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I didn’t want to put anything about what the issue is in the title because it’s of a sexual nature. That being said… I feel like I’m going to trip into some kind of ecstasy from time to time and I get aroused and feel like I have to stuff some passionate fireball from going off inside of me and causing climax. It actually almost happened once when I was doing contemplative prayer, I let go and just tried to enjoy God’s presence and BOOM something went through me and I was aroused in a moment. I don’t know what’s going on, and this certainly does not come across as holy. At least, I’ve never heard of anything like this happening to a saint or anyone else. On top of that, when this happens I feel an almost bridal sense of clinging or intimacy toward Jesus. :confused:

This is freaking me out. I told my priest about the time when it happened in contemplative prayer but he didn’t say much in response because we were in the confession (you can guess the rest.)
 
Yes it’s happened to me before. Had a friend of mine in the 70’s getting strong in his praying who told me it was happening to him. It’s not been that long ago during prayer it started happening to me. I decided it was Satan trying to get my mind and soul off where I needed to be. I just prayed through the situation knowing I would get past.
 
What are you doing prior to and after your “contemplative” prayer?

If you’re viewing certain explicit materials (And you shouldn’t be btw 😉 ) then you might be dwelling on those.
 
I kicked that habit a year ago 😃 Stopped my self-abuse cold turkey because I saw it was feeding into a downward spiral of porn. Subsequently broke free of the porn. And this was before I believed it was a mortal sin! Now I’m addicted to cuddling soft, cold pillows :rolleyes:
 
Why not talk to a doctor about it.? Sounds like you may have some kind of hyper-sensitivity. This is more common with women but men can have this I imagine as well, especially younger men.
 
Consider reading the poetry of St. John of the Cross, you might find some answers there.

It is a love poem between the Soul and God. I don’t think you are the only one to ever have an experience like this.

You probably had such a profound experience of God that your body did not know what to do about it. I think that sex is one of the few physical sensations that would be comparable to a real spiritual unity with Jesus, the Holy Spirit, etc.

Having a bridegroom intimacy with Jesus does not sound like such a bad thing to me - that kind of imagery is all throughout the NT - Many mystics have conveyed mystical union in virtually sexual terms.

If you are not doing anything to physically arouse yourself, or fantasizing about sexual behavior in a lustful way, I would be very reluctant to consider it a sin.

I don’t think our minds can truly process the depths of a truly intimate encounter with God. Yearning for him with your whole mind and existence, and suddenly being completely filled by his presence…

If it does bother you, discernment might be in order. Also, consider some kind of deliverance ministry - if you really do suspect something more sinister/inappropriate, you might need to sever some ties to your past behavior, formal renunciation of previous sexual sins, prayer, fasting… there might be something still clinging to you, in the back of your mind, or somewhere that is causing this.
 
I didn’t want to put anything about what the issue is in the title because it’s of a sexual nature. That being said… I feel like I’m going to trip into some kind of ecstasy from time to time and I get aroused and feel like I have to stuff some passionate fireball from going off inside of me and causing climax. It actually almost happened once when I was doing contemplative prayer, I let go and just tried to enjoy God’s presence and BOOM something went through me and I was aroused in a moment. I don’t know what’s going on, and this certainly does not come across as holy. At least, I’ve never heard of anything like this happening to a saint or anyone else. On top of that, when this happens I feel an almost bridal sense of clinging or intimacy toward Jesus. :confused:

This is freaking me out. I told my priest about the time when it happened in contemplative prayer but he didn’t say much in response because we were in the confession (you can guess the rest.)
Could you make an appointment to discuss this with your priest? If he isn’t available, is there a monastery nearby where you could get spiritual direction? I think I’ve heard of some of the Saints having similar experiences to what you are describing. If this is not something you encourage and it is outwith your control, it can’t be sinful. I would think that if it brings you closer to Christ and doesn’t put stop you from praying, then it cannot be evil. Perhaps it is the way that God is sending you consolation for now?

I will be praying for you.
 
