Saint Pio said: "Pray, hope, and dont worry." Ultimately, Gods in charge.
 
A Catholic can not be a Freemason (unless something has changed)
 
Just like a previous poster said, there is always going to be theories about how such and such is evil, wrong, bad, etc. You just have to use your common sense, have faith, and pray a lot. 😃
 
Job42 said:
What should Catholics think about the Illuminati? I saw a Youtube video about it just now and I find it convincing. But I just don’t know how as someone who is trying to be a faithful Catholic to respond. Also I saw a thread in the Groups area but the OP got banned. She was worried that the Illuminati would try to get an apostate Pope elected but I know that is impossibe. I could foresee a situation where an antipope could lead many astray but a validly elected Pope would never be apostate. But besides that how should one respond? Is this all malarky or what?
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I had to see who they were.
I saw 15 seconds of the stuff and it sounded like “déjà vu”! where I have seen this before? I see this when I am tired at the computer and want to have fun …
 
Job42 said:
What should Catholics think about the Illuminati? I saw a Youtube video about it just now and I find it convincing. But I just don’t know how as someone who is trying to be a faithful Catholic to respond. Also I saw a thread in the Groups area but the OP got banned. She was worried that the Illuminati would try to get an apostate Pope elected but I know that is impossibe. I could foresee a situation where an antipope could lead many astray but a validly elected Pope would never be apostate. But besides that how should one respond? Is this all malarky or what?
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The Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, the Club of Rome etc. Is it far-fetched to imagine that the powerful people of the earth get together to discuss their views, priorities, agendas and to find ways to advance them, like a think-tank? I would venture to say that most of their ideas run contrary to the Gospel. If a world order is to be established for the antichrist to emerge of someday, some people will have to get together and make it happen. My take. If you look at La Salette, there are very sobering prophecies about Rome eventually being the seat of the AC, Rome becoming pagan etc. However, some fall prey to conspiracy theories and make eccentric claims, pretend to have inside info from someone who is in the know etc. As Catholics we have a dim intimation of where this world is going, but not much more can be known for the time being.
 
There has never been an historical secret, powerful group known as the Illuminati. I think the documents suggesting its existence were proven to be a hoax. There is no evidence of people like Leonardo or Newton being part of such an organization. Newton was a bit of a recluse, and there isn’t much biological evidence for Leonardo except for his surviving artwork and writings, which obviously don’t discuss his leadership of a super-secret order of “enlightened” individuals.

If a group of “powerful” people are meeting secretly to discuss “agendas”, and calling themselves the “Illuminati”, then this has as much historical relevance as myself claiming to be a Nigerian prince.
 
According to some, All the wars & conspiracies that have ever existed are the result of the Catholic Church’s determination to control Mankind (inspired by Satan, of course). Some nutters define it further by blaming the Jesuits, before whom the Pope cowers! And, of course, we’re all brain-washed into believing what ever the Church says at any given time, on any given subject!

Yes, I also find this, and all the End Time stuff absolutely fascinating. Sadly, I do believe that much of it is peddled to make money from books and such like, but has the unfortunate consequence of diverting people, especially young people, from the path of Christ to the path of nowhere in particular!
 
runningdude said:
There has never been an historical secret, powerful group known as the Illuminati. I think the documents suggesting its existence were proven to be a hoax. There is no evidence of people like Leonardo or Newton being part of such an organization. Newton was a bit of a recluse, and there isn’t much biological evidence for Leonardo except for his surviving artwork and writings, which obviously don’t discuss his leadership of a super-secret order of “enlightened” individuals.

If a group of “powerful” people are meeting secretly to discuss “agendas”, and calling themselves the “Illuminati”, then this has as much historical relevance as myself claiming to be a Nigerian prince.
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philial said:
According to some, All the wars & conspiracies that have ever existed are the result of the Catholic Church’s determination to control Mankind (inspired by Satan, of course). Some nutters define it further by blaming the Jesuits, before whom the Pope cowers! And, of course, we’re all brain-washed into believing what ever the Church says at any given time, on any given subject!

