I'm curious about this

[kkin]

In the Mass during the Liturgy of the Eucharist, we all say prayers for the Church which usually goes this way:

"Lord, remember our Church throughout the world. Make us grow in love together with Benedict XVI, our Pope, __________________, our Bishop, and all the clergy…"

Which makes me wonder…

What would our Pope say if he celebrated Mass in Rome where he is both Pope and Bishop?

This one?:
"Lord, remember our Church throughout the world, make us grow in love together with myself as the Pope, myself as the Bishop, and all the clergy…"

Just kidding…But please help feed my curiosity! I’m itching to know it!!!

 

[gelsbern]

In those situations, the line is skipped, OR it is altered.

For example, a bishop might say.

Lord, remember our Church throughout the world. Make us grow in love together with Benedict XVI, our Pope, and all your bishops and clergy.

and the Pope would probably say

Lord, remember our Church throughout the world. Make us grow in love together with all the bishops and clergy of your church.

 

[chicago]

The appropriate substitution for a bishop (particularly if he is celebrating Mass in his own diocese) is, “With me, your unworthy servant”.

 

[gelsbern]

Actually you will find very few bishops who will do it that way as they have a higher level of humility than that.

What I gave is the appropriate response and most likely what you would hear.

 

[QUICUMQUE_VULT]

gelsbern:

Actually you will find very few bishops who will do it that way as they have a higher level of humility than that.

What I gave is the appropriate response and most likely what you would hear.

What you GIVE is something that sounds made up.
That may be what is used in your Church
But in the CATHOLIC CHURCH I have always heard the Bishops say “With me, your unworthy servant”

 

[Regi]

QUICUMQUE VULT:

What you GIVE is something that sounds made up.
That may be what is used in your Church
But in the CATHOLIC CHURCH I have always heard the Bishops say “With me, your unworthy servant”

I agree - this is what our Bishop says. I have heard it from many others as well.

 

[chicago]

The specific mentions which are being made are not to be skipped over by a bishop as they are stated to be indicative of the Catholicity and unity of the Mass, celebrated in communion with the pope, through the episcopal collegiality with the the local ordinary (bishop), and by delegation the presbyterate clergy who are attached to the bishops.

Where one will appropriately hear a passing over is when there is a vacancy of see, whether that be in Rome (for the pope) or in a local diocese.

 

[Detroit_Sue]

chicago:

The appropriate substitution for a bishop (particularly if he is celebrating Mass in his own diocese) is, “With me, your unworthy servant”.

Yep, that’s exactly what our ABp. sez. :yup:

 

[Chatter163]

Yes, the rubrics require a bishop in his own diocese to say “me, your unworthy servant,” or in Latin, “me, indigno tuo.” The Pontiff simply says the latter and names no one else. When the Apostolic See is vacant, as it very recently was, the Pontiff’s name is skipped altogether.

Though I have heard the number of the Pontiff mentioned while praying the eucharistic prayer (Benedict XVI, John Paul II, etc.), the proper way is to name the Pontiff without his number (Benedict, John Paul, etc.).

 

[chicago]

Now, I suppose a good follow-up question is what a bishop is to say when celebrating Mass in another diocese than his own. Or an auxiliary bishop even in his own diocese. What I have typically heard is for the bishop to name the pope, the ordinany (bishop of the diocese), then “me, your unworthy servant”, finally going on to the norm of what is written.

 

[gelsbern]

Well, I was wrong, however I had heard a bishop do it that way several times, when I used to attend at a RC Cathedral and the explanation is what he gave. After much searching around, I found this:

ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur40.htm

A priest from Toronto asked about the proper way of mentioning the bishop or bishops in the Eucharistic Prayer.

The General Instruction of the Roman Missal, No. 149, addresses this point:

"If the celebrant is a Bishop, in the Prayers, after the words ‘Papa nostro N.’ (N., our Pope), he adds, ‘et me, indigno famulo tuo’ (and me, your unworthy servant). If, however, the Bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words ‘Papa nostro N.’ (N., our Pope), he adds, ‘et me indigno famulo tuo, et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae N.’ (me, your unworthy servant, and my brother N., the Bishop of this Church of N.).

"The diocesan Bishop or anyone equivalent to him in law must be mentioned by means of this formula: ‘una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro N. et Episcopo (or Vicario, Prelato, Praefecto, Abbate)’ (together with your servant N., our Pope, and N., our Bishop [or Vicar, Prelate, Prefect, Abbot]).

"It is permitted to mention Coadjutor and Auxiliary Bishops in the Eucharistic Prayer, but not other Bishops who happen to be present. When several are to be named, this is done with the collective formula ‘et Episcopo nostro N. eiusque Episcopis adiutoribus’ (N., our Bishop and his assistant Bishops).

“In each of the Eucharistic Prayers, these formulas are to be modified according to the requirements of grammar.”

The GIRM does not, however, specify what is to be done when a bishop, other than the ordinary, presides at a concelebrated Mass.

In this case both the local ordinary and the celebrant should be mentioned.

It is also customary only to mention the Pope’s name, leaving out the numeral and to omit honorific titles such as cardinal.

It does not seem that the bishop emeritus (that is, retired) is usually mentioned unless he conserves the government of the diocese until a successor is named.

Masses celebrated while the Holy See is vacant omit the words “famulo tuo Papa Nostro N.” (N. our Pope). A bishop’s name is also omitted when the diocese is vacant or one celebrates while at sea or in other situations where there is no resident bishop.

Because ecclesial unity is formed through the pope and the bishop it is not correct to extend the prayer by specifically naming priests such as “N. our pastor.”

And to make it easy
usccb.org/liturgy/current/chapter4.shtml
GIRM 149

1. The priest continues the Eucharistic Prayer in accordance with the rubrics that are set forth in each of the Prayers.

If the celebrant is a Bishop, in the Prayers, after the words Papa nostro N. (N., our Pope), he adds, et me, indigno famulo tuo (and me, your unworthy servant). If, however, the Bishop is celebrating outside his own diocese, after the words Papa nostro N. (N., our Pope), he adds, et me indigno famulo tuo, et fratre meo N., Episcopo huius Ecclesiae N. (me, your unworthy servant, and my brother N., the Bishop of this Church of N.).

The diocesan Bishop or anyone equivalent to him in law must be mentioned by means of this formula: una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro N. et Episcopo (or Vicario, Prelato, Praefecto, Abbate) (together with your servant N., our Pope, and N., our Bishop [or Vicar, Prelate, Prefect, Abbot]).

It is permitted to mention Coadjutor and Auxiliary Bishops in the Eucharistic Prayer, but not other Bishops who happen to be present. When several are to be named, this is done with the collective formula et Episcopo nostro N. eiusque Episcopis adiutoribus (N., our Bishop and his assistant Bishops).

In each of the Eucharistic Prayers, these formulas are to be modified according to the requirements of grammar.