I'm calling on everyone here in this forum EXCEPT Catholics !!!

[Sailka]

Hi Saika. First of all, I hope that I didn’t offend you with my previous response (ie. first part of it). It was meant for a smile. I actually got lost in the interpretaion of what exactly the underlying point was, that you were trying to make. I meant no offense to you.

God’s churches must be based on the original Word of God that was given unto us by the apostles. If you look closely at the multitudes of so-called Christian churches that we find in the world today, and compare their beliefs, doctrines, rules, regulations, etc., etc.,…, and compare these to the original Word of God (per the writings of the apostles & OT), deviations from the original teachings become evident. These deviations are caused by man’s own vanity. Some of these deviations are in fact in direct conflict with the Word of God.

I have done a lot of research on a great deal of ‘Christian’ faiths/religious beliefs, and have found not one ‘church’, in fact, following the original Word. This includes Protestant as well as RC/Orthodox faiths. If the Word of God IS GOD, and we deviate from His Word, then does it not stand to reason, that we worship a different God?

The Word of God was given unto us, as a STANDARD. Every person will be measured against this standard, on judgement day. It is also written, that the ministers of God’s Word, will be judged. They will be held accountable for any deviations to His Word, that they have preached unto His sheep. However, it is also the responsibility of every single ‘sheep’ to read and become familiar with His Word. Without doing so, they are unable to discern as to what is true or false in what they have just been taught. Ministers are human beings just like the sheep. They can make errors in regards to interpretation of difficult passages found in the scriptures. They are doing the best that they can, in most cases, having devoted their lives to this cause, but on occasion, they have left their wisdom to ‘vanity’, rather than properly seeking wisdom from God. At times, God will not respond right away. It may takes years before He does, but He will respond. This is part of learning ‘patience and obedience’, as Christ had to. It often becomes a test of the strength of our faith. We as human beings, in this day and age, want everything ‘right now’. This is sinful.

We should not, as Christians, correspond amongst ourselves with hatred in our hearts, but discuss differences of opinion in a peaceful manner. This glorifies God. This is what we are commanded to do.

Not remotelly offended. But did you Read my Post 611? Where in Bible does God say He is giving us a Book, The Bible as Autnhority, Truth on Earth. Tried 1 Timothy 3:15 to see Where God says Truth on Earth is?
Sola Scriptura is Not in the Bible, And is contrary to Our Lord’s Teaching. These issues are among the Most Posted ones on this great Web. No one has justified Sola Scriptura, which is anti NT, Authority of the Apostles: Matt 28:17; Matt 28:18-20; John 3:34; Matt 10:40; Matt 18: 18; Like 10:16; John 20: 21-23; 1 John 4: 6; and MANY more. Church He founded in Mathew 16:18-19, now 70% of all Christians: Roman/Eastern/Orthodox.
And Catholic Church fathers Wrote the New Testament. Only We Live it Fully, As God intended. not as we misread verses, to avoid the Truth of The Church Of Our Lord.

Know Preacing and singing Begin till Calvin, few Hundred years ago? And Martin Luther said he would Not have started the Reformation if he would have seen the Results in protestantism? Documented.
Peace be With You.

 

[dkdempsey]

I was brought up Catholic, but now I’m not a part of any religion. I guess my three biggest reasons are 1). Eternel Hell 2). Anti-GLBT 3). The “Once a Catholic, Always a Catholic” thingy (which of course I believe is false BTW).

 

[ALotLessThumb]

My problem with Catholicism and Christianity in general is more philosophical than anything theological. It claims universality in message; but it lacks in language and outlook. Furthermore, it relies on the old Greco structure of everything in being relational to geometry and vision. Not all ancient societies were constructed in such a way. Metaphysics (beyond what is seen) is an important aspect to Christianity and the Christian mindset- and I am unsure if I am support such an idea. The very nature of how the Western world (and to an extent, India) expresses time and interacts with it doesn’t make much sense to me.

To me, Christianity appears to come off as a Jewish/Semetic/Middle Eastern religion exported to the Greco world paradigm, and changed in essence.

