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See, I have had a great deal of interest in priesthood/monastic life in the past. I even have a desire to do so right now in my current state of life, a college student, but I have conflicting messages within my heart. I want to devote my entire life to God and the church, and I see myself as a priest or even belonging to an order. I have a great love of learning and teaching others. I have a great deal of passion for social justice and acts of charity too. I was even told I would make a good priest by a priest at a parish I used to belong to. So, all the signs seem to add up for me going to the seminary or becoming a novice in an order. However, everytime I see a child, I get this fuzzy and warm feeling in my heart, and I have a desire to have my own child someday. Sometimes I imagine what it might be like to be a father and husband. That life seems great to me. Basically, there is ‘signs’ that point towards becoming a priest/religious, but also towards the married life. I am stuck in rut and it seems that I will never get out. I feel as if God wants me to do both, and it is so confusing. Does anyone have any advice?
-Unworthy Apostle
 
Hi,
I ma a Father of 5 and a Maronite.
If you have that feeling, brother, get married , have kids and become a monk or priest in the Maronite church. It is allowed in the Maronite church.
Believe me, do not miss out what your heart feels, do it and be happy both ways.
Peace.
 
pray pray and pray. Ask the Lord what He wants from you. Get a good spiritual director that will listen to you and will help you in your discernment.

Prayers for you. Please pray for me.
 
It sounds like a spiritual director would be very helpful for you to help in your discernment. The whole point of having to discern something is that you are choosing between two good things, and both priesthood/religious life and marriage/parenthood are good.

You might ask your parish priest if he could recommend someone.
 
See, I have had a great deal of interest in priesthood/monastic life in the past. I even have a desire to do so right now in my current state of life, a college student, but I have conflicting messages within my heart. I want to devote my entire life to God and the church, and I see myself as a priest or even belonging to an order. I have a great love of learning and teaching others. I have a great deal of passion for social justice and acts of charity too. I was even told I would make a good priest by a priest at a parish I used to belong to. So, all the signs seem to add up for me going to the seminary or becoming a novice in an order. However, everytime I see a child, I get this fuzzy and warm feeling in my heart, and I have a desire to have my own child someday. Sometimes I imagine what it might be like to be a father and husband. That life seems great to me. Basically, there is ‘signs’ that point towards becoming a priest/religious, but also towards the married life. I am stuck in rut and it seems that I will never get out. I feel as if God wants me to do both, and it is so confusing. Does anyone have any advice?
-Unworthy Apostle
I’m in the exact same situation only I’m a woman. I wish I knew the answer!
 
Hi,
I ma a Father of 5 and a Maronite.
If you have that feeling, brother, get married , have kids and become a monk or priest in the Maronite church. It is allowed in the Maronite church.
Believe me, do not miss out what your heart feels, do it and be happy both ways.
Peace.
Can you cite any Maronite, or any Eastern Rite, monastic order that allows married monks? I am almost certain this is not the case. Of course married secular clergy are common in the Eastern churches, but Christian monasticism implies (I think without any exception) celibacy. Please correct me if I am wrong.

In Christ,
Frank
 
See, I have had a great deal of interest in priesthood/monastic life in the past. I even have a desire to do so right now in my current state of life, a college student, but I have conflicting messages within my heart. I want to devote my entire life to God and the church, and I see myself as a priest or even belonging to an order. I have a great love of learning and teaching others. I have a great deal of passion for social justice and acts of charity too. I was even told I would make a good priest by a priest at a parish I used to belong to. So, all the signs seem to add up for me going to the seminary or becoming a novice in an order. However, everytime I see a child, I get this fuzzy and warm feeling in my heart, and I have a desire to have my own child someday. Sometimes I imagine what it might be like to be a father and husband. That life seems great to me. Basically, there is ‘signs’ that point towards becoming a priest/religious, but also towards the married life. I am stuck in rut and it seems that I will never get out. I feel as if God wants me to do both, and it is so confusing. Does anyone have any advice?
-Unworthy Apostle
Hello Unworthy Apostle
certainly for now it would seem the priesthood is not for you.That is not to say that in the future it could be.
Also this is for Monica and yourself please do not forget that we, the laity, have a vocation also.I ,as a wife, mother, daughter grandmother, sister, aunt and so on, have my role to play that by my actions I seek to bring people to God.
Unworthy Apostle & Monica & any others it is highly commendable you are contemplating religious life,and I pray The Holy Spirit will lead you where you are meant to be.
May Gods will be done

God bless you
 
You can get married and become an Anglican and then cross the Tiber.
 
Can you cite any Maronite, or any Eastern Rite, monastic order that allows married monks? I am almost certain this is not the case. Of course married secular clergy are common in the Eastern churches, but Christian monasticism implies (I think without any exception) celibacy. Please correct me if I am wrong.

In Christ,
Frank
Religious are always celibate. We either live in community or are hermits. Monks are religioius; therefore, they are celibate. This is the same for all 22 Catholic Churches. The founders of religious life: Benedict and Basil set it up this way. The Carmelites, whose religious life began in Palestine, were also celibate hermits. All other religious orders and religious houses take their model from these three foundations.