I didn’t want to put anything about what the issue is in the title because it’s of a sexual nature. That being said… I feel like I’m going to trip into some kind of ecstasy from time to time and I get aroused and feel like I have to stuff some passionate fireball from going off inside of me and causing climax. It actually almost happened once when I was doing contemplative prayer, I let go and just tried to enjoy God’s presence and BOOM something went through me and I was aroused in a moment. I don’t know what’s going on, and this certainly does not come across as holy. At least, I’ve never heard of anything like this happening to a saint or anyone else. On top of that, when this happens I feel an almost bridal sense of clinging or intimacy toward Jesus. :confused:

This is freaking me out. I told my priest about the time when it happened in contemplative prayer but he didn’t say much in response because we were in the confession (you can guess the rest.)
Judging by what you have described, I personally would not be all that worried 🙂

Having spiritual experiences similar to the human, physical orgasm is pretty much a staple aspect of Catholic mysticism. What better way of describing spiritual ecstasy and union with God? The orgasm is the most pleasurale human sensation so pleasurable that it almosts reaches divine heights if properly done. Its thus the best means for describing and understanding spiritual experience.

Sex is the closest union between human beings possible on earth.

"The inner purpose of human sexuality is to regain wholeness and manifest the oneness of God" - Daniel Chanan Matt (Jewish Zohar translator)

“The sexual relationship is in reality a thing of great exaltation when it is appropriate and harmonius…Keep this great secret and do not reveal it to anyone unworthy, for here is where you glimpse the secret of the loftiness of an appropriate sexual relationship…When the sexual relation points to the Name, there is nothing more righteous or more holy than it” - Medieval Kabbalist Moses ben Nahman (1194-1270 AD)

Just read some of the poetry of Catherine of Genoa, John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila etc. All very erotic-like experiences, conveyed through the medium of human sexual intercourse between a male and a female - just llike in the Song of Songs.

From personal experience, I have never actually felt “orgasm” during intense periods of prayer ie genital stimulation - may I ask do you actually feel the sensation of physical orgasm in your privates when you undergo these ecstatic experiences?

When I was about 9-13, I went through puberty a bit earlier than most boys my age. I also was intensely spiritual and religious. I would pray every day and read the Bible every day. During this period, I had many ecstatic spiritual experiences which in hindsight - having now experienced sexual orgasm - seemed very similar to the feelings and emotions (although not the actual physical pleasure) which I experience during and immediatly after orgasm. At the time however, as I had not yet actually experienced orgasm, I did not make the connection.

For example I would feel pure “elation” and “exhiliration”. A warmth would come through my body after about half an hour of intense prayer and meditation on the Word of God. I would get this tingling feeling, that would be very, very pleasurable. In my chest - and this was the most memorable bit - I would get this sensation like pure ectasy that would completely take my breath away, and I would grow faint and gasp out loud like in a sweaty heat wave, but I had no sweat and felt marvellously cool. It was almost like a tension but a very cool and pleasing one that would rise throughout my entire body - kind of like a full body orgasm but without the actual carnal pleasure and without me having an erection or anything, nothing physical like but very overwhelming. I would feel completely calm and joyful for about a day or two after, as if I was high on some kind of drug or had just had a release of endorphins. You know that feeling just after you’ve orgasmed and its like so peaceful and calm? Pioneer sex researcher Alfred Kinsey once wrote, “A marked quiescence of the total body is the most widely recognized outcome of orgasm.”

That’s exactly how I felt - it was truly wonderful. It was actually better than orgasm, since orgasm is (for the most part) a purely sense experience, purely physical but this was physical, emotional, mental and spiritual - all in one. I felt so high.

At this stage in my life, I was going through puberty. My hormones were going crazy. I was having my first wet-dreams, erections and the inevitable childish, innocent curioisity which resulted in me masturbating, even though I didn’t actually - as yet - understand what it is that I was doing to myself. I just thought, “wow! why does this feel so good?” Ah…how naive I was…anyway, I think that God provided me with these very erotic-like spiritual experiences to help me realize that physical pleasure and sexual abandonment is nothing compared to the heat of God’s love, burning for the salvation of our souls.