Yes, I also find this, and all the End Time stuff absolutely fascinating. Sadly, I do believe that much of it is peddled to make money from books and such like, but has the unfortunate consequence of diverting people, especially young people, from the path of Christ to the path of nowhere in particular!
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The Illuminati may or may not exist at the present time, what do you think of the Bilderbergs? Do they meet to find innovative ways to spread the teachings of the Catholic Church? Or none of what they discuss behind closed doors will never have any impact on the Catholic Church/Faith?
 
Robertanthony said:
The Illuminati may or may not exist at the present time, what do you think of the Bilderbergs? Do they meet to find innovative ways to spread the teachings of the Catholic Church? Or none of what they discuss behind closed doors will never have any impact on the Catholic Church/Faith?
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There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the Illuminati exist in our time or even for many centuries. They were also never as remotely powerful or widespread as modern conspiracy theorists would like us to believe. It’s quite clever actually: make the focus of your conspiracy a group that doesn’t exist. That way a) they cannot defend themselves and b) makes them more sinister by the whole ‘secret underground society’ thing.

I have a great dislike for conspiracy theories. They are unreliable, uncharitable and downright cruel. They prey on the naive and vulnerable and their fears then I simply have no respect for that.
 
PerfectTiming said:
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the Illuminati exist in our time or even for many centuries. They were also never as remotely powerful or widespread as modern conspiracy theorists would like us to believe. It’s quite clever actually: make the focus of your conspiracy a group that doesn’t exist. That way a) they cannot defend themselves and b) makes them more sinister by the whole ‘secret underground society’ thing.

I have a great dislike for conspiracy theories. They are unreliable, uncharitable and downright cruel. They prey on the naive and vulnerable and their fears then I simply have no respect for that.
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I was going to post a reply that would have been similar, but not nearly as elegant. :bowdown2:
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
A Catholic can not be a Freemason (unless something has changed)
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i know a Catholic can`t be a Freemason. What i was getting at was the conspiracy theory that the Freemasons would take over the entire world. At the same time, in some areas, the hostility between the Church and the Masons runs deep!
Robertanthony said:
. My take. If you look at La Salette, there are very sobering prophecies about Rome eventually being the seat of the AC, Rome becoming pagan etc.
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Those alleged messages from La Salette have been disputed. Apparently, they werent mentioned by Melanie until decades later. Theres the suspicion that she added the “Rome will lose the Faith” bit for embellishment. Apart from that, though, “Rome” is a big word, and could cover a lot more than just the Vatican. It could mean all of Italy.

Gerry Matatics is a sedevacantist who has played merry hell with the “Rome will lose the Faith” idea. There are others, of course.
 
Robertanthony said:
The Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, the Club of Rome etc. Is it far-fetched to imagine that the powerful people of the earth get together to discuss their views, priorities, agendas and to find ways to advance them, like a think-tank? I would venture to say that most of their ideas run contrary to the Gospel. If a world order is to be established for the antichrist to emerge of someday, some people will have to get together and make it happen. My take. If you look at La Salette, there are very sobering prophecies about Rome eventually being the seat of the AC, Rome becoming pagan etc. However, some fall prey to conspiracy theories and make eccentric claims, pretend to have inside info from someone who is in the know etc. As Catholics we have a dim intimation of where this world is going, but not much more can be known for the time being.
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Thanks, I like this answer the best. I have looked into this more online. I am inclined to believe that something is going on but nobody really has the full picture and there is some nonsense tied in. The biggest issue is with the Church being involved. I don’t find it farfetched for SOME members of the Church to be involved but the gates of Hell will never prevail against Her (and no true Pope will ever be apostate).
 
Job42 said:
What should Catholics think about the Illuminati? I saw a Youtube video about it just now and I find it convincing. But I just don’t know how as someone who is trying to be a faithful Catholic to respond. Also I saw a thread in the Groups area but the OP got banned. She was worried that the Illuminati would try to get an apostate Pope elected but I know that is impossibe. I could foresee a situation where an antipope could lead many astray but a validly elected Pope would never be apostate. But besides that how should one respond? Is this all malarky or what?
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I remember my old pastor, whose attitude to most conspiracy theories was “Whenever I try to track these things down, I find they just fizzle out into nothing.” So he wasn’t much given to “last days” stuff.