That is not to say, as a lot of provocateurs and professors seem to imply, that Christianity is some sort of complete figment or syncretic faith…I believe there was a Jesus Christ, I believe he had disciples who set up religious structures, I believe that core doctrines and sacraments/mysteries were present in one form or another and consistent, etc etc…but that very mideastern mindset wasn’t passed along, and the Jewish roots and expressions were expressed differently under different grammar and psychological structures.

And to me, that ultimately unravels the theological arguments for Christianity.

 

[PJM]

Okay, so Jesus founded a Church that would eventually fail (teaching false doctrine) or be invisible so no one could turn to it for the truth regarding salvation?

And what about the Christians who existed for 1,500 or so years prior to the invention of the printing press? How did they discern the truth without having easy access to a Bible?

Reply:
My dear friend in Christ,
You ask a very good question Thanks!

I am so glad that you couched your question with the word “easy.”

as you yourself have discovered (perhaps are in the process of discovering) learning one Faith is never an easy task “If you wish to come after Me, take up YOUR cross and follow ME?”

How was the faith of the Old Testament taught? By word of mouth, and it proved to be an effective manner of passing on God’s teachings. Amen? This is why Catholics hold to the validity of Sacred Tradition. And to varying degrees, this is how the Catholic faith spread. as you are aware there really was no truly successful competition to the Catholic Faith, until the early 1600’s. Yes the Anglicac Communion was about 100 years eariler, but it was not until the Protestant Revolutation, and Martin Luther, that desent from the Catholic Church really caught on. Why is a seperate conversation.

The next point is historically proveable. The Catholic Church was growing rapidly. The More Catholics (called Chistrians) that were Martyered, the faster the Faith grew. As was God’s plan.

Major areas of population had sufficeient Bishops and Priest to teach and preach, and at times there was even an abundence of Clergy to spread the word.

The evidence of this truth can be clearly proven by numerious historical records, the various Church Councils (and the number of Bishops who participated in them, ect.)

Please keep in mind that the Bible is a Catholic Book, and the entire New Testament was written by Roman Catholics. Additionally, it both common knowledge that the RCC can trace it’s roots in an unbroken line of papal Succession going back to Jesus and St. Peter.

That fact that their was “Only One Church” gives POWERFUL evidence that, “One Church,” is what Jesus founded and what God Willed. Mt. 16:13-19 (notice the exclusive use the “the singular” in the discourse between Jesus and St. Peter.

And not to be arguemenitive, but how do you justify “Okay, so Jesus founded a Church that would eventually fail (teaching false doctrine)”. I’m willing to listen carefully to what ever points and conserns you have.

“Invisible”, hardly! The Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination in America, and as a FYI, “fallen away catholics” are the second largest denomination. Where God is the Devil isn’t far behind!

But as one Christian to another, please support your positions with
some facts. Your not interested in “my personal opinion,” nor I in yours. I will gladly support any statement I make on behalf of the One true Church.

God bless you my friend in Christ,
I hope this OP will lead to futher discussion of your beliefs and understanding?

PJM m.c.

 

[PJM]

I was brought up Catholic, but now I’m not a part of any religion. I guess my three biggest reasons are 1). Eternel Hell 2). Anti-GLBT 3). The “Once a Catholic, Always a Catholic” thingy (which of course I believe is false BTW).

Reply:

My dear friend in Christ,

PLEASE read the next sentance carefully and prayerfully,

Because you (or me, or anyone else Can has never, without exception, meant that we MAY ABSOLUTELY do as “we can.”

If you believe that there is A God?

If you believe that there is “an eterinity”?

**If you believe that this God has to be “All Just”? **Meaning He cannot not and most certainly will not Judge each of us alike. The “good and the bad” will be judged according to God’s standards and Conditions!

Then I will share the wisdom of Bishop Chaput of Denver:
“If you find yourself holding a view that is contray to the Catholic Church, change your mind.”

Your problem IS NOT with the only Church actually founded by Jesus, His Catholic Church! Oh, that it could be so simple. No my friend, **your issues are not with us catholics, but with GOD HIMSELF **

He created heaven
He created hell
He created you and me
He gave us an intellect and freewill to decide for ourselves
He created the Catholic Church
He gave us His Commandments
He gave us His Bible
He is the one who say’s “once a Catholic always a Catholic” because that is where His TRUTH resides.You CAN make other choices, but you CANNOT make other right choices.