“**To fall in love with God is the greatest of all romances;
To seek Him, the greatest adventure;
To find Him, the greatest human achievement.” **

*~St. Augustine *

(continued next post…)
 
St Teresa of Avila provides some good advice regarding these kinds of experiences:

**When He touches me I clutch the sky’s sheets,

the way other lovers do

the earth’s weave of clay.

Any real ecstasy is a sign

you are moving in the right direction,

don’t let any prude tell you otherwise.**

St. Teresa of Avila (1515-1582)

To the carnal mind this sounds like Teresa is having some really good sex with a man, but it isn’t at all. She’s describing one of her many spiritual encounters with the Lord. She was the mentor, friend and contemporary of St John of the Cross and was one of the most ecstatic lovers ever to have emerged from the Christian tradition. Her goal was spiritual marriage with Christ, the mere thought of which always made her faint in the heat of love. Her poems are vigorous, contemporary and in this particular case raunchily humorous. Teresa was a beautiful looking woman, but her pride was not in her physical prettiness but the beauty of her soul - which I assure you was utterly ravishingly beautiful! She was a woman of the world as well as a contemplative and so is known not only for her mystical visions, ecstasies and raptures but also her reforms of the Carmelite order, her courage and her humour in the face of corrupt clergy.

As you can see, Teresa envisions herself and God as marital lovers. Their bedsheets are the sky, the earth is their bed and in between the two lovers consummate their love.

The Catholic mystic St Catherine of Sienna also wrote much about her sensual experience of God:

**“I won’t take no for an answer,” God began to say to me, when He opened His arms each night wanting me to dance…I first saw God when I was a child, six years of age. The cheeks of the sun were pale before Him, and the earth acted as a shy girl, like me. Divine light entered my heart from His love that did never fully wane, though indeed, dear, I can understand how a person’s faith can at times flicker, for what is the mind to do with something that becomes the mind’s ruin: a God that consumes us in His grace. I have seen what you want; it is there, a Beloved of infinite tenderness…He has never left you. It is just that your soul is so vast that just like the earth in its innocence, it may think, “I do not feel my lover’s warmth against my face right now.” But look, dear, is not the sun reaching down its arms and always holding a continent in its light? God cannot leave us. It is just that our soul is so vast, we do not always feel His lips upon the veil" **
  • St Catherine of Sienna
Catherine and many love poets and mystics have used dancing as a metaphor for their relationship with God… She experiences God love’s as child and later as a kind of romantic love, and she often wrote of her love for God as a passionate love, like a sexual love between a bride and a bridegroom.

St. Catherine of Siena (1347-1380, Italian), began loving God at an early age.

“When Catherine was seven years old her longing to wed god became so intense she left home alone to find a cave in the forest of Leccto where a known settlements of hermits was said to live … During the night, while in prayer, Catherine felt a great uneasiness come over her body, and her limbs became numb. Feeling a little frightened, suddenly she heard a divine voice say, ‘How brave you are my child, but let our wedding be later.’ The next thing Catharine knew she was at home in her own bed, no one had missed her, and she was absolutely sure that what had happened was not a dream. The next day she took her brother to the cave and asked him to go inside and see if anything was there. He returned, carrying two sticks Catherine had bound together into a little cross with part of the hem torn from her dress and also the uneaten loaf of bread … [she had brought]. On seeing these, Catherine fell upon her knee with deep thanks and happiness and a faith in God.”

Phila love, or brother-sister love, and agape love – Divine love – can be deeper and more satisfying than erotic, romantic love. May we remember in our daily lives to love the Lord our God with all our hearts, souls and minds – to be like the young stag in Song of Solomon.

See this video:

youtube.com/watch?v=NHbiXCaEOuI

Its a version of St John of the Cross’ epic poem, “The Dark Night of the Soul” sung and put to music by an artist called Loreena McKennit. I adore it.

Note how erotic it is! It can be read as the prototype of all spiritual journeys or simply as a beautiful love story.

