I'm a pro choice catholic, and this is why

[Abbigaelann]

Oh my sweetheart. Please read that section of the catechism. It is beautiful. It is also the same wording that some health insurance policies use. It negates your health objections. I do worry about many pro lifers in their lack of education. They will freak any time they see the word ‘abortion’. There is medical terminology, that past or before a certain point in a pregnancy, is termed something like spontaneous abortion. Now, this sometimes can be chemically induced but often, it is a word for the mother’s body naturally throwing off the fetus, i.e. a miscarriage as we know it. What a lot of teens don’t know, and to quote a health professional as to why we are not told, “otherwise they wouldn’t use it” when asked if the pill could cause a miscarriage…In cases of rape, we pray that the mother can love enough of herself in that child to bear that child. Trauma of rape is not easy…but we pray and are supportive of the mother. As far as poverty, do you know how many adoptive parents wait for the chance to raise a child? And personally, I don’t care to see any loving mother give up a child-they must go through the same grieving process as if it were a death. My philosophy: egg meets sperm. zygote. individual human life form. individual human rights.

Mom of 5

 

[ahbet]

Hello All!
please excuse me while I get on my “high horse” about abortion. I am highly anti-abortion and here is my side of the story.
The Catholic Church defines abortion:

“procured abortion is the deliberate and direct killing, by whatever means it is carried out, of a human being in the initial phase of his or her existence, extending from conception to birth.”
Evangelium Vitae, John Paul II, 25 March 1995 (Encyclical)

This is a beautiful read all around. Translates as “Gospel of Life” and touches on issues of life not just abortion.

If you want more docs to read go to the Vatican site (vatican.va/phome_en.htm) search for:

“DECLARATION ON PROCURED ABORTION” or “INSTRUCTION ON RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE IN ITS ORIGIN AND ON THE DIGNITY OF PROCREATION
REPLIES TO CERTAIN QUESTIONS OF THE DAY” (aka Donum Vitae) both
by Sacred Congregation For the Doctrine of the Faith, or
Code of Canon Law Can. 1398
The Church Fathers also wrote on abortion beginning with the “Didache”, then onto Tertullian to St. Basil and St Augustine to name a few.

No one (the Church included) can determine the moment of ensoulment. (Similar to the moment when the soul leaves the body at death) Still, life starts at conception.

Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. To save the life of the mother morally licit. I do suggest you check the biography of Saint Gianna Beretta Molla at her official site: http://saintgianna.org/main.htm

In the case of rape or incest (as Jon S mentioned) the baby did not ask that her father be a rapist. A Catholic, in the case of rape or incest, an emergency contraceptive such as Plan B One Step (the “morning after” pill) is permissible, if there is no current pregnancy. This is the pill they sell OTC to kids 17 and older. On the other hand, It is in no way permissible to take the “the abortion pill”. This is mifepristone, also known by the name “RU-486”…causes a nearly spontaneous abortion.:
(Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services 36) usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/health-care/upload/Ethical-Religious-Directives-Catholic-Health-Care-Services-fifth-edition-2009.pdf

I watched the video Sneaglebob posted. whatever. That is not abortion. Go to STOP GENOCIDE:
stopgenocide.cz/?a=15.

Want a really good look at what abortion is??? go here:
youtube.com/watch?v=s5ILndK3aDg
It’s a 27 minute video named “Eclipse of Reason”

NOTE these pages are graphic. REALLY. Sneaglebob, sorry but this makes your video look like a Disney flick. PLEASE DO NOT GO TO EITHER SITE IF YOU ARE REALLY SQUEAMISH OR EASILY DISTURBED BY ABORTION PHOTOS.

Did you know that since Roe vs Wade in 1973, in the U.S. there have been about 56,000,000 (yup, that’s 56 MILLION) abortions. In the fiscal year 2011-2012 Planned Parenthood alone performed 333,964 abortions.

If you have iTunes, check out an anti-abortion song “Execution”
By Grammatrain. sick but true.

I think I am done for now. Thank you all for listening to me rant!

 

[aquohn]

If you ask me, it’s better to save the fetus rather than the mother, if possible. The mother is most likely baptized, and she will enter eternal happiness. However, if the fetus dies, he/she won’t go to heaven because he/she hasn’t been baptized. However, that’s just me.

