I'm a pro choice catholic, and this is why

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Hello everyone.
Before I begin, I will talk about the first trimester abortion, not the late term, I don’t know what to think about that. also some material here may offend some, I apologize if it does

I am here to say that I am a pro choice catholic. I’m also a teenager. Now probably many of you guys might not think that I am a catholic and although I still do consider myself as a catholic I would also like to know if there is something wrong with my views.

Now I felt I had to say this after watching this video, and I was disgusted by the pro life protesters ways of spreading their word. Contains graphic material, don’t watch if sensitive

youtube.com/watch?v=WMAZX6HRZT4

I was utterly disgusted how they would parade signs showing pictures of first trimester fetuses in front of kids and it is disgusting to everyone and it really does not give Catholics a good image. Its very humiliating. I also disagree with a few pro life arguments.

I do think abortion is definitely not good for anyone and its an extremely difficult decision but its not correct to have our politicians do pass laws that ban abortion completely. There are situations in which an abortion could be used to save a mother’s life. What about rape victims? Should they support a child they don’t want? I would not want to take care of a dog that I don’t want, let alone a child that requires many times more responsibility. Should I keep a child that I can’t afford, I don’t want to let it starve to death, since there are some parents who simply cannot, no matter what, provide food and shelter for kids.

I have a few rebuttals to other arguments, such as the one that every fetus has a potential for life. Every sperm cell has the ability to make a child once combined with an egg. Is it considered geonicide if millions of sperm cells die? they have potential to create a life. Is a chimera, which when two fertilized cells combine, the result of another child killing the other?

What do you think? I still believe and worship the same God you do and defend the faith as well. Thank you
 
I will point out that those protesters are just showing photos of abortions (I just watched the first minute of so of your video. I think I got the point). What is so disgusting about it? I don’t personally agree with that kind of protesting, but I don’t understand why pro-choice people are against showing what abortion is.

Also, the teaching of the Catholic Church is that a fetus is a person, not a potential life, not a potential person, not almost a person. A fetus is as much of a person as you or me. They deserve the same human rights that all of us deserve. Abortion is either killing a person, or not killing a person. There is nothing in between here. If it’s a difficult decision for the mother, it’s not because she’s getting rid of a bunch of cells. I had a mole removed once, and there was no pang on my conscience about it.
 
Its about as disgusting as an innocent kid being blown up after tripping on a cluster bomb or unexploded landmine. Also there was a YMCA nearby and as mentioned in the video, there were kids.
 
While showing those pictures in the presence of young children may not be prudent, it doesn’t change the fact that abortion is the deliberate termination of a life.
 
marty1818 said:
While showing those pictures in the presence of young children may not be prudent, it doesn’t change the fact that abortion is the deliberate termination of a life.
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But would a fetus be held accountable for unlawful killing, or manslaughter for the formation of a Chimera?
 
Sneaglebob said:
Hello everyone.
Before I begin, I will talk about the first trimester abortion, not the late term, I don’t know what to think about that. also some material here may offend some, I apologize if it does

I am here to say that I am a pro choice catholic. I’m also a teenager. Now probably many of you guys might not think that I am a catholic and although I still do consider myself as a catholic I would also like to know if there is something wrong with my views.

Now I felt I had to say this after watching this video, and I was disgusted by the pro life protesters ways of spreading their word. Contains graphic material, don’t watch if sensitive

youtube.com/watch?v=WMAZX6HRZT4

I was utterly disgusted how they would parade signs showing pictures of first trimester fetuses in front of kids and it is disgusting to everyone and it really does not give Catholics a good image. Its very humiliating. I also disagree with a few pro life arguments.

I do think abortion is definitely not good for anyone and its an extremely difficult decision but its not correct to have our politicians do pass laws that ban abortion completely. There are situations in which an abortion could be used to save a mother’s life. What about rape victims? Should they support a child they don’t want? I would not want to take care of a dog that I don’t want, let alone a child that requires many times more responsibility. Should I keep a child that I can’t afford, I don’t want to let it starve to death, since there are some parents who simply cannot, no matter what, provide food and shelter for kids.

I have a few rebuttals to other arguments, such as the one that every fetus has a potential for life. Every sperm cell has the ability to make a child once combined with an egg. Is it considered geonicide if millions of sperm cells die? they have potential to create a life. Is a chimera, which when two fertilized cells combine, the result of another child killing the other?

What do you think? I still believe and worship the same God you do and defend the faith as well. Thank you
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It is God who gives life. Let us respect and love human life, especially vulnerable life in a mother’s womb. - Pope Francis
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Hello friend, I am a Catholic teenager as well. I want to share one more quote from the Pope.
The pregnant woman doesn’t carry a toothbrush in her womb, nor a tumor. Science teaches that from the moment of conception, the new being has all the genetic code. It’s impressive. It’s not, therefore, a religious question but clearly a moral one, based on science.
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When the egg and sperm unite, the moment of conception, a new being is formed. We as Catholics believe that this new being (whatever you want to call it) has a soul and an inherent dignity that all humans share. Just think, you and I were both in our mother’s wombs for 9 months!