Additionally, Eastern Catholic bishops must also be celibate. Married men can become deacons and priests, never bishops or religious.

It is not easy to change rites. Canon Law does not allow the faithful to go back and forth. If you leave the Church to join the Anglicans so that you can come back and be ordained, it may not happen. You must present a baptismal certificate, which will prove that you were baptized a Catholic and that you apostasized. The Church will take back a repentant sinner, but she does not have to re-ordain that person. The only reason that the Pastoral Provision is made for the Anglicans is because they asked for it and they were born into the Anglican faith.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Just a note, I do not think its a good idea to switch ritual churches unless one really is called to that church’s spirituality, theology, and liturgical practice. With that said you are always welcomed to come visit any Eastern Catholic church, you may find you like it. 👍
 
Just a note, I do not think its a good idea to switch ritual churches unless one really is called to that church’s spirituality, theology, and liturgical practice. With that said you are always welcomed to come visit any Eastern Catholic church, you may find you like it. 👍
I would also add here that while intercommunioin between East and Rome is valid and licit, the Roman Church has very strict rules about Roman Catholics joining the Eastern Churches to protect the integrity of the Eastern Churches. The Eastern Churches are much smaller than the Roman Church. It is in the best interest of the Universal Catholic Church to protect the Eastern Churches by avoiding contamination from the Roman Church.

If the Eastern Churches were to begin to blend with the Roman Church, they would gradually disappear in a century or two. We cannot risk losing them. They are essential to the Universal Church. They have Apostolic Succession to other Apostles that would be lost. They have an ancient tradition, liturgy and culture that dates back to the Apostles which we cannot risk losing, because it would take away from the richness of the Church. It would be like extinguishing a part of our history as a Church. For this reason, the Roman Church has serious conditions that must be met for Romans to go back and forth between the Roman Church and the Eastern Churches. Therefore, if a Roman Catholic becomes an Eastern Catholic for the sake of getting married and being ordained, the likelihood of being received back into the Roman Church is very small. Also, most Metropolitans and Patriarchs frown upon Roman Catholics becoming Eastern Catholics because of the differences between our two tradtions. While we make up the one holy catholic and apostolic church, we are autonomous with the one exception, our communion with the Chair of Peter.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I would also add here that while intercommunioin between East and Rome is valid and licit, the Roman Church has very strict rules about Roman Catholics joining the Eastern Churches to protect the integrity of the Eastern Churches. The Eastern Churches are much smaller than the Roman Church. It is in the best interest of the Universal Catholic Church to protect the Eastern Churches by avoiding contamination from the Roman Church.

If the Eastern Churches were to begin to blend with the Roman Church, they would gradually disappear in a century or two. We cannot risk losing them. They are essential to the Universal Church. They have Apostolic Succession to other Apostles that would be lost. They have an ancient tradition, liturgy and culture that dates back to the Apostles which we cannot risk losing, because it would take away from the richness of the Church. It would be like extinguishing a part of our history as a Church. For this reason, the Roman Church has serious conditions that must be met for Romans to go back and forth between the Roman Church and the Eastern Churches. Therefore, if a Roman Catholic becomes an Eastern Catholic for the sake of getting married and being ordained, the likelihood of being received back into the Roman Church is very small. Also, most Metropolitans and Patriarchs frown upon Roman Catholics becoming Eastern Catholics because of the differences between our two tradtions. While we make up the one holy catholic and apostolic church, we are autonomous with the one exception, our communion with the Chair of Peter.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I’ve never heard anything like that. I imagine most Metropolitan do not like Romans switching over for the wrong reasons (namely joining an Eastern church without a love of their liturgy, spirituality, etc.) but I do not think they have a problem with Romans joining so long as they do it for the right reasons. They definitely do not have a problem with Romans dropping by and coming to our Liturgies. This is of course off topic, and I apologize.
 
I’ve never heard anything like that. I imagine most Metropolitan do not like Romans switching over for the wrong reasons (namely joining an Eastern church without a love of their liturgy, spirituality, etc.) but I do not think they have a problem with Romans joining so long as they do it for the right reasons. They definitely do not have a problem with Romans dropping by and coming to our Liturgies. This is of course off topic, and I apologize.
The misunderstanding is my fault and I apologize. The sentence that you highlighted is not in a good place. I’m referring to crossing over for the sake of being ordained. The two traditions are very different. A Roman who crosses over just to ordained as a married priest is not embracing the tradition. The two traditions are very different. You can’t just go across the street, get ordained, while keeping your Roman mindset in the hopes that you can cross back. I know that Metropolitans and Patriarches are very suspicious when a former Roman crosses over and then asks for Holy Orders.

