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mariyka
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My Baba told me to pretend I was a baby bird in the nest!
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valient_Lucy
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Well, I attended the Divine Liturgy today. It was lovely!
They did have chairs though. And the music was weird at first. But then I grew to like it.
They did have chairs though. And the music was weird at first. But then I grew to like it.
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5Loaves
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Thanks for those lovely photos!
At my Russian Byzantine Catholic parish we do have the blessed bread and wine to take as one passes by having received Holy Communion. It remains there on the side table until the end of Liturgy. Someone might take the bowl the bread is in off the table and kind of offer it to those going by. Our temple is so small and that table is in a limited space easily prone to traffic jams so usually that blessed bread and wine just sits on the table for self serve. I haven’t been to DL at any other Byzantine Catholic parish to know what goes on elsewhere. (What needs “washing down” at my parish is typically that blessed bread which can be a bit hard/dry.In most Orthodox parishes I am aware of (OCA/Russian tradition), there is blessed bread and wine readily available to help move the Sacred Species into your inner sanctum.One may encounter this practice at a Russian Catholic mission, although I can’t say for sure…
I have noticed that in Byzantine Catholic parishes one does not normally encounter the blessed bread except on special dates and then usually at the end of liturgy.
)Thanks for those lovely photos!
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5Loaves
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What kind of Byzantine CC did you go to? (Melkite, Ruthenian, Ukrainian etc.)…And the** music was weird at first**. But then I grew to like it.
Hope you’ll say a little more about your experience.
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5Loaves
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Men just leave beer stains!
Well, not if they’ve kept the fast.
I guess you mean they have their post liturgy eating and beer and then return to the temple for a farewell kissing of the icons. 
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Hesychios
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That seems to be common for Russian parishes (and OCA), except the wine is available too.
[BTW, the last photo is from St Elias Ukrainian Catholic]
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choy
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tilt head, open mouth, cross armsJust close the mouth and turn away. One may cross oneself once one is safely away from the chalice and spoon.
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In most Orthodox parishes I am aware of (OCA/Russian tradition), there is blessed bread and wine readily available to help move the Sacred Species into your inner sanctum..
Otherwise it may be possible to take a sip of Holy Water.
I have noticed that in Byzantine Catholic parishes one does not normally encounter the blessed bread except on special dates and then usually at the end of liturgy.
http://www.saintelias.com/foto/big/dismisantidor_elia.jpg
what if i’m taller than the priest? i’m 6’0"
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wynd
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I’m 6’2". Bend your knees slightly
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choy
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thanks! this is where i plan to attend…
holyeucharist.ca/
and i like what you first read on their website:
The Ukrainian Catholic Church was established in Canada more than 100 years ago, in response to the needs of Ukrainian immigrants. Nowadays this Church is open to every person who is interested in experiencing and learning more about the Eastern Christian (Byzantine) tradition and way of worshiping.
holyeucharist.ca/
and i like what you first read on their website:
The Ukrainian Catholic Church was established in Canada more than 100 years ago, in response to the needs of Ukrainian immigrants. Nowadays this Church is open to every person who is interested in experiencing and learning more about the Eastern Christian (Byzantine) tradition and way of worshiping.
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Hesychios
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Be sure to make a point of attending during the Easter season next year as well, it is not to be missed.thanks! this is where i plan to attend…
holyeucharist.ca/
and i like what you first read on their website:
The Ukrainian Catholic Church was established in Canada more than 100 years ago, in response to the needs of Ukrainian immigrants. Nowadays this Church is open to every person who is interested in experiencing and learning more about the Eastern Christian (Byzantine) tradition and way of worshiping.
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5Loaves
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Not sure what that refers to.
We have both.
edit: now I see in the final photo you posted, with the bishop apparently at the bowl of blessed bread that there doesn’t seem to be any wine. So are you thinking that is a Russian thing, having blest wine there? I’m rarely at a Divine Liturgy at an Orthodox church, and wouldn’t be presenting myself for Holy Communion so I can’t say I’ve noticed. I’m usually at an Orthodox church for something like Vespers or a vigil, with no Eucharist, tho there is the occasional Feast Day I’m there for DL.
