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estesbob
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How does mastrubation and anal sex facilitate having offspring?
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JKing
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I wish! What you describe would be a lot better country than one that kills 3000+ of its own children EVERY DAY. Think about all the demographic and economic consequences of that, why don’t you?
How can you so glibly overlook this? Unless you vote purely on self-interest and think nothing of the good or the future of this country.
I believe I have thought it through.
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JKing
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I don’t think I agree with this. I believe all politicians get their start somewhere. And if we are going to let them in the door, so to speak, at the entry level local political positions, then they can climb the ladder. But I may be willing to be persuaded
I believe it is much better to know a person’s stance on life before they get my vote for dog-catcher.
Like I’ve said before, if they don’t get it when it comes to life issues, then I don’t trust their judgement on anything.
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myndsplyntur
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How about the fact that this nation is so far into debt that it is almost impossible to conceive how it will get out?
How about the fact that the government has borrowed and borrowed and borrowed against the social security fund, thus leaving people MY AGE particularly screwed for retirement?
How about the fact that this country is so incredibly reliant upon oil that we are paying nearly $4/gal for “the cheap stuff”?
How about the gross misuse of the funds that we taxpayers are handing over to the government, and no matter how “anti-abortion” they are, the people in government (at least now) have no concern for LIFE if you judge it based on this war.
How about the destruction of the environment?
Do you really need more examples?
It is your opinion that “it’s no big deal” to the young mothers who get abortions. Let me give you a personal example. All reasoning aside (and there is plenty of blame that has already been passed around), when my sister was 14 years old she managed to get herself pregnant. She got an abortion. At the time she was on drugs. So… if abortion hadn’t been legal, she would have had a baby that was strung out on drugs and dropped into an adoption agency. God only knows how many children have to grow up in the “system” - going from foster home to foster home, or forever staying in state’s custody, or when they are adopted they could potentially be adopted by an abusive family. Or even worse, a child could be reared in a drug infested environment.
The fact of the matter is that this abortion issue does not have a black / white answer, there’s always a gray area.
If that was the only thing people were voting for (mortgage, potholes) then I would say they are blind too. If you have to vote life at every issue, though, you need to look at a much bigger than you are (not necessarily YOU JKing, generally speaking here)…
Your work is encouraging and there needs to be more people like you in this world.
I just can’t understand where people get off trying to shove their religious convictions into the government.
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estesbob
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So if we kill more chidren the debt will get smaller?
Well I guess its necessary for the children to die-after all your retirement is far more important than 50 million or so dead children
Are you suggesting we should render dead children for the oil in their bodies?
Well the Pope, for one l, disagrees with you that this is a reason to support killing children. I am curious as to why the abortion on demand advocates got elected before there was a war in Iraq?
Musn’t allow too many children lest it obstruct you view!
You havent given me an example yet that rises anywhere near the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year,
I spent over 5 years counseling women who were either considering or had had an abortion. How about you?
I am sorry to hear about your sister-did her abortion make everything better? Was it necessary for her child to pay the ultmate price for her mistakes?
In civilized societies it should be a given that the morality of killing children should be black and white.
What is bigger than 50 million dead children?
Say what?
I just can’t understand where people get off trying to shove their secular relatavism convictions into the government
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nannygirl
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What?Wow. How dramatic. I was having a Mommie Dearest flashback for a moment there.
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Joe_Kelley
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Note that the biggest problem is that retirement has to be paid for by those of the next generation. By limiting the size of the next generation we have left too few to maintain the retirement to which we wanted to become accustomed.
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estesbob
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Kinda nice if there were 50 million more people paying into Soicial security
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nannygirl
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I suggest you get a copy of the constitution and read it. It would help you understand how our government is supposed to work.
There is no “Social Security Fund”. All the “Social Security” money that’s withheld from your paycheck goes directly into the general fund.
What religious convictions are in the government?
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nannygirl
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Sorry about your sister’s choice, but… well, I’m almost speechless. You really think your neice or nephew is better off dead? Instead of such a negative take on things, couldn’t you imagine your neice or nephew being loved and hugged and kissed by parents who waited years to adopt a baby? With that type of reasoning, all of us should just kill ourselves because something bad might “potentially” happen to us. Better to be dead, right?
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You just don’t get it.
That is why I put in there “at all”
In the current two party system we have, nearly every elected official has an affiliation with one or the other. So if a party professes to support abortion, I will not vote for any affiliated soas not to strengthen it.
But there are still elections where the winner simply cannot effect the issue. Whether directly through decisions the official can make, or indirectly through strengthening of a pro-death party.
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LCMS_No_More
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Noooooooooooo wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire hangeeeeeeeeeeeeerrs!What?
I highly suggest you rent that movie.
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nannygirl
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What?Noooooooooooo wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire hangeeeeeeeeeeeeerrs!
I highly suggest you rent that movie.
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LCMS_No_More
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Mommie Dearest starring Faye Dunaway. It’s a story about the life of Joan Crawford and her abuse of her adopted children Christina and Christopher. It’s really over-the-top dramatic…like the post about New York regulating trans-fats and the prohibition of smoking in the workplace to protect employees from second-hand smoke…What?
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nannygirl
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Over-the-top? Mommie Dearest? I can’t figure out what you’re talking about.
(It should be my choice whether I want to consume transfats or not and if I don’t want to be exposed to second-hand smoke, I’ll start my own business which bans smoking or I’ll work elsewhere. No Nanny state for me…but now we’re off the topic.
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LCMS_No_More
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Rent the movie and you’ll see.Over-the-top? Mommie Dearest? I can’t figure out what you’re talking about.
