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Cinette
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Yes, we could enter the response in the GUINESS BOOK OF RECORDS!
That would be a new one!
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That would be a new one!
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Sailka
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Thank You for your brilliant documentation from Springtime Melbourne Australia, Benedictus 2. :tanning: The Papal visit was awesome, like the Maori Book of Gospels presented Traditionally.
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jfhh
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I believe he’s referring to groups like the Gnostics and so forth. Later, the Cathars and so forth.
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Cinette
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Dameedna
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church
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From the article.
When one considers the name of the Church one must place it within its historical context. From the beginning Christians referred to their Church as the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. While today, a number of other Churches also lay claim to this title (The Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Communion, the Assyrian Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and others), the Eastern Orthodox Church sees these other Churches as break-away groups, with the Assyrians and Orientals breaking away from the church after the first few centuries and the Roman Catholics in the 11th century (see: East-West Schism).
Because of their theological and spiritual unity and their devotion to the original teachings and traditions of the Christian faith (as understood by the Orthodox), the Orthodox consider themselves to be the only valid continuation of the original One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Here’s one
From the article.
When one considers the name of the Church one must place it within its historical context. From the beginning Christians referred to their Church as the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. While today, a number of other Churches also lay claim to this title (The Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Communion, the Assyrian Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and others), the Eastern Orthodox Church sees these other Churches as break-away groups, with the Assyrians and Orientals breaking away from the church after the first few centuries and the Roman Catholics in the 11th century (see: East-West Schism).
Because of their theological and spiritual unity and their devotion to the original teachings and traditions of the Christian faith (as understood by the Orthodox), the Orthodox consider themselves to be the only valid continuation of the original One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
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benedictus2
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Please check this website on the history of the east - west schism.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church
Here’s one
From the article.
When one considers the name of the Church one must place it within its historical context. From the beginning Christians referred to their Church as the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. While today, a number of other Churches also lay claim to this title (The Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Communion, the Assyrian Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and others), the Eastern Orthodox Church sees these other Churches as break-away groups, with the Assyrians and Orientals breaking away from the church after the first few centuries and the Roman Catholics in the 11th century (see: East-West Schism).
Because of their theological and spiritual unity and their devotion to the original teachings and traditions of the Christian faith (as understood by the Orthodox), the Orthodox consider themselves to be the only valid continuation of the original One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Timeline of the East-West Schism
of the Catholic and Orthodox Church
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cascherman
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still kinda waiting to hear these.
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steve_b
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Do you think the Church puts a higher standard on Catholics than non Catholics receiving in the Catholic Church? Have you read the canons pertaining to what is required for receiving the Eucharist in the Catholic Church? Do you think those go away for non Catholics wishing to partake in the Eucharist?
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Can. 916 A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.
Do you think this canon doesn’t apply in canon 844.3 for non Catholics?
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It refers to Christians with valid sacraments, i.e. a valid priesthood. That greatly limits who even qualifies.
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What’s stopping you from naming these denominations?
Why don’t you start citing denomination and scripture passages now?
How about the Eastern Orthodox. I think they claim to have come directly from apostles.
Sorry Ag_Not. I know I am not suppose to be in this thread but couldn’t help myself
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The Eastern Orthodox find fault with the Oriental Orthodox claiming this title?!!! One cannot be serious. This seems like nit-picking to an outsider.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church
Here’s one
From the article.
When one considers the name of the Church one must place it within its historical context. From the beginning Christians referred to their Church as the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. While today, a number of other Churches also lay claim to this title (The Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Communion, the Assyrian Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and others), the Eastern Orthodox Church sees these other Churches as break-away groups, with the Assyrians and Orientals breaking away from the church after the first few centuries and the Roman Catholics in the 11th century (see: East-West Schism).
Because of their theological and spiritual unity and their devotion to the original teachings and traditions of the Christian faith (as understood by the Orthodox), the Orthodox consider themselves to be the only valid continuation of the original One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
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cascherman
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Yes, and the Catholic Church does acknowledge the Eastern Orthodox to have valid apostolic succession. But, until around the year 1054 the Eastern Church and the Catholic Church were one.
The only other Church that can nearly claim to be as ancient as the Catholic Church is the Eastern Orthodox. And even that, some would say, was forfeited when they separated from the unity facilitated by the Bishop of Rome.
Of course, the Eastern Orthodox on the forum will see it differently.
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sambos671
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Yes but you forgot one church. The Coptic Church.
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Sailka
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The Eastern Orthodox Churches are in Full Commumnion with the Vatican. Full communion. And have been for years.
There has been bo question of the valid apostolic succession of the Eastern Orthodox 22 Sects.
And the Orthodox Churches also have Recognized Apostolic succession. And they are pending Full Communion with the Vatican in a few years, as the Eastern Orthodox have.
All authentic Roman, Eastern and Orthodox Catholic Churches devolved from the Apostles. And we constitute over 70% of all Christiand, in numbers now.
Some technical differences caused the seperations, in overview.
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steve_b
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These are ones in communion with Rome
ewtn.com/expert/answers/catholic_rites_and_churches.htm
If they aren’t on this list they aren’t in communion.
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sambos671
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Why is everyone treating the Coptic church like a redheaded step-child.
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Cinette
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As I had understood Orthodox and Coptic Churches have very similar beliefs to the RCC - they just have their own “Authority”, like for example a Patriarch instead of the Pope. They are not Protestants.
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Cinette
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ATTENTION: JBlake!!
When are you going to name those denominations you mentioned?
When are you going to name those denominations you mentioned?
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sambos671
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No one said they were. Also the Copts are back in communion with Rome.As I had understood Orthodox and Coptic Churches have very similar beliefs to the RCC - they just have their own “Authority”, like for example a Patriarch instead of the Pope. They are not Protestants.
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Sailka
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Excellent article, but Very tricky. Each sect needs to be read in detail to see if in Communion with the Holy See. Most “Byzantine Orthodox” are.
Its not A list. It is a List of all true Apostolic Churches, each described, and communion with the Vatican or not individiually described.
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