I'm finally getting a hardcore protestant to see the truth!

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Christian4life:
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Wait, why am I trying to help…I’m not Catholic!:eek:
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Hehe Me either, but I have found that in trying to build bridges it is most helpfull to find common practices. In my church intercessory prayer in encouraged and I find patitioning the saints to be much the same thing.
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wcknight:
Well, no Catholic I know of prays “TO A picture” or to a statue or to any object ever. Such a thing is as wrong to us as it is to you.
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How I wish it was that way. He spacifically said he prayed TO the picture of Mary. The person I am speaking of was hardly a “good Catholic” and probably had no idea about the nature of petitioning the saints. I remember this in particular because my friend was rather distraiught over it. He became a Babtist minister.
 
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Shlemele:
How I wish it was that way. He spacifically said he prayed TO the picture of Mary. The person I am speaking of was hardly a “good Catholic” and probably had no idea about the nature of petitioning the saints. I remember this in particular because my friend was rather distraiught over it. He became a Babtist minister.
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I guess we’ve got another “cafeteria Catholic” to thank for this.
 
Rand Al'Thor:
I’ve made the point about asking saints and others in heaven to pray for us as being the same as asking a friend, and I always get the same response. “They’re dead; they can’t pray for you.” One line in one psalm being the only backing for that statement, regardless of other bible passages I’ve quoted.
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This is something I really don’t understand even as a Protestant convert. Maybe I never really was a listening Protestant 😉 but I never really thought that when we die as Christians we were “dead”. I always thought we’d be more alive in Christ than we ever were on Earth.
I found acknowledgement of that belief in Catholic doctrine. What exactly does that mean, that we are dead and we can’t hear or pray for anyone once united in Christ in heaven? What does one who believes that say about 1 Cor 15:22 or Rom 5:21? I’m curious because it seems so obvious to me and I would think it would be a major sticking point who think that dying in Christ and praying to “dead” Christians is essentially equal to divination?
 
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Jennifer123:
This is something I really don’t understand even as a Protestant convert. Maybe I never really was a listening Protestant 😉 but I never really thought that when we die as Christians we were “dead”. I always thought we’d be more alive in Christ than we ever were on Earth.
I found acknowledgement of that belief in Catholic doctrine. What exactly does that mean, that we are dead and we can’t hear or pray for anyone once united in Christ in heaven? What does one who believes that say about 1 Cor 15:22 or Rom 5:21? I’m curious because it seems so obvious to me and I would think it would be a major sticking point who think that dying in Christ and praying to “dead” Christians is essentially equal to divination?
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I agree with you 100%. I told him as much (that we may die, but our souls live on forever with Christ) but he simply refuses to believe it…with that one psalm only to back it up. Every quote I’ve provided (and I’ve tried to stay away from the dueterocanonicals because he obviously doesn’t believe them) he’s got some reason why it doesn’t apply. Like in Revelation, where it talks about the incense being the “prayers of the saints”…evidently that doesn’t refer to them praying for us because it doesn’t say it word for word.
 
How about just giving him the web site for Catholic Answers?

That should do it.😃

God Bless Pope Benedict XVI!
 
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Kyenta:
How about just giving him the web site for Catholic Answers?

That should do it.😃
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I have. He claims to have read the links I posted, but then his later posts showed he had only skimmed the basic idea of the answers.
 
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CARose:
I too love John’s stuff. He has a great down to earth approach that’s easy to follow and hits the points well.

CARose
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John is awesome! I love his talks … and he is extremely approachable too … I have had a number of emails go back and forth with him. He will be getting some new stuff soon!
 
Rand Al'Thor:
I’ve made the point about asking saints and others in heaven to pray for us as being the same as asking a friend, and I always get the same response. “They’re dead; they can’t pray for you.” One line in one psalm being the only backing for that statement, regardless of other bible passages I’ve quoted.

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Has he ever had a loved one die? I ask because while it is true that many Protestants will make the claim that the dead have no knowledge of the living, in reality they don’t believe this. I have had many nonCatholic friends tell me how comforted they are knowing that their dearly departed family member is looking down on them from heaven. The exact same people will make the same claims that your friend is making.There seems to be a disconnect between Protestant’s intellectual believes on the dead and what their emotions and commonsense believe. Of course, if your friend is young, he might not have yet had this particular belief tested.
 
Rand Al'Thor:
I agree with you 100%. I told him as much (that we may die, but our souls live on forever with Christ) but he simply refuses to believe it…with that one psalm only to back it up. Every quote I’ve provided (and I’ve tried to stay away from the dueterocanonicals because he obviously doesn’t believe them) he’s got some reason why it doesn’t apply. Like in Revelation, where it talks about the incense being the “prayers of the saints”…evidently that doesn’t refer to them praying for us because it doesn’t say it word for word.
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Wow - I just find that so sad and surprising really that Protestants don’t “get” it, it’s really a wonderful thing to have the advantage of so many brothers and sisters in Christ!
 
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