I'm becoming Catholic, wife is Orthodox.. marriage question

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I’m trying to get this all squared away and when I get some answers I’ll post them! 😃
 
This is a question for canonists. I am only an amateur canonist: I suggest you go to the “ask an apologist” section or talk to a local priest who is familiar with canon law or can point you in the direction of a qualified canonist.
 
The other option you have is also radical sanitation on your part which does not involve convalidation assuming there are no other impediments. You can speak to your priest about this. If you know of anyone else in this situation what would have been the best would have been to have received dispensation to have been married in the Orthodox Church. But it sounds like radical sanitation might be your best bet.
 
1ke said:
For example, WHY are you in RCIA? You have already been chrismated (Confirmed) in the Orthodox Church, which is a VALID sacrament. You are already fully initiated. RCIA is not for you. The only thing you need to do is go to Confession and maybe make a profession of faith.
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I’d also follow up on why you have been placed in RCIA.
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This is a good observation/question. I am not so much of a masochist as to :banghead: on more than one topic at a time so I left it alone. I agree that “initiation” is out of the question since he is already initiated. Some instruction would be good, or some method of establishing his intellectual formation in the Faith. Confession is always good. Then, just make sure the baptismal record is updated with his subsequent Sacraments.

These days, it can seem everyone gets funneled into the RCIA program…

Dan
 
mark_a said:
Is it standard practice for Orthodox to rebaptize Catholics?
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See this post forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8852439&postcount=52

Basil’s first canonical epistle, which was ratified at the synod of Trullo, prescribes that those outside of the Church, should be baptized. He also, however, allows for the possibility that those baptized outside of the Church may be received by Chrismation out of economy (that is to say that the grace of Chrismation makes up for whatever grace was lacking at baptism), if the bishops determine that this method is better. From the Orthodox perspective, there is no true baptism outside of the Orthodox Church, so Catholics may be received by baptism, although some, like the Russians (excluding ROCOR), generally will receive Catholics by Chrismation only. The policy on this varies from bishop to bishop and synod to synod.
 
dans0622 said:
This is a good observation/question. I am not so much of a masochist as to :banghead: on more than one topic at a time so I left it alone. I agree that “initiation” is out of the question since he is already initiated. Some instruction would be good, or some method of establishing his intellectual formation in the Faith. Confession is always good. Then, just make sure the baptismal record is updated with his subsequent Sacraments.

These days, it can seem everyone gets funneled into the RCIA program…

Dan
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I just smile and try not to fall asleep 😉 When I went to the parish office I explained my situation and after a month I was referred to the RCIA program. I pretty much know everything that we have discussed in class already.
 
Cavaradossi said:
See this post forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8852439&postcount=52

Basil’s first canonical epistle, which was ratified at the synod of Trullo, prescribes that those outside of the Church, should be baptized. He also, however, allows for the possibility that those baptized outside of the Church may be received by Chrismation out of economy (that is to say that the grace of Chrismation makes up for whatever grace was lacking at baptism), if the bishops determine that this method is better. From the Orthodox perspective, there is no true baptism outside of the Orthodox Church, so Catholics may be received by baptism, although some, like the Russians (excluding ROCOR), generally will receive Catholics by Chrismation only. The policy on this varies from bishop to bishop and synod to synod.
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Just another item to add to the list of Orthodox errors. There is no grace lacking in the Sacraments of the one true Church.
 
You should go by what your priest says as he knows all the particulars and authority as your pastor.

Free anonymous advice on the internet is worth what you pay for it.
ValPal said:
Generally, if you were married in an Orthodox Catholic Church with valid sacraments, your marriage is valid and sacramental. That means you cannot have a convalidation.
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A Catholic who marries in the Orthodox Church without a dispensation from form from their Catholic bishop is not in a valid marriage generally speaking.

As this individual was baptized as a Catholic and is “returning” to the Catholic Church there are considerations that need to be taken into account and the best person to do this is the user’s pastor.
 