The only thing you (or me) can do is accept or reject Gof Himself

Choose carefully my friend, eterinity is ETERNITY!

God bless you,

PJM m.c.

 

[Thorwald]

My dear friend in Christ,

My oh my, but are we bitter today!

I don’t mind the Catholic bashing so much as the audacity to pontificate on matters of which you know little to nothing. But feel free to continue in your lack of the truth, if that somehow makes you happy.

The Catholic Church understands and teaches that ALL Christian faiths, are mysteriously connected to the Catholic Church, and thus Salvation through the merits of Christ are thus made possible.

Where and why do we proclaim this TRUTH?

Mt. 16:13-19. Please note how Jesus Himself uses “singular words.” “I Jesus” give “you-Peter” “ the keys” to the kingdom of heaven. What ever “you –Peter” bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever “you-Peter” Loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Upon “this rock – you Peter,” ‘I Jesus” will build “my”(the Church of Jesus) “church” also singular.

**My dear friend your problems are not with us Catholics, no they are with God Himself! **Your confused about whom said what first. Catholics are following Christ Himself as directed in Sacred Scripture. And just is it who you are “following?”

As for praying for “dead people,” look at 2 Mac. 12: On the next day, as by that time it had become necessary, Judas and his men went to take up the bodies of the fallen and to bring them back to lie with their kinsmen in the sepulchres of their fathers. 40 Then under the tunic of every one of the dead they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. And it became clear to all that this was why these men had fallen. 41 So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous Judge, who reveals the things that are hidden; 42 and they turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out. And the noble Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.

This one requires an understanding of the very natures of God, who is All Loving but also All Just. God who is perfect (has to be in order to be God) will not tolerate anyone who too is not perfect to be in His presence. So all men are sinners, agree? And if one dies with sin on ones soul there has to be some way to “get perfected” in order to get to heaven. I’m being very brief in my explanations but if you’d like we can expand and explain them in more detail?

Now as for Mary being before God. The ONLY way that this is true is that she was born before she gave birth to her son, the Son of God, Jesus. And by the way, Catholics don’t really pray “To” Mary and the dead people, we pray THROUGH them as intercessors. To, not through!

I will be happy to address any other questions, clear up any other misunderstandings and share the truth with you, supported fully by the Catholic bible, because the bible is, yes, that is correct, is a Catholic Book.

Now fess up, don’t you feel a bit better, knowing at least some of the truth?

God bless you my friend,

PJM

Hi PJM. Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. I have no idea who or what ‘2 Mac’ is. I never heard of it.

Please show me in the scriptures (spoken unto us by Christ) that ‘dead saints’ or ‘Mary’ has the power to make intrcession for us. It is written, that Christ and The Holy Ghost do, however. If you note, these two are part of the Trinity and Godhead.

The original ‘church(es)’ refer to the groupings of the followers/missionaries of the newly proclaimed Word of God, with Christ being the head. This Word of God, provided us with the ‘light’ needed to see through the ‘darkness’ that had overshadowed the Word of God. Christ’s teachings (The Word being not His, but His Father’s who sent HIm), provided everyone that reads His Word, with an understanding. His teachings were not ‘Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox’, but rather, simply The Word of God, owned only by God, Himself, and given unto us for the purpose of providing us with the rules in order to reach salvation/redemption, or the lake of fire.

 

[PJM]

Oh so Scripture told you?

And how do you know that you have interpreted that passage correctly?

Oh so Scripture told you?

And how do you know that you have interpreted that passage correctly?

My dear friend in Christ,

Oh, so me listening to the inspired words of Christ, is a bad idea:shrug: Go figure!

I “don’t personally” interpret Scripture, nor should you:thumbsup:

God founded HIS Church, the RCC, and set a structure into place that would assure that it would not only survives, but GROW!

God being God, gives us HIS personal assurance that what His Church teaches (listen carefully now) on “MATTERS OF FAITH AND ON MORALS,” cannot, and will not be in error.