My dear boy, this pattern of thinking is known as consequentialism, a damnable, heretical, if naive, system of morality. It is flat-out wrong, evil, and completely contrary to the faith. The consequences of an action, spiritual or physical, can never justify an intrinsically immoral act. Murder is intrinsically immoral. Death, not so. Letting a person die is not intrinsically immoral. Hence there are some circumstances in which it would be permissible to let a person die, but none in which it would be permissible to murder (i.e. kill an innocent person, e.g. a foetus).

Bl. John Henry Cardinal Newman says it best, methinks:

The Catholic Church holds it better for the sun and moon to drop from heaven, for the earth to fail, and for all the many millions on it to die of starvation in extremest agony, as far as temporal affliction goes, than that one soul, I will not say, should be lost, but should commit one single venial sin, should tell one wilful untruth, or should steal one poor farthing without excuse.

Catholic ethics in one sentence.

If you’re the sort that likes exceedingly thick books on the thought of long-dead persons, here is an Aristotelico-Thomist explanation of why abortion is wrong: edwardfeser.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/act-and-potency.html

 

[josh987654321]

Now I felt I had to say this after watching this video, and I was disgusted by the pro life protesters ways of spreading their word. Contains graphic material, don’t watch if sensitive

youtube.com/watch?v=WMAZX6HRZT4

Am I reading this correctly? Did we watch the same clip?

If your so disgusted by those images, than why are you pro-choice? I was disgusted at the pro-choice advocates in the clip.

It’s not her body her choice. I find it extremely offensive when someone says that, it reeks of arrogance, it’s saying “while ever a life is dependant on me it’s my choice whether I take that life or not, thus while ever someone is dependant on me, I should have the right to end their life if I wish.”

Do you ever wonder how the Nazis could do such things to the Jews? how the dehumanization of the Jews took place? It’s the exact same way that Abortion is justified and taking place, it’s the dehumanization of the child (fetus) growing within the mothers womb.

My question is, when do you think life begins? is there some magic point you think up like at first breath? So I guess when the baby moves in the womb it’s just involuntary spasms right?

I was utterly disgusted how they would parade signs showing pictures of first trimester fetuses in front of kids and it is disgusting to everyone and it really does not give Catholics a good image. Its very humiliating. I also disagree with a few pro life arguments.

Doesn’t give Catholics a good image? are you kidding me, what about pro-choice supporters, Abortion supporters ought to be the ones with the bad image. These people are simply showing you the reality of what you support and you are offended at that?

I do think abortion is definitely not good for anyone and its an extremely difficult decision but its not correct to have our politicians do pass laws that ban abortion completely.

Yes they should pass laws to ban Abortion. It’s absolutely Murder.

There are situations in which an abortion could be used to save a mother’s life.

It’s never black and white like that. Besides Doctors always try to save both and they focus on the one with the least chance of survival, why is the Child dehumanized?

What about rape victims?

What about the Child? If my father breaks the law does that mean I should go to jail?

Should they support a child they don’t want?

How can anyone play the victim with Abortion? it’s beyond belief to me. If they don’t want their child they should give it up for adoption, not kill it.

I would not want to take care of a dog that I don’t want, let alone a child that requires many times more responsibility.

So instead you would have an innocent defenceless child killed? how Christian of you

You are in serious danger of the fires of hell when you view the greatest gift of God (life) as a curse.

Wasn’t it Jesus who said “If you see someone as worthless, you will be in danger of the fires of hell” and yet those pro-choices view the innocent child in the mothers womb as worthless, referring to the child as a fetus in an effort to lessen the childs worth.

Should I keep a child that I can’t afford, I don’t want to let it starve to death, since there are some parents who simply cannot, no matter what, provide food and shelter for kids.

Give it up to adoption if you see Gods greatest gift as a curse.

I have a few rebuttals to other arguments, such as the one that every fetus has a potential for life.

:dts: How about that the fetus (Child) is a life? or do you think a child magically comes to life after it’s first breath and when the child moves in the womb that it’s just involuntary spasms or something?

Every sperm cell has the ability to make a child once combined with an egg. Is it considered geonicide if millions of sperm cells die? they have potential to create a life. Is a chimera, which when two fertilized cells combine, the result of another child killing the other?

No. When on earth do you think life begins? It’s clearly at the moment of conception, there is no question about it.