Aborting a child is wrong in all cases. You give examples of rape and parents worried about if they will be able to take care of the child. These are all legitimate concerns, but abortion needs to be out of the question. Every being in the womb has a soul, and that soul is only allowed to be taken home by the Lord Himself, not other humans.

The goal of the Pro-Life Movement is not to illegalize abortion and make women with unwanted pregnancies suffer. The goal is to show people that abortion does indeed end a life, a soul, a beautiful gift from God. We should not be the ones to end lives, especially the most vulnerable in the womb. The pictures you see in the video show the horror of abortion, and are only meant to convince people that we are killing precious lives.

I hope you understand. Please ask more questions, if you have any so you can understand the view of abortion from the Church’s side.

Now, a quote from Jesus Christ Himself.
The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me. - Matthew 25:40
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pgnat1 said:
Hello friend, I am a Catholic teenager as well. I want to share one more quote from the Pope.

When the egg and sperm unite, the moment of conception, a new being is formed. We as Catholics believe that this new being (whatever you want to call it) has a soul and an inherent dignity that all humans share. Just think, you and I were both in our mother’s wombs for 9 months!

Aborting a child is wrong in all cases. You give examples of rape and parents worried about if they will be able to take care of the child. These are all legitimate concerns, but abortion needs to be out of the question. Every being in the womb has a soul, and that soul is only allowed to be taken home by the Lord Himself, not other humans.

The goal of the Pro-Life Movement is not to illegalize abortion and make women with unwanted pregnancies suffer. The goal is to show people that abortion does indeed end a life, a soul, a beautiful gift from God. We should not be the ones to end lives, especially the most vulnerable in the womb. The pictures you see in the video show the horror of abortion, and are only meant to convince people that we are killing precious lives.

I hope you understand. Please ask more questions, if you have any so you can understand the view of abortion from the Church’s side.

Now, a quote from Jesus Christ Himself.
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Please also watch the Youtube video in my signature, down below - March for Life 2013
 
Is it considered geonicide if millions of sperm cells die? they have potential to create a life. Is a chimera, which when two fertilized cells combine, the result of another child killing the other?

No, it is not considered genocide if millions of sperm cells die. I suggest you read the following article: abort73.com/abortion/are_sperm_and_egg_cells_alive/

It gives a good rundown on the claim you made. It also is a rebuttal to Carl Sagan’s case for abortion.
 
Sneaglebob said:
Every sperm cell has the ability to make a child once combined with an egg. Is it considered geonicide if millions of sperm cells die? they have potential to create a life. Is a chimera, which when two fertilized cells combine, the result of another child killing the other?
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No, it is not considered genocide if millions of sperm cells die. I suggest you read the following article: abort73.com/abortion/are_sperm_and_egg_cells_alive/

It gives a good rundown on the claim you made. It also is a rebuttal to Carl Sagan’s case for abortion.
 
Sneaglebob said:
. What about rape victims? Should they support a child they don’t want? I would not want to take care of a dog that I don’t want, let alone a child that requires many times more responsibility. Should I keep a child that I can’t afford, I don’t want to let it starve to death, since there are some parents who simply cannot, no matter what, provide food and shelter for kids.
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Rape victims who become pregnant can always give the kid up for adoption.

People who become pregnant and can’t afford a child can always turn to adoption, as well. What if these tiny humans were the ones who could cure cancer? These lives were terminated before they could even have the chance to start.
 
Those people probably shouldn’t have shown those graphic pictures. There are other ways to get people to become pro-life other than showing them graphic pictures.

Please allow me to clarify something for you, the Church allows abortion when the life of the mother is in danger.

As for the rape argument, why would you kill an innocent child? That child had nothing to do with the rape. He/she is just an innocent soul caught in the middle. Why would you want to kill him/her?

I don’t mean to be cruel, but a husband and a wife shouldn’t have kids if they cannot financially support the child.

Right above my parish’s door, they is a sign saying “Adoption, not Abortion.” I agree with this. Choose adoption and let the child live. Every child deserves a chance.

The reason why the Church makes excommunication the punishment for abortion is because, when you commit an abortion, you not only kill the child, you prevent its soul from entering heaven for eternity. How can you live with that on your conscience? Just about every day, a child is prevented from entering eternal happiness because of an abortion. The logic is, if you prevent the child from entering heaven, then you shouldn’t go to heaven either.

You should watch your mouth. Some bishops wouldn’t hesitate to deny you the Eucharist because of your beliefs. I know my bishop wouldn’t.
 
bben15 said:
Please allow me to clarify something for you, the Church allows abortion when the life of the mother is in danger.
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The Church does not allow abortion in any situation. Abortion is the deliberate killing of a baby and it is never acceptable.
 
bben15 said:
Please allow me to clarify something for you, the Church allows abortion when the life of the mother is in danger.
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Important point of further clarification: The Church never allows direct, intentional abortion. The Church allows, in accord with the moral theological principle of “double effect” the treating of disease in the pregnant woman with the intent to cure the disease. The classic example is the removal of the Fallopian tube which contains a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy.