Common sense supports this. If there are no absolute truths, then there can be NO SIN. If we are not sinners, then the life death and Resurrection of Jesus are:thumbsup: in vain.

So, The (singular) TRUTH has to reside somewhere. If it is not in the ONLY Church actually founded by GOD HIMSELF. Please share with us where we can find IT

1 Tim. 4:13 “Till I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. 14 Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the council of elders laid their hands upon you. 15 Practice these duties, devote yourself to them, so that all may see your progress. 16 Take heed to yourself and to your teaching; hold to that, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.”

Following this advice makes studying the bible easy fro us Catholics. In fact it is the easiest of all of our many Faith practices. Amen?

God bless you,
PJM m.c.
“Christ is My Righteousness”

Right on Brother:thumbsup: So maybe it would be a good idea to actually listen to Him:shrug:

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Hi PJM. Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. I have no idea who or what ‘2 Mac’ is. I never heard of it.

How unfortunate that you inherited the Condensed Version of the Word of God from your Protestant fore-runners.

Please show me in the scriptures (spoken unto us by Christ) that ‘dead saints’ or ‘Mary’ has the power to make intrcession for us. It is written, that Christ and The Holy Ghost do, however. If you note, these two are part of the Trinity and Godhead.

We all have power to make intercession for one another in prayer. We are commanded to pray for one another, are we not? That’s intercession. We know that only the Triune God has the power to ANSWER our prayers.

St John’s vision of Heaven in Revelation revealed to him the saints in Heaven presenting bowls of incense, which we are told are the prayers of the saints, before the throne of God. That tells me that those in Heaven are praying for you, me, and the whole world - to the Lord our God.

The original ‘church(es)’ refer to the groupings of the followers/missionaries of the newly proclaimed Word of God, with Christ being the head. This Word of God, provided us with the ‘light’ needed to see through the ‘darkness’ that had overshadowed the Word of God. Christ’s teachings (The Word being not His, but His Father’s who sent HIm), provided everyone that reads His Word, with an understanding. His teachings were not ‘Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox’, but rather, simply The Word of God, owned only by God, Himself, and given unto us for the purpose of providing us with the rules in order to reach salvation/redemption, or the lake of fire.

Actually, Christ’s teachings were Catholic (for the whole world) and Orthodox (pure and true and free from heresy). You are right that His teachings were not Protestant, though. Too may possibilities and conflicting and contradictory doctrine under the huge umbrella of Protestantism for that to be anything like God, who is not the author of confusion.

I also must ask you to clarify what you mean by the Word not being Christ’s but God’s, as though they are separate entities. John 1:1 tells us that Jesus IS the Word of God. Do you not believe that Jesus is the 2nd person in the Holy Trinity?

 

[Thorwald]

Okay, so Jesus founded a Church that would eventually fail (teaching false doctrine) or be invisible so no one could turn to it for the truth regarding salvation?

And what about the Christians who existed for 1,500 or so years prior to the invention of the printing press? How did they discern the truth without having easy access to a Bible?

Hi Brennan Doherty. I thank you for your response. I am not sure if I have interpreted it properly. But, here goes…

We find many verses in the Bible, that provide us with wisdom, that we have to include in coming to an understanding of things to come. Some of these, are;

1. We will return to the days of Noah.
2. All Israel shall be saved.
3. Several verses referring to ‘if the world loves you, or hates you’ when you follow the Word given unto us by Christ.
4. Christ will not come, until His Word has been preached throughout the world, unto all nations.
5. If you are correctly following His Word, He will manifest Himself unto you (John 14:21-24).
6. You will be thrown out of the church, for His name sake, as He (the Master) was also thrown out.
7. You will be persecuted (even unto death) for the truth that you speak. (He also tells us, that those who persecute us, would be better having an anvil tied around their neck, and thrown into the deepest sea.)
8. Many will be called, but few will be chosen.
9. We must be found worthy until the end, in order to become a son/daughter of God, equal unto the angels, and allowed to sit along with Christ on His throne. (Those who are not found worthy, but are saved, become the future ‘nations of the world’.)