What do you think? I still believe and worship the same God you do and defend the faith as well. Thank you

I think that’s like a Nazi (who isn’t involved in the death camps) saying that he doesn’t think the death camps are that bad and that he still believes and worships the same God we do.

I apologise if this has offended you or anyone else, but It is beyond belief how people could advocate Abortion to me, you need to wake up to the reality of Abortion.

A Mother who has an Abortion condemns her child never to see the light of day and condemns herself never to see the light of heaven. The greatest gift of God is life, how could you advocate the destruction of such a gift?

Mark121359 said it best when he quoted Mother Teresa.

"But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?" Blessed Mother Teresa

Peace, Mark

Note: Again I apologise if I have offended anyone, Abortion is just one of those issues that makes my blood boil because of the dehumanization and justification of such evil.

I also don’t want to incite anyone to commit immoral acts in trying to combat this evil like that man did who killed an Abortionist.

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Euphon]

I was firmly, ardently “pro-choice” when I was the OP’s age, and considerably after. I believed the government, and the church, had no possible justification for forcing a woman to undergo pregnancy, or indeed to interfere with her reproductive choices at all. What possible right could anyone have to do that?

When my wife was pregnant with our first son, we went for the 12-week scan and burst into tears as we heard his tiny heartbeat, watched him on the ultrasound squirming around, trying to move away from the probe, looked at his eyes, looked at his feet. At the 20-week scan, we saw his little face, immediately recognisable not just as a human baby but as our son, with recognisable facial features from us and his grandparents. (This is before I’d ever held a baby in my arms, ever felt the responsibility of caring for this tiny thing - not just as a father, but as a human, as part of our race looking after those who come into this world naked and defenceless.)

And UK law would happily have allowed us to have waited another four weeks, and then to have had him brutally killed for our convenience, had we so wished, with very few questions asked.

And now I’m as staunchly pro-life as they come.

I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, I’m not so arrogant that I believe anecdotal evidence that a foetus is actually a human will convince people. But I do believe that “pro-choice” is a perfidious slogan, a cuddly phrase that avoids the real issue at hand, a phrase that could easily be applied to any despicable action that “society just doesn’t understand”. I suppose “pro-foetus-killing” isn’t as catchy.

 

[april32010]

If they don’t want their child they should give it up for adoption, not kill it.

if someone doesn’t want children,they shouldn’t have sex.

 

[josh987654321]

Hello friend, I am a Catholic teenager as well. I want to share one more quote from the Pope.

The pregnant woman doesn’t carry a toothbrush in her womb, nor a tumor. Science teaches that from the moment of conception, the new being has all the genetic code. It’s impressive. It’s not, therefore, a religious question but clearly a moral one, based on science.

Thank you pgnat1, I especially like what you quoted from the Pope.

We dont have a ‘choice’ Only God has the right to end a life, regardless of unwanted pregnancy whether it be by a crime of rape or incest. Only God has the right to end a life. There is no such thing as pro-choice Catholic.

Thou shalt not kill. It’s as simple as that. Women dont have the ‘right’ to choose either, that would make them God, and that cannot be.

Amen

I am a nurse. I don’t know everything about medicine, but I do know that after multiple conversations with doctors about “necessary abortion”, there is never a situation where medically a choice must be made between the life of the mother and child. There just isn’t a case that is that black and white.

I too don’t agree with using graphic pictures or videos of abortion. I don’t think this is persuasive at all and I agree about the risk of small children seeing it. But do you see the irony in that you support what you call “disgusting”? There truly is no surgery you could observe that would be as offensive and disturbing as an abortion.

When I was in nursing school long ago, my Catholic mother-of-4 labor and delivery nurse clinical instructor calmly told my clinical group how she had to assist in an abortion of a 24 week fetus. Her job? To reassemble the fetus in a metal pan during the procedure to make sure that an arm, leg or other piece wasn’t left behind. Really picture that. I haven’t been able to drop that image from my mind since i heard it long ago. Truly, this is what you support? It is worth preserving a woman’s “choice” to do that to a baby? Are you aware that the CDC/NIH has said that a fetus may feel pain as early as 7 weeks?

Carrying a pregnancy after rape is tough. I have tremendous admiration for women who follow through on this. But at the same time, people suffer more horrible burdens every single day. Sometimes a person just has to be told to be brave. And honestly, I think the burden is intensified by people telling a rape victim that abortion will alleviate her suffering. How about supporting those women financially, emotionally, spiritually instead? Do you think planned parenthood and NOW offer that? Not a chance.

