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[Hastrman]

OK, pagans, this “An ye harm none, do as thou wilt” nonsense has got to stop. First off, it’s bad grammar: “ye” is plural, “thou” is singular.

Second, it’s not pagan. It’s a modification of a quote from the medieval poet Rabelais, who was so intensely Catholic he lived in a constant pattern of profligacy and repentance. Not a pagan bone in his body.

Third, you obviously get it from Aleister Crowley’s Book of the Law, where he quotes the Rabelais line: “‘Do as thou wilt’ shall be the whole of the law.”

Fourth, it’s *really *not pagan. “Do as thou wilt”, harm or no harm, is the attitude of an individualist. No pagans were individualists. A man who did not live for his clan was considered not only worthless, but a dangerous lunatic, like a lone wolf or an old lion. The Irish word for “man without a clan” actually means “headless man”, because such a person lived with no sense of responsibility or obligations, but simply ran wild like a chicken with its head cut off.

But please, explain why I and Cicero and Aristotle and the Mabinogion and Irish mythology and the Rg Veda are wrong, and the Barnes and Noble New Age section is right.

 

[St_Aloysius]

Hi, Pagan Fury! What be up?

I’m fourteen, also male, and am very much attracted to a friend of mine whom I just happen to think would look dashing in a speedo (he is on swim team, after all)–or without one. Whichever you prefer.

I come from a Protestant background. I’m aspiring to become a confirmed Catholic, though. (I’m in CCD now, just getting experience. My madre is making me wait to go through with it.) I love Jesus. I just happen to think he’s nifty as pie. You by no means have to like him. Of course, if God really is love and kindness and friendship and all that jazz, like I keep hearing, then you probably do like him more than you know–just not in the context of the Church.

(I think confessions are done in small rooms for solemnity or privacy or something. I’m pretty sure that it could be out on a beach and be just as valid. Can’t say, though.)

You’re free to believe and act as you wish. Catholicism 101: Free will. Have fun. (Tell you boyfriend I said hey and that I hope he looks good in a speedo.) I’ll be praying for you.

Pray for me, too. Okey-dokey, artichokey?

Peace be upon your clan

 

[FaithofAbraham]

You’re free to believe and act as you wish. Catholicism 101: Free will. Have fun. (Tell you boyfriend I said hey and that I hope he looks good in a speedo.) I’ll be praying for you.

Things like this are why people say the Church is corrupted.

 

[Gamera]

OK, pagans, this “An ye harm none, do as thou wilt” nonsense has got to stop … Second, it’s not pagan. It’s a modification of a quote from the medieval poet Rabelais, who was so intensely Catholic he lived in a constant pattern of profligacy and repentance. Not a pagan bone in his body.

I’ve never met a real pagan, only people who quote this pseudo-pagan line, play-worship a few deities from mythology websites and confuse historical paganism with Ozzfest hedonism. Get back to me when you’ve sacrificed some babies to Moloch, or some prisoners of war on the stone steps of an Aztec pyramid, then I’ll believe you’re a pagan. Pagans historically have no problemo “harming” others.

I’ve met a lot of posers, but I’ve never met a real pagan. As Willow Rosenberg put it, “Just a bunch of wanna-blessed-be’s.”

 

[St_Aloysius]

Things like this are why people say the Church is corrupted.

I never said it was right. I just said he had the free will to choose.

 

[RebeccaJ]

On that note, I open the floor to you all, and finger my pentacle lovingly as I wait for responses.

Child, God Loves you.

 

[Grace_Angel]

