I'm not a Catholic because

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So dear friend; God has no role in your life? What happens just kinda happens?šŸ¤·

WOW!

God Bless,
Pat
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Iā€™m not sure what the ā€œWowā€ is for. I canā€™t speak for cheese_sdc, but ā€œWhat happens just kinda happensā€ describes my experience. Iā€™ve never discerned Godā€™s presence, in response to prayer or inany other way. That doesnā€™t keep meout of the Church though, since I know hat many faithful Catholics have no personal experience of the reality of God.
 
=dingodile;8514744]Iā€™m not sure what the ā€œWowā€ is for. I canā€™t speak for cheese_sdc, but ā€œWhat happens just kinda happensā€ describes my experience. Iā€™ve never discerned Godā€™s presence, in response to prayer or inany other way. That doesnā€™t keep meout of the Church though, since I know hat many faithful Catholics have no personal experience of the reality of God.
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Maybe youā€™ll find it interestering to learn that God actually controls everyone that crosses our lifes path. And every one is an opportunity for some kind of grace.

God usually speaks very softly and in a varity of ways. Sometines He uses others to speak for him on his behalf and sometimes it just it what happens to us. But God is ever present and always trying to gain our attention so that we can know it is Him behind what is happening.

The WOW may have been out of place? Iā€™ve never met anyone who never ecounter God; even atheist do and donā€™t know it. The reason for this is God being ā€œgood, fair and justā€ obligates Himself to offer to everyone sufficient grace to know Him. Not eveyone wants to and often these graces are refused.

SORRY about the WOW!

God Bless,
Pat
 
Roy5 said:
** There is much about Catholicism that I admire,** as I have repeatedly said.
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**My principal problem is its claim to be infallible in all of its basic teachings. I was just reading the bio of Pope Benedict XVI that he himself has written**. Fascinating little diary-type book. I was interested in how, for example, various faculty members at his seminary years ago took issue with the doctrine of the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. They argued, among other things, that it hadn't appeared within the Church until the 5th century, that there is no evidence for it in scripture and that it was not embraced by the early Christians  However, once the dogma was proclaimed in 1950 by Pius XII those professors changed their tune overnight. The Church, they wre quick to admit, knew more than they did! They rushed to embrace 'the party line'.
 **Now, that represents rather well the main reason I have had to keep a distance from Catholicism.** Yes, I know the arguments. The Holy Spirit guides the Pope so that when he speaks ex cathedra he cannot err. I know, too, that to dissent is usually dismissed as egotism. But I simply can't give up my mind and even my conscience to go along just to go along. If the Church would only allow folks like me to be part of the Church without surrendering the freedom to think differently....well, I guess i"ve made my point.
** Obviously millions of people srenā€™t troubled by the limitations that Catholicism places upon freedom of thought and expression.** Mother Church, they believe, cannot be mistaken in matters of doctrine and morals. They arenā€™t troubled when, for example, Hans Kung is denied the right to teach in a Catholic university - Kung, one of the great theologians of modern times. That sort of lock-step requirement troubles me, and I believe it alienates many others. It also is ignored by millions upon millions of Catholics who continue in the Church while simply ignoring many of its teachings - ā€˜cafeteria Catholicsā€™. Millions of others have left the Church because of their differences with the Magisterium.

** On the other hand, for those who are content with all this, fine. No criticism on my part. **However, I would be a hypocrite, a liar, and a phony to profess doctrines that I either doubt or reject. My refrain remains: believe in God, seek to emulate Christ, but ā€˜think and let thinkā€™. If we focus on what we believe in common, this tribal sectarianism, based more on loyalty to cult than unity of thought, would disappear and Christians could rejoice in a spirit of reconciliation and cooperation. I wonder if this is impossible because of our sin of pride, something we all wrestle with. ā€œMy Church is better than your church!ā€
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  **Off on a tangent. **I was interested - was it on this thread? - that some poster reported that 88,000 Protestants had become Catholic in the USA in the past year. No surprise, especially if you count the many mixed marriages. But how many Catholics drifted from the Church into nothingness or even into some variety of Protestantism? Protestants don't keep such figures and it strikes me as a bit weird that Catholicism does. Sound slike Protestantism is the enemy??? I do know that Protestant churches around here have attracted many former Catholics - both mainline and evangelical churches.They never seem to focus on that.

** Let us make religion a bridge rather than a barrier**. God bless Catholics, Protestants and His children of every creed, color, culture and country. I'm sure the Lord isn't all that interested in our dogmas and liturgies. He checks out our hearts and how much love is in them for him and for one another. The rest is window-dressing. I keep repeating myself because I'm hoping that it will influence at least a few readers to give this emphasis on love over doctrine and liturgy serious consideration.
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Here is a controversy you might want to considerā€¦There was discussion about the Canon of the Bible prior to declaration. After the Canon of the Bible was declared by the Church in the Early Centuriesā€¦do you find any arguments by anyone that the Bible was not the Bible up until sometime long after 1611ā€¦The party line was embraced.
 
dingodile said:
Iā€™m not sure what the ā€œWowā€ is for. I canā€™t speak for cheese_sdc, but ā€œWhat happens just kinda happensā€ describes my experience. Iā€™ve never discerned Godā€™s presence, in response to prayer or inany other way. That doesnā€™t keep meout of the Church though, since I know hat many faithful Catholics have no personal experience of the reality of God.
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I was listening to a Priest give a sermon. He said when he was younger, he was with his grandfather who was bed ridden and he was the only one there with him. He knew his grandfather periodically soiled himself and prayed to God that he would not do so while he was alone with him. He saidā€¦God answered my prayersā€¦He said no and my grandfather went on to soil himselfā€¦He reminded us that prayers are always answered just not in the way we likeā€¦and it for us to discern the answer. Perhaps as you discern you may find more than you can appreciate now.
 
