I'm a one-issue voter

[richardwy]

See post #50…I think it says it all.

I’m with you. How dismal! Not being with you per se, but you know what I’m talking about.

I do think its a ruse. The whole Repub pro-life thing. And I think there are millions of Republican voters who are adamantly prolife. And some Repub pols who are too.

But standing back looking at the big picture, it galls.

 

[richardwy]

I can no longer support the Republican party-not only because of those facts, but also because of their stance on the death penalty (against Catholic teaching), pre-emptive war (which does not fit the Catholic definition of a Just War) and the lack of a preferential option for the poor. (also against Catholic teaching)

This is the way I’ve been leaning since reading a third of “The Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church.”

I’ll vote for sure. Probably will write in someone’s name.

 

[buffalo]

You have quoted the same Church teaching that we are all called to follow…what you have not explained is how you can reconcile that Church teaching with your support of the Republican party given the FACTS presented.

I can no longer support the Republican party-not only because of those facts, but also because of their stance on the death penalty (against Catholic teaching), pre-emptive war (which does not fit the Catholic definition of a Just War) and the lack of a preferential option for the poor. (also against Catholic teaching)

Here is why - the Dems have continually blocked any legislation. To override we would need more Dems. This is in regards to legislation. Look at the trouble they give them about abstinence education. Their rhetoric - lets make abortions legal and rare is baloney. Let’s do it through contraception, morning after pill, etc… It is still the party of death. We Catholics cannot support this.

Supreme Court - The justices by their nature neutralize the pro-life point of view. They are looking at the Consititution as well as precedent.

The way this has to be attacked is that a human being is being denied civil rights.

Do you think by abandoning the pro-life GOP and supporting the pro-death dems would be better? No way.

 

[estesbob]

You have quoted the same Church teaching that we are all called to follow…what you have not explained is how you can reconcile that Church teaching with your support of the Republican party given the FACTS presented.

I can no longer support the Republican party-not only because of those facts, but also because of their stance on the death penalty (against Catholic teaching), pre-emptive war (which does not fit the Catholic definition of a Just War) and the lack of a preferential option for the poor. (also against Catholic teaching)

Whether the Democrat Party has better policies for the poor is debateable but your claims that the Church the Church teaches the Iraq war and the Death Penatly are on par with abortion and your claim that the Church calls on Catholics to oppose both is categorically false. But you dont have to take my word for it-here what the Pope said(when he was still a Cardinal) stated:

. *Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
*

 

[richardwy]

Do you think by abandoning the pro-life GOP and supporting the pro-death dems would be better? No way.

How about praying for, financing, and grass-rooting for pro-culture of life Dems?

Don’t know outside of this thread how many exist. Maybe I should get on that one.

 

[buckr02]

How about praying for, financing, and grass-rooting for pro-culture of life Dems?

Don’t know outside of this thread how many exist. Maybe I should get on that one.

You think it would be better to start from the bottom within the democratic party as opposed to fostering the already existing notion within the republicans?

 

[Fitswimmer]

Here is why - the Dems have continually blocked any legislation. To override we would need more Dems. This is in regards to legislation. Look at the trouble they give them about abstinence education. Their rhetoric - lets make abortions legal and rare is baloney. Let’s do it through contraception, morning after pill, etc… It is still the party of death. We Catholics cannot support this.

Supreme Court - The justices by their nature neutralize the pro-life point of view. They are looking at the Consititution as well as precedent.

The way this has to be attacked is that a human being is being denied civil rights.

Do you think by abandoning the pro-life GOP and supporting the pro-death dems would be better? No way.

Excuses, excuses…everyone has one.

The Republicans had a clear majority very recently, they could have done anything they wanted without any Democrats blocking them-what did they do with it?

 

[richardwy]

Don’t lose hope, they do exist:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Casey,_Jr.

But the chances of them getting to the presidential election are practically 0, I don’t suspect he’d get anywhere close.

Buck,

Thanks for the link. Sent the Senator a question or two.

 

[buffalo]

Excuses, excuses…everyone has one.