I hope this helps clarify.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Yeah that makes a lot more sense in the context of everything you’ve said. 🙂
 
See, I have had a great deal of interest in priesthood/monastic life in the past. I even have a desire to do so right now in my current state of life, a college student, but I have conflicting messages within my heart. I want to devote my entire life to God and the church, and I see myself as a priest or even belonging to an order. I have a great love of learning and teaching others. I have a great deal of passion for social justice and acts of charity too. I was even told I would make a good priest by a priest at a parish I used to belong to. So, all the signs seem to add up for me going to the seminary or becoming a novice in an order. However, everytime I see a child, I get this fuzzy and warm feeling in my heart, and I have a desire to have my own child someday. Sometimes I imagine what it might be like to be a father and husband. That life seems great to me. Basically, there is ‘signs’ that point towards becoming a priest/religious, but also towards the married life. I am stuck in rut and it seems that I will never get out. I feel as if God wants me to do both, and it is so confusing. Does anyone have any advice?
-Unworthy Apostle
I would like to say a couple things even though i’m not too experienced in this area. I’ve also had this torn feeling, except I’m a girl, and really didn’t know what to do because I know that we do need good Catholic mothers and fathers just as much as we need good priests and religious. I came to this conclusion (but again, this is just from my experience).

Wanting to have a family and having a strong love for children is perfectly natural. Even people who are called to religious life have this feeling. It comes as part of the spiritual family. Being a spiritual mother or father to other people, including children. It might be something you could talk to your spiritual director about; I only have some knowledge of spiritual motherhood, and fatherhood isn’t exactly my specialty. 🙂 But knowing that I would still be a mother, but in a different way, helped me a lot in my decision. It’s still hard to give up a husband and my own biological family, but God gives abundant graces to those who, in a leap of faith, choose to follow His divine plan. My vocation director told me that every sister that I met, would have made any amazing mother to her own children, the same goes for a priest or brother. Religious, through their celibacy, are called to represent the motherhood and fatherhood of God our heavenly father to everyone. Someone who had no desire to be a mother or father couldn’t do this. Maybe there is a thread or something on this topic. It would be a really good thing to discuss, especially in the vocations section. I think that this is probably the hardest part of discernment.

God wants us to choose His will for love of Him. If he only gives us one option and one desire, it’s easier. But what about when after we make that decision, the devil tries to make us believe we were wrong? How can we know unless we really thought about it before we decided in the first place? Either way, God will not be mad at us if we choose a good path that still leads a good Catholic life. But the way that God wants to use us to really make a difference in the world according to his perfect plan is the way that he calls us too. For some people it may be married life. Look at all the saints who were married.

I can’t stress enough the importance of prayer. Constantly pray. Read as much on BOTH paths as you can. You’ll find that eventually which one that you were made for. It still requires some hard sacrifice, but everything does. A good spiritual director would be really helpful. For now, just pray and trust that if you really want what God wants for you, for the betterment of all humanity, He will tell you when it’s the right time.

Hopefully that helps!! I’ll keep you in my prayers!!!

Jessica
 
I would like to say a couple things even though i’m not too experienced in this area. I’ve also had this torn feeling, except I’m a girl, and really didn’t know what to do because I know that we do need good Catholic mothers and fathers just as much as we need good priests and religious. I came to this conclusion (but again, this is just from my experience).

Wanting to have a family and having a strong love for children is perfectly natural. Even people who are called to religious life have this feeling. It comes as part of the spiritual family. Being a spiritual mother or father to other people, including children. It might be something you could talk to your spiritual director about; I only have some knowledge of spiritual motherhood, and fatherhood isn’t exactly my specialty. 🙂 But knowing that I would still be a mother, but in a different way, helped me a lot in my decision. It’s still hard to give up a husband and my own biological family, but God gives abundant graces to those who, in a leap of faith, choose to follow His divine plan. My vocation director told me that every sister that I met, would have made any amazing mother to her own children, the same goes for a priest or brother. Religious, through their celibacy, are called to represent the motherhood and fatherhood of God our heavenly father to everyone. Someone who had no desire to be a mother or father couldn’t do this. Maybe there is a thread or something on this topic. It would be a really good thing to discuss, especially in the vocations section. I think that this is probably the hardest part of discernment.

God wants us to choose His will for love of Him. If he only gives us one option and one desire, it’s easier. But what about when after we make that decision, the devil tries to make us believe we were wrong? How can we know unless we really thought about it before we decided in the first place? Either way, God will not be mad at us if we choose a good path that still leads a good Catholic life. But the way that God wants to use us to really make a difference in the world according to his perfect plan is the way that he calls us too. For some people it may be married life. Look at all the saints who were married.

I can’t stress enough the importance of prayer. Constantly pray. Read as much on BOTH paths as you can. You’ll find that eventually which one that you were made for. It still requires some hard sacrifice, but everything does. A good spiritual director would be really helpful. For now, just pray and trust that if you really want what God wants for you, for the betterment of all humanity, He will tell you when it’s the right time.

Hopefully that helps!! I’ll keep you in my prayers!!!

Jessica
This paragraph struck a note with me. I’m thinking that the men and women whom I have met with a vocation to the celibate life are really the most parental people I know. By parental, I mean they have a strong parenting skills and a strong desire to be parents. These men and women make the best religious and clerics.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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