At that, every effort should be made to preserve both mother and baby if at all possible. But if the mother’s life is in immediate danger from the Fallopian tube, it may be surgically removed even if the unintended “double effect” means the baby can’t survive - but you can’t poison or otherwise harm the baby directly and then remove the tube. **

OP, you seem to be at the age where you are questioning these issues and please pray and keep your mind open that perhaps the Church is right about them, and you’re just questioning to be able to internalize them in a thought-out manner. May God bless and guide you to arrive at His truth and love.
 
marty1818 said:
The Church does not allow abortion in any situation. Abortion is the deliberate killing of a baby and it is never acceptable.
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Well, yes. A doctor has an obligation to try to save both lives. But, if the mother is going to die unless the fetus is aborted, then the doctor has an obligation to save a life. If the mother dies, then the fetus might die too, unless a C-section is performed soon. In this case, again, the doctor has an obligation to save a life.
 
We dont have a ‘choice’ Only God has the right to end a life, regardless of unwanted pregnancy whether it be by a crime of rape or incest. Only God has the right to end a life. There is no such thing as pro-choice Catholic.

Thou shalt not kill. It’s as simple as that. Women dont have the ‘right’ to choose either, that would make them God, and that cannot be.

Should we also give sleeping pills to old people? Even old people who want to die? or have cancer and will die anyway? No, No, and No.

From the moment of conception, hours after intercourse, a human is formed with a soul. Everything from that moment on is between the soul and God, not it’s mother, not its father, not even a doctor.
 
bben15 said:
But, if the mother is going to die unless the fetus is aborted, then the doctor has an obligation to save a life.
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Still not acceptable since the child is being aborted. Read the post by 3DOCTORS regarding double effect to understand what is acceptable when a mother’s life is threatened.
 
Sneaglebob said:
Hello everyone.
Before I begin, I will talk about the first trimester abortion, not the late term, I don’t know what to think about that. also some material here may offend some, I apologize if it does

I am here to say that I am a pro choice catholic. I’m also a teenager. … I was disgusted by the pro life protesters ways of spreading their word. Contains graphic material, don’t watch if sensitive

What do you think? I still believe and worship the same God you do and defend the faith as well. Thank you
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Dearest Sneaglebob, I’m happy you are here looking to share your views and to understand the views of those who respect all life, including the life of the least of our bothers, the life safe in the womb of her mother.

Dr. Suess says it well in Horton Hears A Who, “A person’s a person, no matter how small.”

I think you would enjoy reading Abby Johnson’s Book unPlanned. She chronicals her volunteer work at Planned Parenthood helping mothers have abortions. She shares how she was offended by those who protested outside the abortion mill fence with “Murderer” signs. She tells about those who loving prayed outside the abortion mill.

Having had two abortions herself, one surgical before being a volunteer, and one chemical as a volunteer, she thought she was helping women. Her heart took a drastic change when as Director of the Planned Parenthood Clinic she was asked to hold the ultrasound wand while the abortionist performed an ultrasound guided abortion. Her heart dropped as she witness the little child trying to move herself away from the abortionist’s tool. Her eyes were opened to seeing a real live child having her body torn apart. Abby left the Abortion Mill that day and went to the office of the Coalition for Life, the office of those who prayed outside of her abortion mill every day.

Abby quit her job as Director of Planned Parenthood. Today, she shares with others her story and is a strong advocate for Life, all Life, Life in the womb of mothers.

I think you will enjoy her book

unplannedthebook.com/ You can read or hear Chapter 1 of unPlanned.

From Coalition for Life,the 40 Days for Life international campaign was formed, praying peacefully outside abortion mills. In fact, to participate in a 40 Days campaign, prayer warriors sign a statement that they will pray peacefully outside the abortion mills.

Check out 40 Days for Life, as well. 40daysforlife.com/

Women see prayer warriors praying outside the abortion clinic as they pull up to abort the precious child in their womb. Those prayers reach these women who often come down to the sidewalk and talk with the prayer warriors. They find hope in the prayers offered for them and often decide to keep their precious child.

So many of these mothers coming to abort their children do so because they feel they have no choice. With prayer, they see there is choice. They see abortion is not their only option.

Even for the mother who continues with her abortion and leaves angry and yelling at the prayer warriors, those prayers are not wasted. Their little child had the honor of having someone praying at their death bed. That child knows from heaven, that they did not die alone, that people were praying for them just as if they were dying in a loving hospital.

For the post abortive mother, those prayers can help her begin to heal. She most likely will suffer a lifetime for the child she lost to abortion. Those prayers can begin her healing, even if she only feels anger and hatred towards the prayer warrior.

Peace to you dear Sneaglebob.
 
marty1818 said:
Still not acceptable since the child is being aborted. Read the post by 3DOCTORS regarding to double effect.
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If you ask me, it’s better to save the fetus rather than the mother, if possible. The mother is most likely baptized, and she will enter eternal happiness. However, if the fetus dies, he/she won’t go to heaven because he/she hasn’t been baptized. However, that’s just me.
 
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