1ke said:
OMG, people, I seriously question the reading comprehension going on on this thread.
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For example, WHY are you in RCIA? You have already been chrismated (Confirmed) in the Orthodox Church, which is a VALID sacrament. You are already fully initiated. RCIA is not for you. The only thing you need to do is go to Confession and maybe make a profession of faith.
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RCIA is a catch all for everyone entering the Catholic Church. It is not really practical for a parish volunteers/pastors to offer multiple classes varied on the levels of knowledge (and such) of those entering the Church fully.

Individual instruction can also be problematic with the low number of priests today.

This user stated that while he was baptized a Catholic he was not raised in the faith.
iammarshallarts said:
Neither of us were married before, but I was baptized as an infant Catholic…but never attended after that.
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So he was never educated in the Catholic faith. Though he was “re-baptized” and chrismated in the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church are not identical and there are differences that he must learn.

The ideal would be individual instruction but, as I said, his pastor might not have the time to do such.
 
hudson said:
Just another item to add to the list of Orthodox errors. There is no grace lacking in the Sacraments of the one true Church.
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What a shame that you find following the prescription of an Ecumenical Council to be an error. The Orthodox would obviously disagree with your assessment.
 
Cavaradossi said:
What a shame that you find following the prescription of an Ecumenical Council to be an error. The Orthodox would obviously disagree with your assessment.
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The Catholic Church would obviously disagree with your assessment.
 
Cavaradossi said:
Rebaptize, no, just baptize.
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Some rebaptize, some don’t. None baptize unless the proselyte wasn’t a baptized Christian in the first place (or was a member of a quasi-Christian organization with invalid baptism, such as JW, LDS, Jesus Name Pentecostals, etc.).

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iammarshallarts said:
Hello, and I hope this is the correct forum! I am in the process of converting to Catholicism from Orthodoxy (Wife and kids are Orthodox still though). I was baptized Catholic as a child, and Re-Baptized and chrismated and had our Marriage blessed in the Orthodox Church…

My question is, the Priest at our parish wishes to Convalidate our marriage in the Catholic church after I am received in…I’m not sure though that it is necessary. What can I do in this situation and what should I now?

Any help would be huge for us! Thank you and God Bless 😃
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Have you heard of Crescens matrimoniorum? This was published by the Sacred Congregation for the Eastern Churches on February 22, 1967 (A.A.S. 59 (1967), p. 166.), is an indult which allows a valid marriage between Catholics and Orthodox without the usual Catholic form of marriage.

Also in 1970 in Matrimonia Mixta, Pope Paul VI again referred to it “With regard to the marriage of Catholics of whatsoever rite with Eastern, non- Catholic Christians, the Church has recently issued certain norms, [Cf. Second Vatican Council: Decree on Eastern Catholic Churches, Orientalium, Ecclesiarum, 18, AAS 57 (1965), p. 82, Sacred Congregation for the Eastern Churches: Decree Crescens Matrimoniorum, AAS 59 (1967), pp. 165-166.] which we wish to remain in force.”

archdiocese.la/prayer/sacraments/tribunal/ministers/form.html
 
ByzCath said:
A Catholic who marries in the Orthodox Church without a dispensation from form from their Catholic bishop is not in a valid marriage generally speaking.
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Not true.

Can. 1127 §1. The prescripts of can. 1108 are to be observed for the form to be used in a mixed marriage.

Nevertheless, if a Catholic party contracts marriage with a non-Catholic party of an Eastern rite, the canonical form of the celebration must be observed for liceity only; for validity, however, the presence of a sacred minister is required and the other requirements of law are to be observed.
 
dans0622 said:
The only question that I have is: was your wife, at any time, Catholic?
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A canonical question on that point:

Prior to a few years ago formal defection was considered to release a baptized Catholic from canonical form.
If he and his wife had been baptized Catholic but formally defected to the Orthodox Church and married in it before the recent revision of canon law, then wouldn’t their marriage be valid?

After all, we can’t invalidate what was already valid.
 
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