1)To the Ignorant catholic/christians of this thread:
In the bible, JESUS said ‘To each man his own religion’
No where does it say ‘condemn people because they do not follow ME!’
Doesnt God also make exceptions for those who don’t know Him?
a pagan, unless Christian beforehand, wouldnt know God or Jesus
Basically He’s saying ANYONE can enter Heaven.
Even Satan, he’s fallen by CHOICE, he can turn and praise God when he wants, but Satana DOESNT WANT TO!
2) Thor and Hercules are the favored sons of King Gods who dwelt among mortals alledgedly, and saved their lives constantly from the giants and the elves and the titans…Hmmm…favored Son of God…wouldnt that also be Jesus who saved peoples lives…titans, elves and giants…could they not be Nephelim??Zues, Thor and stereotypical Old-man God all have the same attributes…love kindness, mercy…fatherhood.
Could other Gods;ie athena, loki, be ANGELS/DEMONS/DEVILS?
3) I hear Christians mock Buddhists, but Jesus WAS a Buddha!
4)Not claiming this as truth, but the devil cant go near the bible, but he go near those TRANSLATING/WRITING it!
For example; could HOMOsexuality being a sin, supposed to have been BIsexuality, or even HETEROsexuality?
Hmm…interesting…
5)Hey Ignorants, the bible says that the pathway to Heaven is narrow and hard to notice, but the one to hell is wide and mostly walked on. 90% of population since Christs coming has followed him strictly,in words, minds,body and heart and totally set up to go to Heaven. How then is the pathway small and narrow? Its because of close minded fools, yes FOOLS, like you.
6)I know Satanists, Pagans, Atheists, Buddhists, Wiccans, and Christians.
and Im willing to bet I’ll see them in heaven. Because God/Zeus/Odin etc speaks not through the bible or Torah or any other book, (havent your parents told you dont believe everything you read?)but through your heart and mind and soul.
7)You claim magic and rituals come from the devil; but on ash wednesday I have to put burnt leaves on my forehead or in my hair…sound RITUALISTIC to me.
also in magic you ask the gods for something. (ie health, money, love) kinda like praying, no? Oooo, what about White Magic? Does HEALING come from the devil?
8)How come the devil gets blamed for EVERY BAD THING?
a)there’re other demons/devils whose fault it is; learn your demonology folks!
b)if the devil fell without someone telling him to, why cant humans?
c)or Gods fault? I have many medical issues, many people prayed for my and have done surgery, couldnt I be like this to show YOU theres nothing wrong with a funny walk or retardation or any other disease?(Dont even gimme that “it didnt come from God” nonsense! Evil cant touch you til youre like 5 years old, because GOD HIMSELF has his hand upon you!! also why homosexuality CANNOT be a sin, as sexuality genes are implanted at birth.)
Yes it is by Jesus and God you will enter Heaven, but If you dont know them, you can be saved by good deeds!
9)how come we address God as ‘He’? IT is an omnipotent, omniscent being, with no gender preference! IT also has no names but what we give IT!
10)also if youre a good person, you can unintentionally walk in the footsteps of jesus, making you like him, and therefore getting accepted into heaven without ever ACCEPTING Him.

Amicus 1. Your post is long and I dont have the time to spend on it but I want to make comment on this’ You said:
10)also if youre a good person, you can unintentionally walk in the footsteps of jesus, making you like him, and therefore getting accepted into heaven without ever ACCEPTING Him."

You dont accept Jesus? sunshine you wont get in. He is the Way, He is the whole Truth, and He is Life.
If you are talking about the “natural Law” or the law written on the heart Jer. 31:31, you still need to go through the doorway into paradise, which is Jesus. Who is God. “The Father and I are one”
and “you cannot come to the Father except through me”
I think what you wrote is mischieveous. Sorry.
GraceAngel.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

I never said it was right. I just said he had the free will to choose.

God decides who comes to Him or not, John 6:44.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Things like this are why people say the Church is corrupted.

Agreed

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

The thing is these so called pagan are not telling us what they believe.

I mean if I say that I am a monotheist. that does not tell you if I Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Shike ( i don’t think that last one is spelled right.)

Pagan belief in many different gods. But what religion of gods are they holding to? Geek,Roman, Hindu, one of the Native American tribes, Aztec, Mayan, Celtic, Norse, Germanic. I mean there are a world of different beliefs that being a pagan could be. I did not even mention the Wicca, and the many different new age ideas out there.

They come here to tell us we are wrong and to find offense when he show them why we are not.

I look to all of this a a sign that the teachings of Christ and the Apostles and Prophets are coming true.

 

[buffalo]

In the past pagans were searching for the truth. Today’s pagans reject truth.