Much love in Christ 🙂
 
Thank you for your help. And while it is a genital experience, it’s also spiritual, emotional, and so on. I really do feel like a woman being made love to sometimes when it happens. (I even described it to a female friend of mine and she said I nailed it.) Rapture, just wanting to reach out and draw Christ in close. But I never thought it would happen to me, never considered or prayed for something like this. Perhaps this is why I’ve suffered so much in trying to find love from a woman (which I never actually accomplished, not only sexually but even in entering into a real relationship). It’s just odd. But if it’s a mystical experience, well… I’ve had quite a few of them. Visions, locutions, words, touches where something just hits me intuitively that was a matter of faith after an emotional buildup, and infused contemplation even I think. I really want to take up the priesthood or something at this point… one of the visions showed me in “Heaven” robed as a friar from the OFM, but so far I haven’t really felt called to it although out of obedience I took Francis as my patron… but I don’t feel very devoted to him so IDK.

Heck, I even originally converted to Christianity because of a night vision of my future.

What am I… :confused:
 
I actually wrote a description of one of these ecstatic experiences I had when I was fourteen or fifteen. Now I MUST warn you. Its TERRIBLY written. I am no poet. However I felt so moved by this overwhelming, orgasmic-like experience that I felt that I had to commit it to writing. Here it is and I REALLY APOLOGIZE for the sexual imagery.

So please ignore the awful, exaggerated prose and poetics, I was a very young teenage boy who was trying to explain an experience that words couldn’t adequately describe, except - I discovered - through sexual imagery and metaphors.

My Beloved speaks, can’t you hear the call? A lover’s voice!
O melody sweet and pure! He cries out in my heart, with Hidden Words -!
Secret psalms and lily tunes -!
Pleasant waves of being -! flowing throughout my soul; that unite me with my Beloved, that come to me as in a sacred embrace.
This is the eternal rest I tell you! where the two become one, where my heart and his lie down together on one bed, in the Bridal Chamber of the soul, where our lovemaking is consummated and made manifest.
And yet we two remain as before, but changed and reborn in our love for each other. O what wondrous mystery!
Place your hands into me, my Beloved one, play your fingers upon the heartstrings of my love! O how I faint and falter at your touch!
Strap me up!
Fasten the belt of your spiritual strength around the passions which choke the life from my soul!
Whip me with the rod of your mercy, until the blood, the selfish desires which clog up my being, bleed freely from the wounds you have inflicted upon me in the raw heat of your desire to be with me (to dominate me for yourself/ for your good pleasure)!
For your yoke is the only slavery I long to be captive of, the only yoke that engenders true freedom, the sweet, delectable nectar of your Hidden Breath (O mighty Lord). I relent, I give in to your peace, I waste myself entirely in the drunken stupor of your love, I drink the wine of your kisses and taste the joyfulness of your fragrance on the tongue of my inmost being! Come into me, I am open! my spiritual body is laid wide for you to enter in and make your home. I submit to the authority of your voice pounding in my heart.
O handsome Beloved! O Kisser of the Spirit!
O Giver of the raptures of the inner temple! overpower me with your grace,
for I am helpless before the shining light of your face,
too beautiful for mortal eyes to behold! shatter my stony heart with your passionate embrace, plough my inner being, search every part of me !
I am a field, wanton and ready to be ploughed at your every desire, patient longing wallows in the pits of my heart.
I long for nothing else but to feel you move and quake within me, a silent whisper, more sudden and forceful than the roar of the sea.
Draw forth from the wellspring of our love everything in me that clings still to the fleeting dusts of this present world and replace it yet; fill it full with the Love of you and you Alone O Master of my emotions!
And then I will die in you, and arise no more to greet the rising of the sun, for lo! I have present to the inner eye of my spirit that undying sun whose glory stretches across the ages, that is plentiful light enough for my soul, a harvest I reap gladly with my sickling delight.


…Now I ain’t no woman, I’m 100% male - but it did feel kinda like (what I imagine) it would feel like to be the feminine half in the sexual act, although it wasn’t actually sexual if you get what I mean but spiritual…Strange…Perhaps I was just going through a bizare stage!
 
I actually wrote a description of one of these ecstatic experiences I had when I was fourteen or fifteen. Now I MUST warn you. Its TERRIBLY written. I am no poet. However I felt so moved by this overwhelming, orgasmic-like experience that I felt that I had to commit it to writing. Here it is and I REALLY APOLOGIZE for the sexual imagery.