The above, are some of the ‘parameters’ that we all must meet, if we wish to be annointed to the position of ‘sons/daughters’ of God. No matter what we believe personally, we cannot change the above. There are many other parameters written within the NT.

I don’t know all of the answers concerning the Word of God, but I fear with all of my heart and soul, uttering a single word to mankind, that would be construed by God, as ‘adding/changing’ His Holy witnessed Word.

 

[Thorwald]

How unfortunate that you inherited the Condensed Version of the Word of God from your Protestant fore-runners.
I am very fortunate. I have less to read, and there is less material for mankind to change.

We all have power to make intercession for one another in prayer. We are commanded to pray for one another, are we not? That’s intercession. We know that only the Triune God has the power to ANSWER our prayers.
Yes, but I’m not dead.

St John’s vision of Heaven in Revelation revealed to him the saints in Heaven presenting bowls of incense, which we are told are the prayers of the saints, before the throne of God. That tells me that those in Heaven are praying for you, me, and the whole world - to the Lord our God.
When were the prayers of the saints ‘prayed’…before or after their carnal deaths?

Actually, Christ’s teachings were Catholic (for the whole world) and Orthodox (pure and true and free from heresy). You are right that His teachings were not Protestant, though. Too may possibilities and conflicting and contradictory doctrine under the huge umbrella of Protestantism for that to be anything like God, who is not the author of confusion.
I am not ‘Protestant’ as per the above ‘definition’ that you have stated. I believe only in the scriptures, that are contained within the KJV Bible.

I also must ask you to clarify what you mean by the Word not being Christ’s but God’s, as though they are separate entities. John 1:1 tells us that Jesus IS the Word of God. Do you not believe that Jesus is the 2nd person in the Holy Trinity?

Rememder part of the verse,"…and the Word that ye hear, is not mine, but the Father’s that sent me???" God is the Word, and if Isaiah 44:6 is true, and John chpt 1 are true, then Christ’s Father is The Word, and so is Christ (The Word in the flesh).

 

[Brennan_Doherty]

Hi Brennan Doherty. I thank you for your response. I am not sure if I have interpreted it properly. But, here goes…

We find many verses in the Bible, that provide us with wisdom, that we have to include in coming to an understanding of things to come. Some of these, are;

1. We will return to the days of Noah.
2. All Israel shall be saved.
3. Several verses referring to ‘if the world loves you, or hates you’ when you follow the Word given unto us by Christ.
4. Christ will not come, until His Word has been preached throughout the world, unto all nations.
5. If you are correctly following His Word, He will manifest Himself unto you (John 14:21-24).
6. You will be thrown out of the church, for His name sake, as He (the Master) was also thrown out.
7. You will be persecuted (even unto death) for the truth that you speak. (He also tells us, that those who persecute us, would be better having an anvil tied around their neck, and thrown into the deepest sea.)
8. Many will be called, but few will be chosen.
9. We must be found worthy until the end, in order to become a son/daughter of God, equal unto the angels, and allowed to sit along with Christ on His throne. (Those who are not found worthy, but are saved, become the future ‘nations of the world’.)

The above, are some of the ‘parameters’ that we all must meet, if we wish to be annointed to the position of ‘sons/daughters’ of God. No matter what we believe personally, we cannot change the above. There are many other parameters written within the NT.

I don’t know all of the answers concerning the Word of God, but I fear with all of my heart and soul, uttering a single word to mankind, that would be construed by God, as ‘adding/changing’ His Holy witnessed Word.

Hi Thorwald, thanks for the response.

I cannot address each and every point and I do note that there are only a few instances where the Church has said that there really is only one interpretation of scripture. One of these instances would be in John 3 where Jesus says we must be born again by water and Spirit. Water in this context would mean baptism and has always been the teaching of the early Christians.

And I thought Jesus told his disciples they would be thrown out of the synagogues, not necessarily the Church?

Anyway, my main point in the e-mail was that Christians, for the greater part of history, did not have the luxury we have today of sitting down with a Bible and coming up with their own interpretations of things.

Thus it would seem that if that was supposed to be the primary means that people learn about truth and salvation that Jesus would have invented the printing press and started handing out Bibles to everyone.