No thinking of the bigger picture here. Just me me me me me.(It should be my choice whether I want to consume transfats or not and if I don’t want to be exposed to second-hand smoke, I’ll start my own business which bans smoking or I’ll work elsewhere. No Nanny state for me…but now we’re off the topic.
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JKing
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None of these even come close!! This is so silly. National debt? You’re worried about your retirement!!! Oh my God!! Gas prices!!! How can you even begin to consider that these in any way approach the gravity of abortion. I do not accept that you can possibly believe this in the slightest!
War. Now you’re getting a little closer. We are prosecuting a war that may not be just. We may be sending our young volunteers into harms way for a cause that is not worth it. I am not in the loop on what’s really happening over there nor am I involved with the decision-making so I cannot judge. Of course I don’t trust any reporting in any paper or on any network on the war. It’s so far distant that we have no way of verifying their reporting and those people have zero integrity and twist all news to support their agendas, so I don’t watch/read any of it. But from what I hear several tens of thousands of Iraqis have lost their lives and somewhere around 4000 Americans. A lot of horrible injuries from roadside bombs and lots of young men and women that will never be the same. It’s awful, but it still pales in comparison. Not even close.
No. Please read what I wrote again. It is my opinion that these women are deluded into believing that it is no big deal. As I elaborated: they suffer for the rest of their lives.
Oh, your poor sister. I’ll pray for her. I will pray for the idiots who convinced her that it was her only option. I will pray for healing on your whole family. I will pray that your sister comes to understand that she still has a little one, an advocate and intercessor praying for her complete healing and hoping to meet her mommy when she is called home too.
Exactly. God only knows. You paint the bleakest possible picture, maybe to console your conscience. I am more optimistic. Some of those kids turn out OK. There are many many great men and women who had rough starts and better endings. We don’t get to choose our start, but we can choose our ends.
This is where I categorically disagree. You are espousing the moral relativist position which is just plain false. It is taught in all the schools, so I don’t blame you. The truth is that in every situation, there is a right and a wrong. I saw a great analogy somewhere a long time ago (maybe it was on this forum!) It’s as if you were looking at a newspaper that was half black and half white. Obviously black and white. But wait, if you zoom in on the border between the black half and the white half, you see some gray. Well if you keep zooming in, you will see that it is not really gray at all, but areas where the ink has splattered over into the white and you can see that it is really black bits and white bits. And, if you look even more closely at the borders between the black and white bits, it looks gray. But zoom in some more and you can see that some fibers have whicked the ink into the white areas so it looked gray but it’s really black parts of fibers and white parts of fibers. etc. etc. etc. So on a macro level we can say all abortion is wrong. But then we get closer to individual cases and we can see what is right and what is wrong by applying sound moral ethics as taught my the Church.
There are thousands… hundreds of thousands of people doing way more than I am to combat this dreadful scourge. There are a few naysayers on this thread who are discouraged because they don’t see any political results. I am greatly encouraged. We are one justice appointment away from overturning Roe. Many states in the middle of the country already have legislation on the books outlawing abortion on demand that will take effect as soon as that happens. More are beginning the process. The coasts need more prayer and work, but the middle of the country is showing some progress.
As for the incongruous statement you closed your post with. I’ll paraphrase GKC: Religious convictions are the only reasonable convictions to hold!
God love you
Jeff
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marymol
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Hope there would be enough persons like O.P who see the ’ one thing needed ’ - giving unto God what is His …the willingness to accept the truth that we belong to Him - from the smallest ( youngest) to…and that truth alone can be the foundation of all else that is good !
Ever since The Garden, we had the temptation to grab what is not ours , hoping it would somehow make it better …and we still have not learned that going against the will of The One whose will upholds all that is …is foolishness !
" Let the children come to Me" - our Lord, who breathes an eternal soul into a Mother’s Womb …and has the right to see the mother, the parents , the child doing His will, down through eternity … for them to have the abounding joy that they are doing the Will of The One they are to spend eternity with …
That choosing for the enemy has its tremedous repercussions too …may be more vast than that of what affects this universe itself , since the universe is a passing thing …
For those who doubt the power of God’s word and promises , the recent world events , such as what happened when the efforts for unity in The Church was carried out at an aceptable level - through pariticipation of a ’ moral totality ’ of the Bishops of East and West - in the consecration of Russia and the fall of communism that followed can be a good reminder !
’ I have come that they may have life ’ - may we be grateful !
May the mercy and prayers of the many who did not get to be born be with us all , to help all to walk the path of discerning and doing the Father’s Will !
Ever since The Garden, we had the temptation to grab what is not ours , hoping it would somehow make it better …and we still have not learned that going against the will of The One whose will upholds all that is …is foolishness !
" Let the children come to Me" - our Lord, who breathes an eternal soul into a Mother’s Womb …and has the right to see the mother, the parents , the child doing His will, down through eternity … for them to have the abounding joy that they are doing the Will of The One they are to spend eternity with …
That choosing for the enemy has its tremedous repercussions too …may be more vast than that of what affects this universe itself , since the universe is a passing thing …
For those who doubt the power of God’s word and promises , the recent world events , such as what happened when the efforts for unity in The Church was carried out at an aceptable level - through pariticipation of a ’ moral totality ’ of the Bishops of East and West - in the consecration of Russia and the fall of communism that followed can be a good reminder !
’ I have come that they may have life ’ - may we be grateful !
May the mercy and prayers of the many who did not get to be born be with us all , to help all to walk the path of discerning and doing the Father’s Will !
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