So please ignore the awful, exaggerated prose and poetics, I was a very young teenage boy who was trying to explain an experience that words couldn’t adequately describe, except - I discovered - through sexual imagery and metaphors.

My Beloved speaks, can’t you hear the call? A lover’s voice!
O melody sweet and pure! He cries out in my heart, with Hidden Words -!
Secret psalms and lily tunes -!
Pleasant waves of being -! flowing throughout my soul; that unite me with my Beloved, that come to me as in a sacred embrace.
This is the eternal rest I tell you! where the two become one, where my heart and his lie down together on one bed, in the Bridal Chamber of the soul, where our lovemaking is consummated and made manifest.
And yet we two remain as before, but changed and reborn in our love for each other. O what wondrous mystery!
Place your hands into me, my Beloved one, play your fingers upon the heartstrings of my love! O how I faint and falter at your touch!
Strap me up!
Fasten the belt of your spiritual strength around the passions which choke the life from my soul!
Whip me with the rod of your mercy, until the blood, the selfish desires which clog up my being, bleed freely from the wounds you have inflicted upon me in the raw heat of your desire to be with me (to dominate me for yourself/ for your good pleasure)!
For your yoke is the only slavery I long to be captive of, the only yoke that engenders true freedom, the sweet, delectable nectar of your Hidden Breath (O mighty Lord). I relent, I give in to your peace, I waste myself entirely in the drunken stupor of your love, I drink the wine of your kisses and taste the joyfulness of your fragrance on the tongue of my inmost being! Come into me, I am open! my spiritual body is laid wide for you to enter in and make your home. I submit to the authority of your voice pounding in my heart.
O handsome Beloved! O Kisser of the Spirit!
O Giver of the raptures of the inner temple! overpower me with your grace,
for I am helpless before the shining light of your face,
too beautiful for mortal eyes to behold! shatter my stony heart with your passionate embrace, plough my inner being, search every part of me !
I am a field, wanton and ready to be ploughed at your every desire, patient longing wallows in the pits of my heart.
I long for nothing else but to feel you move and quake within me, a silent whisper, more sudden and forceful than the roar of the sea.
Draw forth from the wellspring of our love everything in me that clings still to the fleeting dusts of this present world and replace it yet; fill it full with the Love of you and you Alone O Master of my emotions!
And then I will die in you, and arise no more to greet the rising of the sun, for lo! I have present to the inner eye of my spirit that undying sun whose glory stretches across the ages, that is plentiful light enough for my soul, a harvest I reap gladly with my sickling delight.


…Now I ain’t no woman, I’m 100% male - but it did feel kinda like (what I imagine) it would feel like to be the feminine half in the sexual act, although it wasn’t actually sexual if you get what I mean but spiritual…Strange…Perhaps I was just going through a bizare stage!
That’s actually not too bad. I remember imagining offering myself up on an altar when it happened during contemplation. It’s sweetness of prayer, then I start to feel full of pressure and fire and I become aroused, and then I long to reach out and wrap my arms around Him and pull myself up and into Him and give myself up into His embrace, longing for Him, wanting to cling as tightly as I can. But while this is happening I usually fight it back because it comes across as so strange and masturbatory to me. Like, if I have to let this have its way as opposed to it just taking me over then it’s sinful.

(We better not let the Protestants see this thread :whacky: )
 
That’s actually not too bad. I remember imagining offering myself up on an altar when it happened during contemplation. It’s sweetness of prayer, then I start to feel full of pressure and fire and I become aroused, and then I long to reach out and wrap my arms around Him and pull myself up and into Him and give myself up into His embrace, longing for Him, wanting to cling as tightly as I can. But while this is happening I usually fight it back because it comes across as so strange and masturbatory to me. Like, if I have to let this have its way as opposed to it just taking me over then it’s sinful.

(We better not let the Protestants see this thread :whacky: )
Yes, I think it might throw many off lol! 😉

That’s an incredible experience. It does seem very erotic. I think it says one thing: Pure, passionate love and desire for Christ - a spiritual desire - which seems to manifest itself in you as a kind of sexual euphoria.