Thank you for sharing that with us Caroline723.

I’ll admit it’s pretty disturbing. But keep in mind that each of those pictures shows the result of an abortion. If it’s disturbing to even see the aftermath of abortion, imagine how awful the procedure itself must be.

Exactly

**Graphic pictures ARE hard to look at, and I don’t know if those in that setting are
appropriate or not. The pictures of the Holocaust victims after WWII, and the pictures of American slaves with whip scars
on their backs are also hard to look at. But people need to see what is actually going on.

People that are Pro-Choice are saying that not all stages of humanity are equal. A human man doesn’t physically stop growing until he is approx. 21 years old, and certain parts of his brain until he is 25. So until then, a human male is just in a stage of growth. So you are saying that it is O.K. to kill this male at 24 weeks of his growing stage ? How about at 40 weeks of his growing stage? 2 years into his growing stage ? 10 years into his growing stage ? Remember, he is still not completely formed human being yet. So why is it O.K. to you to kill this human at 24 or 40 weeks old, and not at 2, 10 or 18 years old ? After all, these are all just the stages of a human beings growth cycle.**

Amen :clapping:
Thank you Tuscany.

Hello All!
please excuse me while I get on my “high horse” about abortion. I am highly anti-abortion

Want a really good look at what abortion is??? go here:
youtube.com/watch?v=s5ILndK3aDg
It’s a 27 minute video named “Eclipse of Reason”

Me too

Thank you for the youtube clip, I liked most at the start the quote from the prisoner at Auschwitz, Elie Wiesel who said -

We must always take sides, neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim, silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

God Bless you all including Sneaglebob, I hope you will wake up to the reality of Abortion.

Thank you all for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

if someone doesn’t want children,they shouldn’t have sex.

True, but rape cases are different and I am sympathetic to that (not Abortion though), Abortion is not the answer and the immorality of it is not lessened due to such circumstances. It’s like someone being abused as a kid and than growing up to abuse others, I am sympathetic to why they are abusers however that does not justify such abuse. In the same way I am sympathetic to why such women may want an Abortion but that does not justify an Abortion.

God Bless.

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[fix]

Hello everyone.
Before I begin, I will talk about the first trimester abortion, not the late term, I don’t know what to think about that. also some material here may offend some, I apologize if it does

I am here to say that I am a pro choice catholic. I’m also a teenager. Now probably many of you guys might not think that I am a catholic and although I still do consider myself as a catholic I would also like to know if there is something wrong with my views.

Now I felt I had to say this after watching this video, and I was disgusted by the pro life protesters ways of spreading their word. Contains graphic material, don’t watch if sensitive

youtube.com/watch?v=WMAZX6HRZT4

I was utterly disgusted how they would parade signs showing pictures of first trimester fetuses in front of kids and it is disgusting to everyone and it really does not give Catholics a good image. Its very humiliating. I also disagree with a few pro life arguments.

I do think abortion is definitely not good for anyone and its an extremely difficult decision but its not correct to have our politicians do pass laws that ban abortion completely. There are situations in which an abortion could be used to save a mother’s life. What about rape victims? Should they support a child they don’t want? I would not want to take care of a dog that I don’t want, let alone a child that requires many times more responsibility. Should I keep a child that I can’t afford, I don’t want to let it starve to death, since there are some parents who simply cannot, no matter what, provide food and shelter for kids.

I have a few rebuttals to other arguments, such as the one that every fetus has a potential for life. Every sperm cell has the ability to make a child once combined with an egg. Is it considered geonicide if millions of sperm cells die? they have potential to create a life. Is a chimera, which when two fertilized cells combine, the result of another child killing the other?

What do you think? I still believe and worship the same God you do and defend the faith as well. Thank you

Pro choice is political propaganda. It is pro abortion.

It is nice that you only allow people that have not been aborted to decide who gets killed or not.

 

[Rachel126]

Correct, not only “not prudent” but this borders on child abuse.

I agree totally.
Showing those pictures to children (or in a way where children might see them) is completely incorrect. It’s not justifiable to say “well, it’s reality, so let kids see it.” You wouldn’t let your young child watch a grisly cop drama that showed multiple bloody murders. Even though those types of murders really do happen. It’s still not appropriate to show it to a child.