Hence it would be absolutely necessary for the Church Jesus founded to speak the truth regarding issues such as salvation, otherwise you have a situation where people do not have easy access to a Bible, yet the Church is now (supposedly) in error on major issues and leading people astray, and then what? God waited 1,500 years for Martin Luther to come along and start setting things straight?

 

[PJM]

Hi PJM. Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. I have no idea who or what ‘2 Mac’ is. I never heard of it.

Please show me in the scriptures (spoken unto us by Christ) that ‘dead saints’ or ‘Mary’ has the power to make intrcession for us. It is written, that Christ and The Holy Ghost do, however. If you note, these two are part of the Trinity and Godhead.

The original ‘church(es)’ refer to the groupings of the followers/missionaries of the newly proclaimed Word of God, with Christ being the head. This Word of God, provided us with the ‘light’ needed to see through the ‘darkness’ that had overshadowed the Word of God. Christ’s teachings (The Word being not His, but His Father’s who sent HIm), provided everyone that reads His Word, with an understanding. His teachings were not ‘Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox’, but rather, simply The Word of God, owned only by God, Himself, and given unto us for the purpose of providing us with the rules in order to reach salvation/redemption, or the lake of fire.

REPLY:

Mt. 16:13-19. Please note how Jesus Himself uses “singular words.” “I Jesus” give “you-Peter” “ the keys” to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever “you –Peter” bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever “you-Peter” Loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Upon “this rock – you Peter,” ‘I Jesus” will build “my”(the Church of Jesus) “church” also singular.

Hi PJM. Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. I have no idea who or what ‘2 Mac’ is. I never heard of it.

Please show me in the scriptures (spoken unto us by Christ) that ‘dead saints’ or ‘Mary’ has the power to make intercession for us. It is written, that Christ and The Holy Ghost do, however. If you note, these two are part of the Trinity and Godhead.

The original ‘church(es)’ refer to the groupings of the followers/missionaries of the newly proclaimed Word of God, with Christ being the head. This Word of God, provided us with the ‘light’ needed to see through the ‘darkness’ that had overshadowed the Word of God. Christ’s teachings (The Word being not His, but His Father’s who sent HIm), provided everyone that reads His Word, with an understanding. His teachings were not ‘Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox’, but rather, simply The Word of God, owned only by God, Himself, and given unto us for the purpose of providing us with the rules in order to reach salvation/redemption, or the lake of fire

Reply: Hi, I enjoyed your post. Thanks!

I’m confused.

You seem to acknowledge the “Word of God” as actually being the “Word of God”? Do you?

If you do, then where do you get the “right” to pick and choose which words you will accept, and which words you will choose to ignore?

2 Tim. 3:16-17 (KJV) “16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

Mt. 16: (KJV) “16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father, which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, [1] and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

My dear friend in Christ, I’m willing to answer any and all questions, by using the bible, (which is a very incomplete discussion, because if you insist on believing ONLY in what the bible say’s (not what you think it say’s, but the Word of God is saying.) Then I must assume that you understand that something not specified in the bible is not to be believed, correct?

God bless you and guide you,

PJM m.c.

 

[Crucified]

My dear friend in Christ,Oh, so me listening to the inspired words of Christ, is a bad idea:shrug: Go figure! I “don’t personally” interpret Scripture, nor should you:thumbsup: God founded HIS Church, the RCC . . .

How do you know that?

 

[PJM]

How do you know that?

Reply:

Because God put a head on your sholders and a brain inside your head

It’s common sense.If there can only be one truth; and there can ONLY be a single truth on any issue, otherwise there would “no truth,” only your opinion and my opinion.:thumbsup:

The fact that there are many hundreds of Christian Denominations gives clear evidence of the consequences of “everyone doing there own thing,” and giving God’s WORD (only one bible), there own spin to suit what they choose to believe. How convient and easy is that?

We live in a sinful world where the philosphy of “it’s only wrong if I say it’s wrong” has been accepted as somekind of truth. It is LUNACY! And my dear friend in Christ, This false philosopy is what is wrong!