I do, however, understand your concerns. But I wouldn’t worry, as far as I’m aware as long as you don’t do anything to actively stimulate your privates, then this is something that is quite spontaneous and beyond your control, meaning that it cannot possibly be sinful.

Lets wait and see if anybody else has had similar experiences. 😃

You are in my prayers!!!
 
Thank you for your help. And while it is a genital experience, it’s also spiritual, emotional, and so on. I really do feel like a woman being made love to sometimes when it happens. (I even described it to a female friend of mine and she said I nailed it.) Rapture, just wanting to reach out and draw Christ in close. But I never thought it would happen to me, never considered or prayed for something like this. Perhaps this is why I’ve suffered so much in trying to find love from a woman (which I never actually accomplished, not only sexually but even in entering into a real relationship). It’s just odd. But if it’s a mystical experience, well… I’ve had quite a few of them. Visions, locutions, words, touches where something just hits me intuitively that was a matter of faith after an emotional buildup, and infused contemplation even I think. I really want to take up the priesthood or something at this point… one of the visions showed me in “Heaven” robed as a friar from the OFM, but so far I haven’t really felt called to it although out of obedience I took Francis as my patron… but I don’t feel very devoted to him so IDK.

Heck, I even originally converted to Christianity because of a night vision of my future.

What am I… :confused:
Don’t worry! “Do not be afraid”, as Christ said 🙂 You have a Guardian Angel with you at all times too.

I have personally never had any visions or any of the other phenoma you have experienced, so I can’t really comment.

I have though done this…I’ve had this question that I really wanted answered. I then feel moved to write the question down on a piece of paper and then, automatically and without thinking, I start writing and out comes a full answer to my question that is pages long in a matter of minutes - like 3 or 4.

I was disturbed after one of these occassions and so actually asked a question on CAF, you can read what I wrote here (I’ve did it multiple times, this is just one example): forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=553755

I doubt that there was anything “mystical” about it, but it is funny when it happens. Have you experienced anything like this?

Also, sometimes spiritual love can be so powerful that iot makes physical love pale in significance 🙂 Perhaps you are called to the celibate life? Listen to God, he has a plan for you.

Please also, if it still continues to bother you, see a priest about this for some closure (as others have suggested) 🙂

I know you might feel “embarressed” telling a priest about this, because of its explicitly erotic character, but if he has any knowledge of theology he will have read about this kind of thing before through the mystics.
 
Yes, I think it might throw many off lol! 😉

That’s an incredible experience. It does seem very erotic. I think it says one thing: Pure, passionate love and desire for Christ - a spiritual desire - which seems to manifest itself in you as a kind of sexual euphoria.

I do, however, understand your concerns. But I wouldn’t worry, as far as I’m aware as long as you don’t do anything to actively stimulate your privates, then this is something that is quite spontaneous and beyond your control, meaning that it cannot possibly be sinful.

Lets wait and see if anybody else has had similar experiences. 😃

You are in my prayers!!!
I am not of a mystical bent, and have not experienced anything like this, but one of my friends related such an experience happening to her in prayer, although I wasn’t given any details. She is a religious Sister, but not a contemplative. I think sometimes, also, this is similar to what some in the Charismatic renewal sometimes experience when they encounter the Holy Spirit in a profound way, according to what some people have told me who have had the experience.
 
I am not of a mystical bent, and have not experienced anything like this, but one of my friends related such an experience happening to her in prayer, although I wasn’t given any details. She is a religious Sister, but not a contemplative. I think sometimes, also, this is similar to what some in the Charismatic renewal sometimes experience when they encounter the Holy Spirit in a profound way, according to what some people have told me who have had the experience.
Thank you dear brother for this information! 🙂
 
Okay I actually did come across something like this in the writings of St John of the Cross …or was it St Teresa of Avila? sorry I don’t remember. One of them said that - when a person is not totally purified, it can happen that consolations in their spirit can affect their body in such a way that they feel aroused. After the dark night of the senses, they are more purified and their experiences of consolation become more purely spiritual. To some this might seem like they become less strong, but actually - based on the Saints, consolation that is purely spiritual is actually greater, not lesser, than consolation that is spiritual + physical. When there’s a physical component, it’s like the body is confused and doesn’t know how to react to what you experienced - but really, it’s because you’ve not been purified in this way yet. Don’t feel bad about that because no one starts out purified. 🙂 I just thought it might help you to know that the Saints did speak of this, and said it goes away as the soul progresses in virtue.