 

[Rachel126]

if someone doesn’t want children,they shouldn’t have sex.

So you are against adoption then, really?
There are even sometimes married couples who give a child up for adoption because they genuinely feel that is what is best.
I’m sorry but this kind of attitude is NOT helpful to anyone in the pro-life cause.

 

[sweetpetunia]

I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, I’m not so arrogant that I believe anecdotal evidence that a foetus is actually a human will convince people.

Clearly you misunderstand what anecdotal evidence means. Unless you just misspoke and meant “evidence”, not “anecdotal evidence”. It is a scientific FACT that a new, genetically distinct human life begins @ conception. This is not disputed by biologists anywhere.

Further, it is not at all arrogant to believe that people who see that a fetus is an actual human being will become against killing them. It’s called human rights, and there are intellectually honest atheists as well as theists, who are prolife for this very reason.

 

[EasterJoy]

Hello everyone.
Before I begin, I will talk about the first trimester abortion, not the late term, I don’t know what to think about that. also some material here may offend some, I apologize if it does

I am here to say that I am a pro choice catholic. I’m also a teenager. Now probably many of you guys might not think that I am a catholic and although I still do consider myself as a catholic I would also like to know if there is something wrong with my views.

Now I felt I had to say this after watching this video, and I was disgusted by the pro life protesters ways of spreading their word. Contains graphic material, don’t watch if sensitive

youtube.com/watch?v=WMAZX6HRZT4

I was utterly disgusted how they would parade signs showing pictures of first trimester fetuses in front of kids and it is disgusting to everyone and it really does not give Catholics a good image. Its very humiliating. I also disagree with a few pro life arguments.

I do think abortion is definitely not good for anyone and its an extremely difficult decision but its not correct to have our politicians do pass laws that ban abortion completely. There are situations in which an abortion could be used to save a mother’s life. What about rape victims? Should they support a child they don’t want? I would not want to take care of a dog that I don’t want, let alone a child that requires many times more responsibility. Should I keep a child that I can’t afford, I don’t want to let it starve to death, since there are some parents who simply cannot, no matter what, provide food and shelter for kids.

I have a few rebuttals to other arguments, such as the one that every fetus has a potential for life. Every sperm cell has the ability to make a child once combined with an egg. Is it considered geonicide if millions of sperm cells die? they have potential to create a life. Is a chimera, which when two fertilized cells combine, the result of another child killing the other?

What do you think? I still believe and worship the same God you do and defend the faith as well. Thank you

I don’t think you’re going to like what I think, OP, because I think you’re a fine person to talk about being disgusted.

In what way is it “worship” to take a big bite out of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, believing the lie that “your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods who know what is good and what is bad”. (Gen. 3:5) You seem to think you can change right and wrong by argument! Where did you get that idea? How is that a worshipful attitude?

A fetus is not potentially alive, but truly alive. I took biology, you took biology, let’s not mince words or rationalize that you have a license to kill anyone that you believe would have died a natural death, anyway. If you really do worship the same God I do, then presumably you know that you’re not God.

You say, “I would not want to take care of a dog that I don’t want, let alone a child that requires many times more responsibility.” Oy, vey. Why are there more people who would scream if you put a perfectly healthy dog to sleep because you couldn’t take care of it that have no problem with aborting a perfectly healthy child because they don’t want to take care of her? Who equates her own child with a dog, as if even a dog was a commodity that deserves to live in whatever way is convenient for you? Do you know how much painkiller is administered to an aborted fetus? None!! And gosh, if the only person who could keep you alive (your mother, just incidentally) had you killed in her presence because it was too much bother to keep you alive, would you take a lot of consolation in knowing that it was an “extremely difficult decision” for her? Not half so difficult as it’s going to be for you, kiddo! As for the starvation ploy, should we go euthanize all the starving or homeless people in the world, so they don’t have to suffer? Really?

Do you know why people are showing such graphic pictures? Because they’re tired of people rationalizing abortion away as something other than what it is. It is a risky strategy these days, though, because of course it is the anti-abortion picketer who is going to be blamed for the grisly nature of what is going on, not the people who want to have that same picture lived out as it has behind closed doors and out of their sight 50 million times since 1973.

