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truelove_88 said:
when you co-habitat you fornicate
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They are not one and the same. Cohabitation is a living arrangement. Fornication is sexual relations. Cohabitation involving fornication is a mortal sin. Cohabitation alone does not constitute grave matter.
 
maria29 said:
Umm are you refering to incest among brother and sister? If so, I really do recommend talking with a priest immediately. What a horrible thing to say about a brother and sister who want to watch out for each!
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I am not talking about insist, I am saying that if you have the option to live with a family member of the same sex you should, for modesty’s sake.
As for insist if I had meant that I would have stated it. I said temptation/B and yes siblings and family members can be a cause for temptation, by immodest dress, action and talk.
 
“True” Love 88 - I second those who advise you to seek out a good Priest or Spiritual Advisor. Perhaps give the Apologists at Catholic Answers a call and ask to speak to Fr. Vincent Serpa.
 
truelove_88 said:
The definition of co-habitation is two or more people of the opposite sex living together under one roof; who are unmarried, boyfriend-girlfriend, engaged couples, or just as roommates,
even if they are not romantically involved it would still be co-habitation.

It is still co-habitation even when it involves friends and siblings, it would be very immodest and inappropriate to live with an unmarried sibling of the opposite sex, people will assume there is more going on than simply trying to save on rent and more often than not they do not know that the other person is a sibling.

Co-habitation is fornication, it goes against God’s laws and commandments and therefore it is a mortal sin, we cannot separate co-habitation and fornication they go hand in hand, they are both mortally sinful and displeasing to God.

so in answer to your question, yes living with someone of the opposite sex, family, friend or not it is still co-habitation and therefore is fornication.

God bless
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People will assume opposite sex siblings living together are having sex?:eek: What kind of people? People that are sick in the head. Is English your second language because fornication is consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other, look it up in the dictionary for Pete’s sake. Better yet is the definition from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
**2353 *Fornication ***is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young.
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You need to study the teachings of the church it is obvious that you have not by your inaccurate blanket statements. If the church teaches such things please show me where.
 
kevinsgirl said:
They are not one and the same. Cohabitation is a living arrangement. Fornication is sexual relations. Cohabitation involving fornication is a mortal sin. Cohabitation alone does not constitute grave matter.
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co-habitation does constitute grave matter, it is a mortal sin. I.e goes against the teachings of God and his laws. Therefore whether or not you are fornicating it is still MORTALLY SINFUL to co-habitat.
 
rayne89 said:
People will assume opposite sex siblings living together are having sex?:eek: What kind of people? People that are sick in the head. Is English your second language because fornication is consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other, look it up in the dictionary for Pete’s sake. Better yet is the definition from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

You need to study the teachings of the church it is obvious that you have not by your inaccurate blanket statements. If the church teaches such things please show me where.
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I study and no English is my first language, thank you. I do believe that people don’t read the entire post, I said people will not automatically know it’s a sibling so they will assume. Simple human nature.

And yes people do think that way have you ever been to a college town or lived in a big city with a roommate? If not then you can’t for own say they don’t. People will not generally care so they won’t take the time to find out, next best option is to assume.

And thank you so very much for all of your very Christine posts towards me, I truly appreciate them. God bless
 
truelove_88 said:
co-habitation does constitute grave matter, it is a mortal sin. I.e goes against the teachings of God and his laws. Therefore whether or not you are fornicating it is still MORTALLY SINFUL to co-habitat.
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I suggest starting another thread about this.

(by the way, please show me Catholic teaching that says all co-habitation is a grave matter.)
 
kage_ar said:
“True” Love 88 - I second those who advise you to seek out a good Priest or Spiritual Advisor. Perhaps give the Apologists at Catholic Answers a call and ask to speak to Fr. Vincent Serpa.
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First off thank you for the advice.
Secondly I do go to confession weekly and I know the Catholic Faith and it’s teachings.
Thirdly I am completely aware of this thread and the posts, and I am completely aware of what I wrote in reply.
Finally I am not talking about my own situation, I am speaking in return to another’s post; however, I can tell you I was advised by a very devout priest, that to room with my brother out side of the family scenario would be immodest and cause for scandal. It doesn’t matter whether or not you are brother and sister, people would rather take less time and assume what is going on then to really investigate and find out what is really going on. Therefore it is better to avoid the situation and prevent scandal.
 
Liberanosamalo said:
And co-habitation is not fornication. Fornication is actually having sexual intercourse with someone with whom you weren’t married. I lived in my parents’ home with my siblings as we all finished college and went out into the world. I promise you we weren’t having intercourse! But we were cohabitating. And there was no abomination going on.

You’re telling me I lived in mortal sin with my siblings for all those years? And how about a son I know who lives with his elderly mother? You going to accuse them of mortal sin? Incest?

I don’t think so.

For unmarried couples who are cohabiting and intend on marriage (as opposed to family members), cohabiting is wrong even if you aren’t actually having sexual relations, because it is a near occasion of sin. And if you can live for a year and a half and not be tempted, then maybe you need to rethink marrying that person.
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First off family life is not co-habitation, it is not even looked at as co-habitation. Co-habitation is living with someone whom you are not married to.
And yes living with a sibling of the opposite sex one-on-one would be considered co-habitation, because of the scandal it could cause and the fact it would be immodest.
 
