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sambos671
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I do not know if this is directed towards myself or not. But I’ll answer. Salvation. Simple huh.
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Ag_not
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I am a Lutheran and there are no practices or teachings of the RCC I think are wrong. But you still called on me, right?
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Thorwald
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Hi emeraldcoast. I thought you knew that the RCC owned Christianity, communion, etc. Didn’t you read your Bible lately? Doesn’t it say, that unless you are Catholic, pray to dead people, get baptised before you know what is going on in this world, and break God’s commandement of having another God before Him (Mary), that you will go to hell? I thought every Christian agreed that Catholicism is the only way. My, my,…and here I thought that I was the only person on the wrong road.
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Crucified
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Oh - I am sorry - I did not realize that the whole world of scholarship agrees with the claims of the Catholic Church.If **‘every’ ** Church expert, Historian, and expert on New Testament cultures, meanings, symbolisms, languages all feel same way, looks pretty good to me too :grouphug:
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Besides - I am speaking theologically - you said that your church does not teach anything contrary to the Bible - and so what do you need a historian and experts on culture and symbolism for?
How do you know that your theology is consistent with the word of God?
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Sailka
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You’re really flying your Bible only totally false ideas about Catholicism:
Where in Bible does God say He is giving us a Book for Truth, Authority on Earth? God’s Word says The Truth on earth is in The Church, The Apotles He appointed - 1 Timothy 3:15
And He created The Church, with Peter as the Head, and gave Him the Keys to Heaven - Mathew 16:18-19. Are Many Verses, Elsewhere in my Posts, giving Bible quotes on on where God placed Authority in His Church: the Apostles, now known as Bishops.
I don’t have time to list all the other Many Bible Verses to reverse your false ideas.
What’s your idea about Bible meaning of God’s Word saying repeatedly “Unless Ye Eat My Flesh, Drink My Blood, Ye Can Not have Life”? Got to be cannibals to have Life in the Lord? What things are Your Holy Spirit You? Know Church Never teaches Any Group or Person goes to Hell? Only a few Protestants quote One Verse to justify All (This) All (That group) All going to Hell. THe Church Teaches Only The Lord decides Who goes to Hell. And Teaches that we Have to Choose to Go to Hell: Know, But Reject Our Lord, And/Or His Church; Or be Glad, Unrepentant that one committed a Serious Sin, as one dies. And be of Sober sound mind. Only Each of us Can Choose Hell. God Never sends any group, individual to Hell.
Wish I could Correcty All your Big Errors, and give easy to understand Many Bible Quotes.
Try the Truths of Our Lord. Only All in the Catholic Church, 70% of All Christians.
Reality, Truths, Love is Far better than inventing falsehoods about The Church. Remember One Verse: “Depart from Me. I Knew ye not.” God meant Hell for those teachings falsehoods, Living alien religions.
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Henning
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don’t know about unequivocably, but…
- the sinlessness of Mary
- the sinlessness of Mary
- the sinlessness of Mary
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Sailka
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Romans 6:6 is about Us, Not Mary. Has nothing to do with Her.
Lets try Common Sense. Would God pick an average sinning woman as the Mother of God? Many Verses suggest the Opposite, like Revelation.
And why would the Word of God call Mary “Hail, Full of Grace”; “Blessed are You among women”, etc, etc, etc. Luke 1:28-31; Luke 1:41-45; Luke 1:46-49; Apocalypse 12:1, etc.
Know that the “New Ideas of Men” that Mary was just a regular woman, had Sex, other children after Our Lord are only couple hundred years old? Man’s Ideas, Not Bible, not universal knowledge.
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Thorwald
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I have no idea what your response is attempting to tell me. I even bent over and tried reading it between my legs, but, it didn’t help me any.
When, and to whom, did God say that ‘the Church’ in the scripture was equal/synonymous to ‘the Catholic Church’? I must be missing this page from my Bible. Please help me.
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Henning
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Mary **is **one of us. Of course Romans 6 applies to her and Romans 3, 4, 5, 7, 8. That’s the point I was trying to make, ie, if Mary is sinless then Rom 6:6 doesn’t ‘fit’ her, but Rom 3-8 has to apply to her also.
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Sailka
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avenger
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Vivat Jesus…ah I recognize a Knight.
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Sailka
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There was No Church first 1500 years Except Catholic Church Lord founded: Roman, Eastern, Orthodox. All with 7 Sacraments, Real Presence Eucharist, same basics. Try Mathew 16:18-19 to see our Lord’s Intention. Why did he give the Key to Heaven to Peter, The Rock of His Church? Why not in the Bible? Why not to each of us? Tomb of St Peter with first centuries marks on it is located under the Main Altar of St Peters Basillica.
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Sailka
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Amen! Brother, Sir!
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Thorwald
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Hi Saika. First of all, I hope that I didn’t offend you with my previous response (ie. first part of it). It was meant for a smile. I actually got lost in the interpretaion of what exactly the underlying point was, that you were trying to make. I meant no offense to you.