Iā€™m not Catholic because if I became Catholic, I would be automatically deemed a heretic.
 
=Agnikan;8517577]Iā€™m not Catholic because if I became Catholic, I would be automatically deemed a heretic.
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So dear friend,

Heres the choice God gives you:)

Either your in charge or God is in cgarge. The responsibility canā€™t be split.

IF your a Christian? The bible from the first to last page always and everywhere allows belief in only One God [him-Trinue]

In Only One set of Faith beliefs [His as taught today by the ONLY God-FOUNDED releigion in the history of the WORLD

And Only One Church [His Catholic Church] the New Testament ALONE has over 100 references to this;)

So now what is MORE important? Being called a heritic or not getting to heaven? Its your choice.šŸ‘

**Matt.10: 1-4 **"And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebā€™edee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him. **AND 26-33 ""So have no fear of them; for nothing is covered that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. What I tell you in the dark, utter in the light; and what you hear whispered, proclaim upon the housetops. And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground without your Fatherā€™s will. But even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows. So every one who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven; but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. **

And Jesus gave the keys to the Kinhdom of heaven to ONLY Peter and todays catholic Church:)

**Matt.16 Verses 18 to 19 **" And I [JESUS] tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

I and we can help you IF youā€™ll permit us too.

God Bless you,
Pat
 
PJM said:
So now what is MORE important? Being called a heritic or not getting to heaven? Its your choice.šŸ‘
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Thatā€™s interesting. It seems that the more conservative Catholics on this site call the more liberal Catholics ā€œhereticsā€, suggesting heresy is a bad thing to be avoided at all costs. Youā€™re saying that being a heretical Catholic is, really, not such a bad thing.
 
Agnikan said:
So youā€™re saying that a Catholic may freely choose heresy?
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Youā€™d rather stay safe, and not become a Christian?
Do you even want to be a Christian or you like being a Hindu?
youā€™ve been a Hindu all your life?
 
Agnikan said:
Iā€™m not Catholic because if I became Catholic, I would be automatically deemed a heretic.
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I do not understand. Accroding to this site there is no such thing as a heretic in Hindu thought.šŸ‘

beliefnet.com/Faiths/Hinduism/2002/02/Why-Im-Proud-To-Be-A-Hindu.aspx
A faith which uniquely does not have any notion of heresy in itā€“you cannot be a Hindu heretic because there is no standard set of dogmas from which you can deviate that make you a heretic.
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=Agnikan;8517717]Thatā€™s interesting. It seems that the more conservative Catholics on this site call the more liberal Catholics ā€œhereticsā€, suggesting heresy is a bad thing to be avoided at all costs. Youā€™re saying that being a heretical Catholic is, really, not such a bad thing.
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Friend,

How the heck do you reach that WRONG conclusion:shrug:

God Bless you,

Pat
 
fbl9 said:
So what you are saying is that you want to be Catholic, but donā€™t believe all the Catholic teachings?
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Iā€™m saying that the reason Iā€™m not Catholic is because, if I were Catholic, I would be deemed a heretic.
 
Agnikan said:
Iā€™m saying that the reason Iā€™m not Catholic is because, if I were Catholic, I would be deemed a heretic.
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duh me. i think i get it now.
of course if you were a Catholic you would indeed be called a heritic by adhearing to Hinduism.
 
Agnikan said:
Perhaps, but there is such a thing in Christian throught.
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Yes. You stated that you could not be Catholic for you would be a heretic. So your logic does not compute.

For clarity sahibā€¦tell me if you became a Catholicā€¦would the Hindu or Catholic or some other body deem you to be a heretic and why?
 
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Yes. You stated that you could not be Catholic for you would be a heretic. So your logic does not compute.

For clarity sahibā€¦tell me if you became a Catholicā€¦would the Hindu or Catholic or some other body deem you to be a heretic and why?
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Firstly, there is no concept of such a thing as being labelled a heretic in Sanātana Dharma, or Hinduism as westerners would call it. Secondly, there is no one in the Hindu faith who has any authority whatsoever on a local, national, global, formal or informal capacity to confer such a judgment on anyone. It is not a litigious faith - rather it is a spiritual faith. As a Hindu, I could walk down the streets of Calcutta proclaiming Jesus Christ and Mary and the Holy Spirit, and while people might look at me funny, they would not have any thought of labeling me a heretic. It would simply occur to the people who witnessed the spectacle that this was my path, and they would get back to theirs. Many of them might conclude that there was something seriously wrong with me, but they would also assume that having something seriously wrong with me was my rightful path.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
Sufjon said:
Firstly, there is no concept of such a thing as being labelled a heretic in Sanātana Dharma, or Hinduism as westerners would call it. Secondly, there is no one in the Hindu faith who has any authority whatsoever on a local, national, global, formal or informal capacity to confer such a judgment on anyone. It is not a litigious faith - rather it is a spiritual faith. As a Hindu, I could walk down the streets of Calcutta proclaiming Jesus Christ and Mary and the Holy Spirit, and while people might look at me funny, they would not have any thought of labeling me a heretic. It would simply occur to the people who witnessed the spectacle that this was my path, and they would get back to theirs. Many of them might conclude that there was something seriously wrong with me, but they would also assume that having something seriously wrong with me was my rightful path.

Your friend
Sufjon
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Well thank God. There is something seriously wrong with the whole of humanityā€¦for donā€™t you know that by one manā€¦
 
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