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The one in Brampton, Ontario? Their Fr Deacon David has been very helpful to me with a problem we were having. They have a great website! I love it. It is full of resources. I actually started to site it for valient Lucy to check out, then changed my mind since so much information had already been passed on to her.
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Hesychios
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Actually for some reason I misread your post and thought you only wrote about the blessed bread. I see my mistake.
Blessed bread and blessed wine directly after receiving the Holy Eucharist seems to be Russian.
Blessed bread only, and that only after some liturgies, seems to be Ruthenian practice (in the larger sense, perhaps including western Ukrainians around L’viv, I cannot say).
When I first visited the Belorusian mission in Chicago they followed the Nikonian liturgy (but as I recall had the blessed bread only, people were drinking down the holy water though, which as a Latin Catholic at the time was amazing to me). Thinking back I could be mistaken about the absence of blessed wine but I think they may have adapted their practice due to the high expense of the wine against the very small size of the congregation.
In the other hand I was pretty overwhelmed at the time and couldn’t take it all in, plus I had begun visiting other EC parishes in the same time frame. Had I gone to the firehouse a few more times I am sure I would remember the details a lot better.
Yes, in the photo that appears the be the mitred archpriest Roman Galadza, the man who founded the parish. He certainly is not a bishop.
I give them a lot of credit for spearheading the restoration of traditional practice in their church in North America.
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5Loaves
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I’m so glad you mentioned this, Michael. I had no idea a priest could be awarded a mitre. I wonder if I’ve ever seen one with it before. If it’s part of the Greek tradition then it is possible I may have seen that at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral here. I know for sure I’ve seen Russian and Greek bishops with the mitre, I know those were bishops; it was during special feasts with the bishop present. There’s one, Bishop Benjamin, in the Ft Ross Liturgy photo. I know I have been at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral when a bishop was there, but it could have been another time that it wasn’t a bishop wearing a mitre.
Learn something new every day! I’ll be more inquisitive next time I see a mitre and don’t know the person who is wearing it.
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Aramis
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Roman Abbots also get miters, without being bishops. I know several retired abbots who still are entitled to their miters even tho’ they ceased functionally being the abbot of a given monastery some years before.
In most byzantine traditions, a bishop wears a saccos (a kind of over-dalmatic, usually with bells) instead of the phelonian (the eastern garment equivalent to the western chasuble, and of the same origin). A mitered priest will still wear the phelonian; some bshops do as well, but the saccos is more properly the vestment of a bishop than is a phelonian. Also, the bishop will appear to have a stole over the saccos or phelonian; this is called the omophorion, and is of the same origins as the western pallium.
As for the bread and wine: in some traditions, the bread left over after cutting the particles to be consecrated will be cut up an placed in a basket; these leftovers are called the antidorion, and while blessed, are not consecrated and do not become the body of christ. This is usually the bread presented. In some traditions, a large loaf is used, so there is plenty of antidorion; in others small loaves are common, and far less antidorion is present. Likewise, Russians have wine blessed with the wine used for the gifts. Like the antidorion, it is left on the side table, and not consecrated.
As for “too tall for the priest”… bend the knees a bit, or use a wide stance, or both…
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5Loaves
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The only Byzantine bishops I see typically get to see are Orthodox because we Russians are under Latin Bishops…
In my parish we have Pomyannik booklets for recording the names for commemoration of the living and the departed at the Liturgy. Also, we have individual small papers for the same purpose for visitors to use, or people who don’t use a Pomyannik booklet . There are small prosphora loaves on a platter. One writes the name for intentions at the Liturgy on the paper or in their own Pomyannik and sticks the Pomyannik/paper and prosphora together on the platter and makes a donation. After Divine Liturgy those little loaves and the Pomyannik/papers are returned to the platter for the person to pick them up. A cube has been removed by the priest and was placed on the diskos for the commemoration that one requested. We eat the little prosphora loaf that was returned to us before eating anything else.
I think the blessed bread/antidoron and wine on the side table we’ve been talking about is call zapivka in the Russian churches.
We also pretty much all squat a bit when receiving Holy Communion, except for some of the most elderly.
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