The Republicans had a clear majority very recently, they could have done anything they wanted without any Democrats blocking them-what did they do with it?

Nope - any time they tried the Dems kicked it back under the guise of protecting a woman’s right to choose. Research the facts yourself.

 

[richardwy]

You think it would be better to start from the bottom within the democratic party as opposed to fostering the already existing notion within the republicans?

“Better?” Don’t know. Not like the Repub have really come through.

Talk is cheap. Mine included.

At this point, I’m game to try just about anything.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Nope - any time they tried the Dems kicked it back under the guise of protecting a woman’s right to choose. Research the facts yourself.

because you are unable to provide any?

 

[JimG]

Excuses, excuses…everyone has one.

The Republicans had a clear majority very recently, they could have done anything they wanted without any Democrats blocking them-what did they do with it?

I’m seeing a lot of excuses for voting for adamantly pro-abortion candidates.

 

[JimG]

I’m all in favor of Pro-Life Democrats. The question is, will these pro-life democrats vote to confirm strict constructionist judges, or will they vote with their party leadership to oppose any such nominees? And believe me, the Democratic party leadership will exert enormous pressure on any pro-life democrat.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I’m seeing a lot of excuses for voting for adamantly pro-abortion candidates.

Please tell me which candidate I’m going to vote for. Since I have yet to decide, I could use the information.

I only know which Party of liars will no longer receive my support.

 

[buffalo]

because you are unable to provide any?

Oh - now you got me started - we will start here:

PRO-LIFE LEGISLATION IN CONGRESS 2003: FINAL REPORT

 

[JimG]

Certainly there are many in the pro-life movement who feel that Republicans have failed to further advance the pro-life cause. Keep in mind that there are pro-life and pro-aborts in both major parties. And there is no “pro-life” party in existence.

Personally, I voted Democratic for most of my life. Even voted for Carter, who turned out to be one of the worst presidents ever. But I really felt betrayed when I realized that he had routinely been appointing ardent proabortionists to every level of the federal judiciary. It was the same with other Dem presidents. I came to the conclusion that I could no longer support the party of my youth since it had at its core leadership turned into a party of death.

 

[Ridgerunner]

How about praying for, financing, and grass-rooting for pro-culture of life Dems?

Well, they prolife Dem officeholders sure don’t exist in my state, and haven’t for decades. Not one. Well, there was one ancient democrat (not in my district) who was elected to Congress before Roe, and was re-elected until he died recently. A Zell Miller type. But, as I said, he died. Now it’s zero. Not one in the whole state. So which “prolife Dem” am I supposed to pray for, finance and support? That wouldn’t be either of the presidential candidates, both of whom back abortion wholeheartedly. So who then?

Looking for prolife Dem officeholders or contenders nowadays isn’t quite like looking under strawberry leaves for trooping fairies, but it’s the next closest thing.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Oh - now you got me started - we will start here:

PRO-LIFE LEGISLATION IN CONGRESS 2003: FINAL REPORT

For those who would like the site where this came from, I found it here: nchla.org/legisdisplay.asp?ID=49

You can also access similar reports for other years besides 2003-and you can find pro-life legislation being passed under Democratic Administrations as well. Here is the link for 1998 for example: nchla.org/legisdisplay.asp?ID=43

Perhaps, the real issue is NOT who ends up in the White House, but who ends up in the House and Senate.

 

[buffalo]

For those who would like the site where this came from, I found it here: nchla.org/legisdisplay.asp?ID=49

You can also access similar reports for other years besides 2003-and you can find pro-life legislation being passed under Democratic Administrations as well. Here is the link for 1998 for example: nchla.org/legisdisplay.asp?ID=43

Perhaps, the real issue is NOT who ends up in the White House, but who ends up in the House and Senate.

My point right along. You must vote pro-life even in local elections as these are usually the ones who go on to higher offices.

 

[JimG]

Perhaps, the real issue is NOT who ends up in the White House, but who ends up in the House and Senate.

It’s both, because the President nominates supreme court justices, but the Senate must confirm them.