God’s churches must be based on the original Word of God that was given unto us by the apostles. If you look closely at the multitudes of so-called Christian churches that we find in the world today, and compare their beliefs, doctrines, rules, regulations, etc., etc.,…, and compare these to the original Word of God (per the writings of the apostles & OT), deviations from the original teachings become evident. These deviations are caused by man’s own vanity. Some of these deviations are in fact in direct conflict with the Word of God.
I have done a lot of research on a great deal of ‘Christian’ faiths/religious beliefs, and have found not one ‘church’, in fact, following the original Word. This includes Protestant as well as RC/Orthodox faiths. If the Word of God IS GOD, and we deviate from His Word, then does it not stand to reason, that we worship a different God?
The Word of God was given unto us, as a STANDARD. Every person will be measured against this standard, on judgement day. It is also written, that the ministers of God’s Word, will be judged. They will be held accountable for any deviations to His Word, that they have preached unto His sheep. However, it is also the responsibility of every single ‘sheep’ to read and become familiar with His Word. Without doing so, they are unable to discern as to what is true or false in what they have just been taught. Ministers are human beings just like the sheep. They can make errors in regards to interpretation of difficult passages found in the scriptures. They are doing the best that they can, in most cases, having devoted their lives to this cause, but on occasion, they have left their wisdom to ‘vanity’, rather than properly seeking wisdom from God. At times, God will not respond right away. It may takes years before He does, but He will respond. This is part of learning ‘patience and obedience’, as Christ had to. It often becomes a test of the strength of our faith. We as human beings, in this day and age, want everything ‘right now’. This is sinful.
We should not, as Christians, correspond amongst ourselves with hatred in our hearts, but discuss differences of opinion in a peaceful manner. This glorifies God. This is what we are commanded to do.
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PJM
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My dear friend in Christ,
My oh my, but are we bitter today!
I don’t mind the Catholic bashing so much as the audacity to pontificate on matters of which you know little to nothing. But feel free to continue in your lack of the truth, if that somehow makes you happy.
The Catholic Church understands and teaches that ALL Christian faiths, are mysteriously connected to the Catholic Church, and thus Salvation through the merits of Christ are thus made possible.
Where and why do we proclaim this TRUTH?
Mt. 16:13-19. Please note how Jesus Himself uses “singular words.” “I Jesus” give “you-Peter” “ the keys” to the kingdom of heaven. What ever “you –Peter” bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever “you-Peter” Loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Upon “this rock – you Peter,” ‘I Jesus” will build “my”(the Church of Jesus) “church” also singular.
**My dear friend your problems are not with us Catholics, no they are with God Himself! **Your confused about whom said what first. Catholics are following Christ Himself as directed in Sacred Scripture. And just is it who you are “following?”
As for praying for “dead people,” look at 2 Mac. 12: On the next day, as by that time it had become necessary, Judas and his men went to take up the bodies of the fallen and to bring them back to lie with their kinsmen in the sepulchres of their fathers. 40 Then under the tunic of every one of the dead they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. And it became clear to all that this was why these men had fallen. 41 So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous Judge, who reveals the things that are hidden; 42 and they turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out. And the noble Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
This one requires an understanding of the very natures of God, who is All Loving but also All Just. God who is perfect (has to be in order to be God) will not tolerate anyone who too is not perfect to be in His presence. So all men are sinners, agree? And if one dies with sin on ones soul there has to be some way to “get perfected” in order to get to heaven. I’m being very brief in my explanations but if you’d like we can expand and explain them in more detail?
Now as for Mary being before God. The ONLY way that this is true is that she was born before she gave birth to her son, the Son of God, Jesus. And by the way, Catholics don’t really pray “To” Mary and the dead people, we pray THROUGH them as intercessors. To, not through!
I will be happy to address any other questions, clear up any other misunderstandings and share the truth with you, supported fully by the Catholic bible, because the bible is, yes, that is correct, is a Catholic Book.
Now fess up, don’t you feel a bit better, knowing at least some of the truth?
God bless you my friend,
PJM
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PJM
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Hmmmmm… Very interesting!
It’s a secret so you have to promise not to tell anyone.
God did, yep, God told us. Mt.16:18 Amen brother!
God bless, PJM m.c.
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Ag_not
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To help non catholics understand what Catholics already know maybe
That’s a trick question isn’t it
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Brennan_Doherty
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Okay, so Jesus founded a Church that would eventually fail (teaching false doctrine) or be invisible so no one could turn to it for the truth regarding salvation?
And what about the Christians who existed for 1,500 or so years prior to the invention of the printing press? How did they discern the truth without having easy access to a Bible?
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Crucified
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Actually - your inability to answer the question does not make it a “trick” but rather a simple demonstration of an inconsistency that lies at the root of all your criticism of Protestants.That’s a trick question isn’t it
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