i'm a music lover but this bothers me a bit

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What a very interesting and fascinating article. As a musician, whose main instrument is the voice, it is even more compelling for me. It does support other articles and histories I’ve read on the cultures and beliefs throughout the centuries regarding Church music.

I do think there are a lot of things to take into account when you look at what the early Church fathers were dealing with at the time. One of them is how the instruments sounded and how they were used. A number of years back I gave 7th and 8th grade students a project of researching early instruments used in the medieval and renaissance times. ( I was a little overly ambitious as a 24 year old for my kids.). Their favorite part of the research papers was being able to hear the instruments, which I helped them find in the computer room for their research. A lot of them weren’t particularly pleasant to listen to. Some were very funny-sounding to our ears and there was a lot of laughter coming out of the classroom during those days of research. In a word, they were somewhat crude in sound and I could see how these instruments and how they were performed were better-suited for more “secular” or paganistic events. I can also see how people of the time might have considered it wrong or evil, but it is strange that evil would have been associated to an inanimate object. That said, it shouldn’t be surprising when people did use to associate good and evil with objects, color, etc. ie. In my 18th century movement classes the use of the left or right part of the body or entering from the left or right side of a stage would have indicated if a person was evil or angelic. It flowed I to real life as well. The use of the left hand was evil, for instance.

I also am reminded of how polyphony was also once considered “secular”, “licentious”, “inciting lust”, etc. Why? Because it started off as a secular form of music. It was rather crudely performed and later performed with more of a “bounce”, a little more spice compared to it’s sacred form. When you look at early secular polyphonic music and then sacred
polyphonic music, you do see a difference in the way it is performed. I experienced this in different choirs I’ve sung in which enjoyed performing early music.

Lastly, I think a lot of criticisms we hear today regarding the usage of certain instruments and styles of music used in the liturgy is similar and a more watered-down version of what the early Church Fathers talked about. The difference is that they were mostly talking about the instruments used outside of liturgy and most critics today don’t care about the instruments outside of the mass. Actually, we haven’t really changed that much.
 
No, I don’t, or more specifically, I’m not at the point yet where I’m about to start second-guessing our contemporary Church leaders and touting a return to 3rd-century standards.

Full disclosure: I am slowly slogging my way through the 37-volume set of the Church Fathers. I am currently in Volume 5, reading Cyprian. There’s a bunch of stuff that he railed against that is common behavior among Catholics in our times, and another bunch of stuff that he required that is unheard of today.
Returning to 3rd-century standards is probably not a good idea! There were a number of practices which, while considered normative then, would be questionable today. And the Church was still undergoing frequent, severe persecution (something Cyprian wrote extensively about).

The key here, is the difference between dogma and discipline. Dogma remains fixed; discipline can and does change according to the needs of various times and cultures.

When you get to the Ecumenical Councils, you will note that along with the dogmatic statements (statements of faith) which apply for all time, there are also numerous “disciplinary canons” following the statements of faith which were very time and place specific, and no longer apply.

Keep up your reading!
 
The key here, is the difference between dogma and discipline. Dogma remains fixed; discipline can and does change according to the needs of various times and cultures.
This is a concept that many people do not understand.
 
That’s one of the high points of my day. I use my Kindle’s read-out-loud function; it’s like hearing Cyprian dictate to me 😃
Do you mind sharing what set you are using to read? Sounds like the kind of thing I’d like to study myself! 👍
 
I also am reminded of how polyphony was also once considered “secular”, “licentious”, “inciting lust”, etc. Why? Because it started off as a secular form of music. It was rather crudely performed and later performed with more of a “bounce”, a little more spice compared to it’s sacred form. When you look at early secular polyphonic music and then sacred
polyphonic music, you do see a difference in the way it is performed. I experienced this in different choirs I’ve sung in which enjoyed performing early music.

Lastly, I think a lot of criticisms we hear today regarding the usage of certain instruments and styles of music used in the liturgy is similar and a more watered-down version of what the early Church Fathers talked about. The difference is that they were mostly talking about the instruments used outside of liturgy and most critics today don’t care about the instruments outside of the mass. Actually, we haven’t really changed that much.
Moreover, even today the Orthodox liturgy excludes the use of any musical instrument, precisely in the name of this tradition. Liturgical music should be purely vocal, instruments are secular per se and don’t belong in the church. An orchestral mass by Striggio or Mozart is something foreign to the Orthodox tradition.
 
Moreover, even today the Orthodox liturgy excludes the use of any musical instrument, precisely in the name of this tradition. Liturgical music should be purely vocal, instruments are secular per se and don’t belong in the church. An orchestral mass by Striggio or Mozart is something foreign to the Orthodox tradition.
Yes and although I do love the use of the organ and certain other instruments in the Latin Rite, I do find this tradition in the Orthodox liturgy very spiritually beautiful. Earlier this year I attended an aunt’s funeral who was Byzantine Catholic. There were no instruments. Only the voice of the cantor and then those of the congregation and priests. I remember the entire liturgy being sung and even remembered a few members in the congregation singing harmony. They unfortunately did not have musical notation with the words, so I could not join in. It was obviously something learned by rote since childhood.
 
Do you mind sharing what set you are using to read? Sounds like the kind of thing I’d like to study myself! 👍
I don’t mind at all. Here’s a link to the volume I’m currently reading. The enhanced editions are great, and $3.99 a volume – can’t beat that with a stick!

amazon.com/Ante-Nicene-Fathers-Enhanced-Version-Church-ebook/dp/B002CMLGWU/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1384481870&sr=1-3&keywords=ante-nicene+fathers+volume+5

Edit: Bear in mind that the editor, Philip Schaff, was a Reformed theologian/scholar, and his personal-comment footnotes need to be taken with a few grains of salt.
 
Let us not forget Ps 150:

Let Everything Praise the Lord

150 Praise the Lord!
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens![a]
2
Praise him for his mighty deeds;
praise him according to his excellent greatness!
3
Praise him with trumpet sound;
praise him with lute and harp!
4
Praise him with tambourine and dance;
praise him with strings and pipe!
5
Praise him with sounding cymbals;
praise him with loud clashing cymbals!
6
Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!
Praise the Lord!
 
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