The reason those pictures are upsetting is because they are exactly what “pro-choice” advocates want to deny that they are. If those were pictures of an uncooked beef steak or hearts ready for donation or even a picture of what a smoker’s cancerous lung really looked like, who would be screaming that they are unfit for children to look at? If the Pentagon were doing that to detainees at Guantanamo, would this fellow be screaming that the pictures should be hidden, lest a child see what rationalizing voters and pro-torture advocates want to deny was happening in the name of “preserving our freedoms”? I highly doubt it.

The reason that pro-choice advocates do not want children looking at pictures like that is because they are lying to themselves and lying to their children about what abortion is, and they don’t want to admit it. They are advocating for a “freedom” that is bought at the price of a death, and facing that is more than they want to do. Well, sorry. If that is the price of your “freedoms”, then be willing to let that be known. If you can’t do that, examine yourself for why that is.

 

[gardenswithkids]

I am prolife, but I also don’t like graphic images of abortion. I find them disturbing to look at, but I find it disturbing to look at pictures of just about any dead human, especially when bodies are bloody and torn apart. Just because you and I may not like the way some pro-lifers attempt to change hearts and minds about abortion and just because some may not present convincing arguments, that doesn’t mean that the pro-life position is wrong. Don’t let people keep you from considering the pro-life side simply because you don’t like their arguments.

Look inside your heart. You recognize that abortion isn’t good for anyone. Think about not just the women, but about the other people involved in abortion-- people like the clinic workers. Here’s an article about a retreat held for former workers at abortion clinics. lifesitenews.com/news/i-still-grieve-former-abortion-workers-find-healing-at-retreat-with-abby-jo

Bitter divorce, broken families, drug and alcohol abuse, and abortions in their own pasts were all major factors in these women’s decisions to initially begin working in the abortion industry. “I’m angry at my ex husband… the abuse,” said ‘Amy,’ who was employed by Planned Parenthood for many years. “I felt worthless and thought ‘what difference does it make where I work?’” …Going into the abortion industry, it is not unusual for a person to be told “Don’t worry, you won’t actually have to participate in the abortions.” This happened with most of the women who attended the retreat. Although they may have been initially be uncomfortable with the idea of working in an abortion clinic, this justification helped push that discomfort aside. “It wasn’t long before they were in the procedure rooms, directly assisting in the abortion process.” ‘Mary’ described the introductory process to helping in abortions as she recalled: “First, you’d just sit in a chair by the door when they happened. Then, they would have you stand by the door. Eventually you’d come closer, and then suddenly you’re at the edge of the bed actually helping with the procedure. They did it that way because most people don’t make it through the first one.”

By having abortion legal, it means that not only are women having abortions on occasions, but it means that staff has to go into facilities that perform abortion on a daily basis. There have been news stories recently about the horrendously unsanitary conditions in some abortion clinics. Even if the clinics aren’t filthy, the fact remains that people still work there, and every day at work they don’t just see photos of aborted babies.

If you don’t even want to* look* at a photo of an aborted baby, think about the clinic workers who see a lot more than pictures.

 

[Tigg]

Now I felt I had to say this after watching this video, and I was disgusted by the pro life protesters ways of spreading their word. Contains graphic material, don’t watch if sensitive

youtube.com/watch?v=WMAZX6HRZT4

I was utterly disgusted how they would parade signs showing pictures of first trimester fetuses in front of kids and it is disgusting to everyone and it really does not give Catholics a good image. Its very humiliating. I also disagree with a few pro life arguments.

So these graphic pix offend your sensibilities? They do mine as well. But this is what we DO!

In stark reality, these pictures portray exactly what a civilized society is capable of - the same body that deems it a felony to mistreat animals, yet can kill its own young.

Satan would love for us to divert our eyes from this atrocity - after all, when evil stays hidden it gains strength and is easier to deny. No, I would rather everyone look at these pictures - to study them and weep over the carnage…maybe our tears will assuage the anger of God.

 

[sweetpetunia]

Its about as disgusting as an innocent kid being blown up after tripping on a cluster bomb or unexploded landmine. Also there was a YMCA nearby and as mentioned in the video, there were kids.

Yes, abortion is definitely as disgusting as an innocent kid being blown up after tripping on a cluster bomb or unexploded landmine. And yet you say you are in favor of it. How very strange. I presume you are not in favour of children being inadvertently dismembered by landmines, so why are you in favour of them being deliberately dismembered by abortion? This type of dichotomy is incredibly illogical.