Jesus only started ONE Church, and gave it HIS INSPIRED WORD, One Bible, and it is the Catholic Bible. How do we know that?

When did your religion start? Mine started while Jesus was here on earth. How old is your bible? Mine can be traced back to St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate around the year 350 AD.

Your bible came along (KJV) about 1,200 years later and was modified (not inspired by God like the orginal bible) but by folks who thought that they new more, new better. It’s not the same, because God did not promise that it would be. Jesus did promise that the teachings on matters of Faith and Morals (only) caould not, would not be in error. Amen!

1. Tim. Chapter 4: 13 Till I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. 14 Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the council of elders laid their hands upon you. 15 Practice these duties, devote yourself to them, so that all may see your progress. 16 Take heed to yourself and to your teaching; hold to that, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

My dear friend, not even God is going to force you to accept the truth, but is is a lot easier to find, if your actually seeking it.

God bless and thanks for asking, always happy to help my Brother

PJM m.c.

 

[Crucified]

Jesus only started ONE Church, and gave it HIS INSPIRED WORD, One Bible, and it is the Catholic Bible. How do we know that? . . .

You took the words right out of my mouth - and yet you did not answer that question.

 

[jblake]

Ag_not;:

can you specify these rituals/occultism that is sanctioned by the church and the countries concerned so I can research them.

Our Lady of Guadalupe would be one starting point.

jonathon

 

[Sailka]

Oh so Scripture told you?

And how do you know that you have interpreted that passage correctly?

Because our Church Fathers: the Apostles were there. And the 1.4 Billion Roman, Eastern, Orthodox Churches have lived all Jesus’ teachings 2,000 years, as they were intended.

“Interpreting Passages” leads to Thousands of different sects, and millions of interpretations during last 500 years.

The Catholic Church is the only one which lives all the New Testament Fully as it was written, and no serious Dogmatic change in 2000 years.

And the New Testament (God) tells us that the Truth on Earth is in the Church and Apostles, now direct decended Bishops. 1 Timothy 3:15 :bible1:

 

[PJM]

You took the words right out of my mouth - and yet you did not answer that question.

Reply:

My dear Brother in Christ, are you actually reading my post. I am providing specific answers and you ignore them.

Now is that playing nice?

2 Tim. 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good word

Now I’ve dome my work so now it’s your turn Look up in your KJV Mt. 16:13-20. Takr special note of the use of “SINGULAR” words such as “I” “my” “you” “church” the rock" all are speciffically and intentionally singular! How do we know this? beause they are God’s words not mine. God can’t lie and does not make mistakes.

This is SOOOOOO true that even your bible proclaims it:thumbsup:

Our conversation is begaining to not be fun anymore, because you seem to refuse to listen.

So do you want to continue or what?

God bless you Brother,
PJM m.c.

 

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Reply: My dear Brother in Christ, are you actually reading my post. I am providing specific answers and you ignore them.

Now is that playing nice?

I am not interested in debating about Bible translations.

I want to know how you know that your Bible is inspired.

All you tried to do is re-assert your position - adding the rabbit trail argument about the King James translation vs. the Latin Vulgate - which is an open and shut case by the way.

But you did not answer my question - (or yours for that matter)

HOW DO YOU KNOW that the catholic bible is the ONE bible that Jesus gave the church?

Your answer has nothing to do with the KJV - it has to do with you personally - HOW DO YOU KNOW?

 

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Because our Church Fathers: the Apostles were there. And the 1.4 Billion Roman, Eastern, Orthodox Churches have lived all Jesus’ teachings 2,000 years, as they were intended.

Oh - so whoever has the biggest crowd is right?

How do you know that your church has lived all of Jesus’ teachings for 2000 years as they were intended?

I agree that the apostle’s were there - duh - that is why they handed down the sacred writings to us! “For among the things that are plainly laid down in Scripture are to be found all matters that concern faith and the manner of life . . . what more shall I teach you than what we read in the apostles? For Holy Scripture fixes the rule for our doctrine, lest we dare be wiser than we ought.” (Augustine, On Christian Doctrine, II, 9 -and- On De Bono Viduitatis.)