As for whether or not you are sinning… this is something to ask a priest. If you had only felt extreme love for Jesus - and if what you experienced did not involve anything sexual - (even if it’s still physical in that you might feel warmth, etc) - then I wouldn’t say that’s any sin. But if added to that, you also felt something definitely sexual, - then it’s better not to consent to that part, and to fight that. If you don’t consent, it’s not a sin.

Regarding the writings of the mystics… I’ve also read their writings where they talk of a very ‘spousal’ love for Jesus… however - I think we should understand that their experience WAS purely spiritual. (as I described in the first paragraph… they were in fact purified very much). They just probably couldn’t find the words to describe what they had experienced spiritually; so they used this kind of language. This does not mean that they felt anything sexual. But neither was their experience of God something cold, distant, or not involving the emotions. I read a story of a someone (a monk?? or a priest? in any case, someone who lived a holy life) - who experienced spiritual ecstasy, and said to God, “if this is Heaven, it is enough”. And God told him, Heaven is infinitely greater.

Regarding the feelings you have towards Our Lord where you wish you could hold Him close, etc, - I’m very, very torn between saying that is okay (minus the sexual feelings), and saying, like some would, that it’s a bit too familiar or even irreverent. I mean, a person can feel great love for God but not have this same imagery. I would ask the others in this forum, what they think of that… as I am not sure. Does anyone know? But …consider the Eucharist. How Jesus longs to come into our hearts and we receive Him. There’s nothing “distant” in that. And often I think, if I were to see Jesus, I would want to hug Him too - though I am completely unworthy… but this wouldn’t be something formal, like how people hug each other when they don’t really know each other. If Jesus is our greatest Friend, if He loves us infinitely, if we in fact receive Him into ourselves in the Eucharist and become one with Him - there’s nothing formal, cold, with Him. If we read the writings of the Saints, again their relationship with Him was very close, very intimate. So if you could feel this love for Him but without the sexual feelings, that would be more “pure” - as I described… but as it is, it’s not a sin if you don’t consent. And if the love you feel for Jesus is similar to how people might feel towards their spouses: especially women: that does not make it sexual in itself. I’d talk to a good priest if I were you, because he’d know more.

God bless 🙂
 
That’s actually not too bad. I remember imagining offering myself up on an altar when it happened during contemplation. It’s sweetness of prayer, then I start to feel full of pressure and fire and I become aroused, and then I long to reach out and wrap my arms around Him and pull myself up and into Him and give myself up into His embrace, longing for Him, wanting to cling as tightly as I can. But while this is happening I usually fight it back because it comes across as so strange and masturbatory to me. Like, if I have to let this have its way as opposed to it just taking me over then it’s sinful.
the aroused part could be sinful if you consent, and it could also present a dangerous temptation to you. It would be best to not consent to that part at all and push it away/distract yourself.

but the other part about wanting to be so near to Our Lord… I’m wondering about that… I do not know. I hope someone in this forum can help answer that. ??? Maybe it’s just that your soul is experiencing God’s love, but your mind doesn’t know what to do with that yet. 😛 because if we think about how Jesus loves us, it is something very intense. Maybe when you consider something like - giving yourself to Christ and being in union with Him, - your mind associates that with spousal love (it makes sense why; in fact marriage is only a shadow of the union we can have with God in Heaven). Maybe it’s a matter of being purified so it’s experienced more spiritually, as the Saint (St John of the Cross or St Teresa of Avila) says. If this happens again (I mean the images and wanting to hug Christ), - don’t consent to it, but give it to God, and ask Him to take it away if it displeases Him. Speak to a good priest.
(We better not let the Protestants see this thread :whacky: )
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