In answer to your statement “every fetus has the potential for life”, this is patently false. A fetus doesn’t have the “potential for life”. It is an actual, genetically-distinct, new human life. Principle of non-contradiction states that two contradictory statements cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time. A fetus is, according to science, an actual human life, and therefore can not be a potential human life.

No. Sperm have the potential to form an actual (new human) life. This actual new human life is the fetus (embryo/zygote).

 

[EasterJoy]

…I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, I’m not so arrogant that I believe anecdotal evidence that a foetus is actually a human will convince people. But I do believe that “pro-choice” is a perfidious slogan, a cuddly phrase that avoids the real issue at hand, a phrase that could easily be applied to any despicable action that “society just doesn’t understand”. I suppose “pro-foetus-killing” isn’t as catchy.

What you witnessed wasn’t something that everyone who has ever gone through medical school hasn’t seen. What you saw was something that Hippocrates knew without ultrasound, for he said in his oath: I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

These days, however, doctors think they are in the business of death, too. It is appalling.

 

[ccmcmg]

Rape:
I believe that I may have been a product of rape, perhaps date or acquaintance rape, perhaps stranger rape. I don’t know, and I don’t want to know. I have facts that point to that, but I’ll never know, even though I have met my birthparents (I have no relationship with them).

I am adopted, by wonderful parents. I’m glad my birthmom didn’t abort me; she could have, even back in 1969 (well, 1968…). If it had been legal, I don’t know what she would have done. I think she would have had me anyway, as her only concern when I met her was that I was adopted by Catholics. I have beautiful children, and I believe that I’m supposed to be here.

Just this morning, I heard about Blessed Dorothy Day, who I am going to research; an American who, among other things, had an abortion, but later was overtaken by the Holy Spirit, and went on to do good/great things. I read of a director of a clinic, who when she was asked to hold the ultrasound for an abortion, saw as the baby tried to get away from the abortionist’s tools.

I used to believe it was a woman’s right to choose, too. Then, when I was consumed by the Holy Spirit, He spoke this truth to me: Abortion is WRONG, and against God’s will. I didn’t ask God what He thought; I hadn’t had a thought about it in my mind for a long time. That was the knowledge He gave me, along with some other personal stuff. I didn’t ask for the answer; didn’t ask for my heart to be changed. It just washed those beliefs right out of me. He also made it clear to me that I was supposed to be Catholic. He didn’t tell me everyone was supposed to be Catholic, but He told me I am. However, He didn’t say abortion was wrong for ME; He said it was wrong, period.

So, I’m going to go by what God told me, and what the Church, His chosen place for me, tells us. <3

God bless you; God bless the babies; and God bless those women whose lack of knowledge and strength allow an abortion of their child, and Heaven help the women who know it’s wrong and do it anyway.

Christina

 

[gardenswithkids]

I was firmly, ardently “pro-choice” when I was the OP’s age, and considerably after…When my wife was pregnant with our first son, we went for the 12-week scan and burst into tears as we heard his tiny heartbeat, watched him on the ultrasound squirming around, trying to move away from the probe, looked at his eyes, looked at his feet. At the 20-week scan, we saw his little face, immediately recognisable not just as a human baby but as our son, with recognisable facial features from us and his grandparents. (This is before I’d ever held a baby in my arms, ever felt the responsibility of caring for this tiny thing - not just as a father, but as a human, as part of our race looking after those who come into this world naked and defenceless.)…And now I’m as staunchly pro-life as they come…

YES!!! Is it absolutely incredible to see ultra-sounds where the baby looks like other family members. I love that you mentioned about family resemblance, and I love that seeing your un-born baby’s ultra-sound was part of what helped turn your heart around about abortion.

 

[jmcrae]

Those people probably shouldn’t have shown those graphic pictures. There are other ways to get people to become pro-life other than showing them graphic pictures.

Please allow me to clarify something for you, the Church allows abortion when the life of the mother is in danger.

More accurately, the Church allows a woman to seek lifesaving medical treatment even if it is foreseeable that her unborn child might accidentally be killed during the procedure. Direct abortion is never allowed.

As for the rape argument, why would you kill an innocent child? That child had nothing to do with the rape. He/she is just an innocent soul caught in the middle. Why would you want to kill him/her?

I agree completely - I can understand giving the death penalty to a rapist, but not to his victim’s child - that solves nothing.