I'm not homophobic

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Being against same-sex marriage doesn’t make me homophobic – and that’s not just my opinion, it is supported by this article in the Atlantic,

Being Against Gay Marriage Doesn’t Make You a Homophobe

which reads in part:
If it’s “anti-gay” to question the arguments of marriage-equality advocates, and if the word “homophobic” is exhausted on me or on polite dissenters, then what should we call someone who beats up gay people, or prefers not to hire them? Disagreement is not the same thing as discrimination. Our language ought to reflect that distinction.
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I would argue that an essential feature of the term “homophobia” must include personal animus or malice toward the gay community. Simply having reservations about gay marriage might be anti-gay marriage, but if the reservations are articulated in a respectful way, I see no reason to dismiss the person holding those reservations as anti-gay people.
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Maybe I’ll start reading The Atlantic more often. 🙂
 
Thanks for posting. Sadly our political polarized world isn’t welcoming of ‘honest differences or opinion’. Too often people who believe that marriage is between one man and one woman are disparaged as ‘haters’ for our convictions.
 
We will eventually forced to even say homosexuality is a good lifestyle (can’t event stay “neutral”). In fact, for some place, it may even be here.
 
Jestersage said:
We will eventually forced to even say homosexuality is a good lifestyle (can’t event stay “neutral”). In fact, for some place, it may even be here.
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It is already presented this way in the media and to our children in schools.
 
Ontheway said:
It is already presented this way in the media and to our children in schools.
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Yes, it’s in the schools it’s especially concerning. Children are easier to "indoctrinate " to an agenda in younger ages.
 
Peter_J said:
Being against same-sex marriage doesn’t make me homophobic – and that’s not just my opinion, it is supported by this article in the Atlantic,

Being Against Gay Marriage Doesn’t Make You a Homophobe

which reads in part:
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That is good to hear because it allows for a diversity of opinion without calling people names. The term homophobe always bothers me because it seems manipulative.
Maybe I’ll start reading The Atlantic more often. 🙂
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It’s nice to have validation in the secular media - although we know that we don’t need or seek their approval, but it certainly does help when they get it right.
 
“Homophobia” is an inaccurate term for so many reasons. It’s pathetic that it has gained such widespread usage as a hammer to beat people who don’t 100% follow a pro-gay agenda. I refuse to use the word. :nope:
 
Being against gay marriage isn’t homophobic by itself, but in my and others experience, the chunk of the population against gay marriage has a larger percentage who are actually homophobic than the general population. Oftentimes, depending on where you live, it can be a safe bet. 😦

One of my good friends who’s very Catholic always clarifies with the phrase “love the sinner, not the sin”. People generally tend to be relatively okay with that.
Jestersage said:
We will eventually forced to even say homosexuality is a good lifestyle (can’t event stay “neutral”). In fact, for some place, it may even be here.
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Forced…by who?
SyroMalankara said:
Calling everyone homophobic might be a sign of HETEROphobia.
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It’s not. Ask any non-hetero person about their experience. To try and bring up HETEROphobia…there’s really zero comparison.
 
Shredderbeam said:
Being against gay marriage isn’t homophobic by itself,
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Thank you. 🙂
Shredderbeam said:
but in my and others experience, the chunk of the population against gay marriage has a larger percentage who are actually homophobic than the general population.
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I think if you know about statistics and correlations, then the larger-percentage you mentioned comes as no surprise – on the contrary, what would be surprising is if that weren’t the case.
 
When your stated position fundementally rests on the denial of other people’s rights based on their sexuality, nuance isn’t something you are in a position to demand. It is given at the pleasure and grace of those whose rights you are trying to deny.
 
SolicitorPirate said:
When your stated position fundementally rests on the denial of other people’s rights based on their sexuality, nuance isn’t something you are in a position to demand. It is given at the pleasure and grace of those whose rights you are trying to deny.
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LOL That’s not what typical primate behaviour looks like.
There’s no such thing as “rights” on The Discovery Channel - it’s the law of the jungle.

‘Nuance’? “Pleasure and grace” ?

Nuance this.
As a species, we survive by opposite-gender mate selection. Heterosexuality is the overwhelming normal sexual behaviour. And treating abnormal sexual behaviour as an undesireable “out group” is neither hateful or phobic. It’s quite rational and harmonious with our evolutionary psychology.
 
SolicitorPirate said:
When your stated position fundementally rests on the denial of other people’s rights based on their sexuality, nuance isn’t something you are in a position to demand. It is given at the pleasure and grace of those whose rights you are trying to deny.
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I have no interest in trying to keep gay couples from having the same tax benefits, visitation rights, etc that straight couples can have. I just don’t believe that gay marriage is valid marriage regardless of what the law might say. (On a side note, if you do believe that gay marriage is valid marriage, then presumably you would believe that regardless of what the law might say, no?)
 
SolicitorPirate said:
When your stated position fundementally rests on the denial of other people’s rights based on their sexuality, nuance isn’t something you are in a position to demand. It is given at the pleasure and grace of those whose rights you are trying to deny.
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I’m bisexual, and I’m married to a woman. Suppose I were to demand that people let me marry a man, too, and the three of us being all married together in one big (weird) family. Do you think anyone who would deny me that right has no right to be talked about in a sensitive and nuanced way?
 
Peter_J said:
I think if you know about statistics and correlations, then the larger-percentage you mentioned comes as no surprise – on the contrary, what would be surprising is if that weren’t the case.
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Well, statistically it would be very surprising, true enough, unfortunately. That’s the sad world we live in.
 
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