 

[justinthemartyr]

Ill just let you sit on the knowledge that I am 17, male. I have a boyfriend, whom I love and do naughty things to in public settings. I strongly dislike the Catholic church in that they have kept me down, and my strong Pagan ties have given me stablilty and strength through the hardest of times. All without God, Jesus, or Jehovah, bet you didn’t know that was possible.

May be wondering why a Pagan is coming onto a Catholic forum, well… I’m not begging for my soul, I’m returning the favor. Too many Catholic visit the Pagan forum and tell us what sinners and heathens we are. In fact many of us aren’t Heathen in that, Heathen is a completely unique spiritual path, like druidism, Witchcraft, etc.

On that note, I open the floor to you all, and finger my pentacle lovingly as I wait for responses.

Wow, you sound a lot like me growing up!

It was only a matter of time, self inflicted pain and the option reduction process that brought me to new life.

A human being only has so many options, between sex, humans in general, alcohol, drugs, food, money etc, before they all end up being temporal happiness which never, ever endures.

At the end of these and other options, you will find a loving Creator who will fill that God shaped hole in your soul that you will find you were trying to fill the entire time with other, much less enduring things. you’re young, have fun and bring the pain on quicker as I did.

God actually removed the desire for homosexuality from me, along with drugs and alcohol and theft etc… in the blink of an eye. Amazing! nothing a human, a drug, alcohol, could take from me.

Today I am empowered by the Living God, historically, factually.

 

[Amicus1]

But you just did it.

You said I judge people when I say they commit a sin, and that that’s a sin.

But really, you did not sin by doing that, even though you may think you did.

If you think I sinned, and that by pointing it out to me, you might help me avoid sin in the future, then you are acting out of love.

If we say, “You are going to Hell,” we are judging.

If we say, “_________is a sin,” (and the Bible clearly says it is), then we’re not judging–we’re simply speaking the truth.

Can you show where the Bible says that saying something is sinful is necessarily a sin?

Peace.
John

i noted you were sinning
when you al lbasically told Pagan Fury he was sinning.
one person noting hes a sinner, he understands, but to re-itterate the fact after 8 or so pages of ‘sinner-bashing’
thats kinda picking on him

 

[FaithofAbraham]

i noted you were sinning
when you al lbasically told Pagan Fury he was sinning.
one person noting hes a sinner, he understands, but to re-itterate the fact after 8 or so pages of ‘sinner-bashing’
thats kinda picking on him

We are supposed to rebuke until the devil leaves him.

Luke 4:35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.

 

[AnAtheist]

I’ve never met a real pagan, only people who quote this pseudo-pagan line, play-worship a few deities from mythology websites and confuse historical paganism with Ozzfest hedonism. Get back to me when you’ve sacrificed some babies to Moloch, or some prisoners of war on the stone steps of an Aztec pyramid, then I’ll believe you’re a pagan.

Oh, I know some real pagans. And they don’t sacrifice babies to anyone so they are probably not that real. Maybe they are only playing their worship.
But so does each and every Christian I have ever met. They are just playing their worship, but do not really follow anything Jesus has said. Like not pulling splinters out of other people’s eyes, or keeping in mind that rituals are not more important than faith.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I mean if I say that I am a monotheist. that does not tell you if I Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Shike ( i don’t think that last one is spelled right.)

You thinking of the Sikhs?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Oh, I know some real pagans. And they don’t sacrifice babies to anyone so they are probably not that real.

A lot of pagans are pro abortion I wonder why.

 

[Amicus1]

We are supposed to rebuke until the devil leaves him.

Luke 4:35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.

i didnt read ALL your posts
but i dont think you even MENTIONED the devil
you only mentioned how Pagan Furys heart is closed blah blah blah
what you SHOULD have said issomething along the lines of “Get behind him, Satan”
By the way, i dont quite think arguing with Belial over the internet is going to make him leave…dont’t you need to actually SAY what you want from God

 

[FaithofAbraham]

i didnt read ALL your posts
but i dont think you even MENTIONED the devil
you only mentioned how Pagan Furys heart is closed blah blah blah
what you SHOULD have said issomething along the lines of “Get behind him, Satan”
By the way, i dont quite think arguing with Belial over the internet is going to make him leave…dont’t you need to actually SAY what you want from God

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

 

[Amicus1]

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

where in those quotes did it say
fight satan out of other people
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