However he did once make the comment that he thought the Illuminati were “alive and well”. By that I suppose he thought there is a cabal of powerful, influential, wealthy and / or politically connected people who are “making plans”, particularly in this day and age when they can communicate anywhere at the touch of a button, and the economy is so inter-connected.

I’d be surprised if there is not such a society. There have always been conspiracies, secret societies, and old boys’ networks of one sort or another. Part of the appeal is of course human vanity - the sense of being “in”.

Proving it though would be another thing. And if one did set about seriously trying to uncover such an outfit, their best line of defence would be all the loony conspiracy theories. They could simply get the public to laugh it off.

He also made the point that he thought there’d be a Pope where they’d “get to him”. The appeal to a Pope would not be power, but the possibility of enforcing some sort of world-wide peace, so that wars for example were essentially outlawed.

I found from personal experience that he was usually right with his predictions and conjectures, but only time and experience would prove him right. Since he died in 1992, then any predictions or conjectures he made came well after then. Some predictions he made, and which have happened were -
  1. I’d become a Catholic (came true 1996/97).
  2. His eldest son would have a major health issue. He had a stroke circa 1996 or 1997.
  3. My sister wouldn’t live long. I think he mentioned leukemia. She died in 2005 aged 45 from leukemia.
  4. There’d be a second Gulf War, and the Americans would get rid of Saddam Hussein. But they’d “lose a few men” the next time. No need to tell you about that.
  5. That I’d be doing a cleaning job for a short time, wouldn’t like it much, but that the Lord would just want me to “hear about a ghost”. That happened in 2006, and much to my surprise, even ended up involving a couple of emails to a priest I happened to note on a post on this forum site (and the odds against that were high by themselves).
  6. I’d be driving a cab at night, but I’d get “sick of the drunks” (2005).
  7. That there’d be a bit of a conspiracy against me in my then government job, and I’d lose it (1995).
  8. That I’d be working with a Catholic psychiatrist. I met the psychiatrist sometime around 1995.
  9. That a certain pastor would get hold of his church after he was gone and “wreck it”. The said pastor got hold of it at 6am the morning my old pastor died at 3am, and duly “wrecked it”.
  10. There’d be a firearm massacre at Port Arthur in Tasmania. That happened in 1996.
  11. There’d be an African American President.
There were other things.

So when I said he was accurate, I meant it. So while I am hardly able to prove either the existence of an “Illuminati” or the fact they’ll “get to” a Pope, I don’t discount it, simply because I found out from experience just how accurate he was. I suppose you’d say he had the dual gifts of wisdom and prophecy in no uncertain measure.
 
Yes, I believe that this group exists because just look at the way the world has walked away from Jesus Christ.

Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis of Assisi
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     At the above link you can read pages 248-250 which contains this prophecy:
"1. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.

"2. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.

"3. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.

"4. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.

"5. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.

"6. Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.

“7. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.”
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"Sanctity of life will be held in derision"  surely fits the times as prevalence of abortions & the promiscuous  attitude towards sex of all kinds even try-sexuals  you might say.   Now  this  Destroyer has not come yet.    He capitalizes the word Pastor and  from the  2nd sentence  I believe this must be some Pope. 

 But  let us pray that St. Francis was wrong here and that he  interpreted this vision or revelation  in error.   Even St. Thomas Aquinas made some errors,  regarding angels  I think.   I  firmly believe that if we pray and return to God's Way and not ours as a nation and even all Christian nations this terrible judgement will not come to pass just as Nineveh was preserved in the time of Jonah.

 And  for those who wonder why I posted this is because abortions &  promiscuous  attitudes towards sex  and  this great apostasy  is exactly what "Modernism" is.  The  Illuminati are the great proponents of  "Modernism."   We as Catholics used to say an Oath against Modernism.
 
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