True Love,

I think that a lot of us are saying to you is that to equate fornicaton with co habitation is not correct. While, I believe, you will find that most of those on this forum will agree that we are not to co-habitate before marriage, there are circumstances that the Church says it is okay and these are on a case by case basis. But you must bear in mind that they must live as brother and sister.

If you say that a brother and sister are not to share an apartment together then you need to provide some Church teaching that supports this statement. Simply hearing it from one priest will not justify this. I have read a lot on the Church’s teachings on moral theology and have yet to see that a brother and sister cannot live together.

Again, to live with a member of the opposite sex, say a fiance to save up money for a house, for financial reasons is not a valid reason and the Church does not agree that this is acceptable. If it is a case where it cannot be avoided, they are to live as brother and sister. Brothers and sisters do not have sex. They are living a in a morally acceptable way.

Please realize that you cannot make a bold statement that “no one of the opposite sex can live together or they will be in a state of mortal sin” and not have some documented proof for it.

That would be like me saying that a priest told me that “Ah use artificial birth control since you cannot afford another baby right now.” Would that make it right? ABC is against what the Church teaches, but a priest says that it is ok? What if a priest says that you cannot drink alcohol? Should you not have a glass of wine? Does that put you in a state of mortal sin because a priests says so? The Catholic Church does not teach that.

That paragraph was used to make a point here. You cannot say that this is a mortal sin without support (other than a priest told you).
 
maria29 said:
This is so wrong I don’t even know where to begin. No where in Church teachings does it say we cannot live with our siblings…Look at Martha, Mary and her brother all lived together. Did Jesus rebuke them? NO!!! Because its not wrong, evil or immoral.

If you have a parish priest or advisor, I would seriously suggest going to talk to him about these issues.
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I am not quoting a biblical passage nor am I speaking of a situation where it involved more than two siblings living together in a day and age where that was normal and scandal would not have been caused. I am speaking of this day and age where scandal can be caused very easily and it is best to avoid such situations whenever possible. I am saying that temptation can happen to any one whether or not they are family, and I am saying that the Church does say that Co-habitation is immoral and evil.
I do talk to good solid priests all the time, and I have talked to apologists and theologians, I have also read Church teaching and I know what is says.
thank you for your criticism I do appreciate it.
God bless
 
Cohabitation itself is not a sin that is like saying to boys living together could make them homosexual - what my h2b and i did was wrong I have been to confession I have been forgiven!!!

This post was not about whether what my partner and I did was wrong I acknoledged that at the beggining it was about the repercussions of my actions.

I do not agree with your belief that should I choose to live with my brother it could cause scandal and it certainly would not in the UK nor would me choosing to live in a shared house with both men and women or all men or all women!!!

Men and Women are able to live together asexually it is not always cause for sin nor does it always imply sin I fear that some posters are far to worried about what others think in relation to their actions - mine were wrong and I have admitted such but if I wanted to live with my brother and others wanted to say it was wrong I would tell them to stick their sordid opinions.
 
co·hab·it http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngcache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif /koʊˈhæbhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciationkoh-hab-it] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation *–verb (used without object) *1.to live together as husband and wife, usually without legal or religious sanction. 2.to live together in an intimate relationship. 3.to dwell with another or share the same place, as different species of animals.
[Origin: 1520–30; < LL *cohabitāre, equiv. to co- co- + habitāre to have possession, abide (freq. of habére to have, own)http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png]

—Related forms **co·hab·it·ant, co·hab·it·er, ***noun *
**co·hab·i·ta·tion, ***noun *

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Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source co·hab·it http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (kō-hāb’ĭt) Pronunciation Key
intr.v. co·hab·it·ed, co·hab·it·ing, co·hab·its

  1. *]To live together in a sexual relationship, especially when not legally married.
    *]To coexist, as animals of different species.

    [Late Latin cohabitāre : Latin co-, *co- + Latin habitāre, to dwell; see inhabit.]

    co·hab’i·tant, co·hab’it·er* n., co·hab’i·ta’tion n., co·hab’i·ta’tion·al adj.*
    (Download Now* or Buy the Book)* The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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    Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.WordNet - Cite This Source cohabitation
    nounthe act of living together and having a sexual relationship (especially without being married)
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My, my!

We all need a little “Webster injection” every now and then.
The issue is not living arrangements…the issue is cohabitation…as it is explained in the dictionary…not as we misunderstand it…
 
truelove_88 said:
I am not quoting a biblical passage nor am I speaking of a situation where it involved more than two siblings living together in a day and age where that was normal and scandal would not have been caused. I am speaking of this day and age where scandal can be caused very easily and it is best to avoid such situations whenever possible. I am saying that temptation can happen to any one whether or not they are family, and I am saying that the Church does say that Co-habitation is immoral and evil.
I do talk to good solid priests all the time, and I have talked to apologists and theologians, I have also read Church teaching and I know what is says.
thank you for your criticism I do appreciate it.
God bless
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I speak to theologians every day too, and both have said that its okay for a brother and sister to live together. So let me get this straight if you have a brother in your family and you’d lived with him y’all would be tempted to commit a sin? Because thats the degree of what you’re saying.

I know what Church teachings say too, and again NO WHERE does it say you cannot live with family members of the opposite sex.
 
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