I'm pretty sure this is wrong, but would like confirmation

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At the church we are now going to (until I can find one that is more traditional) the priest has all of the EMEs come up on the altar, then they are each given an unconsecrated host; they stand there holding them while the priest completes the consecration…to me, this just seems wrong – also, would their hosts be consecrated if they were not “beneath” the priests hands? Am I being too scrupulous here? I guess I just miss my old parishes that were very traditional…:confused:
 
You are correct, this is not the appropriate way for the priest to consecrate the hosts, as though the EMHC’s were “concelebrating” with him. Only the priest(s) should be holding a host at the time of consecration and he should not have laity at the altar with him at this time.

How sad!😦

CARose
 
Thankyou CaRose! I was starting to think I might just be “out there” on this one. So where can one go to find a more traditional mass? I’ve been searching for a parish with a latin mass, but so far am having no luck – if anyone wants to PM me with info on Albuquerque, I’d be much obliged (I dont’ think we’re allowed to get specific about parishes on here, right?)
 
Clearly it is wrong, a liturgical abuse.

But the hosts would be consecrated, it is based on the determination of the celebrant, rather than a requirement that the hosts be below his hands.

In large Papal masses I have read about a similar things being done, although it is not a liturgical abuse. There are more hosts required than can reasonably fit on the altar, so the approach is for priests to hold ciboriums with the hosts to be consecrated in the Mass.
 
John_Lilburne said:
In large Papal masses I have read about a similar things being done, although it is not a liturgical abuse. There are more hosts required than can reasonably fit on the altar, so the approach is for priests to hold ciboriums with the hosts to be consecrated in the Mass.
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Um, no – this is DEFINTELY not one of those sort of things…:rolleyes:
There are about 8 or 9 EMEs, a priest, and a deacon for…maybe 100 people? I’m having a hard time here…:gopray2:
 
Why in the world would you have 8 or 9 EMHC for only 100 people in the first place. The official title is Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion because their use is to be restricted to extraordinary circumstances (which may in fact be frequent) where there are enough people receiving communion that the priest needs help to prevent an undue delay in the Mass. Are you receiving in both species? If so, that would explain perhaps 2 EMHC, each of which could hold a chalice, off to the side of the Priest and Deacon. But 8-9 for 100 at the Mass, Paleeese!
 
leaner, are you quite sure the priest gives the hosts to the EMHCs before the consecration? Before he says, “This is my Body” and “This is the cup of my Blood?” Before the Our Father and the sign of peace? Or is it right before he says “This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world; happy are those who are called to His supper?” This is not the consecration. The hosts are already consecrated at this point.

Both ways are wrong, but the first way is much more serious than the second. Please be sure of what you are reporting about your parish.

Betsy
 
where do you begin?

Is it any wonder Catholics welcomed *Summorum Pontificum? *These types of abuses will keep up the false impression that the NOM is inherently banal. Too bad.
 
Please contact your Bishop. This sort of abuse must not be allowed to continue. :mad:

~Liza
 
John_Lilburne said:
In large Papal masses I have read about a similar things being done, although it is not a liturgical abuse. There are more hosts required than can reasonably fit on the altar, so the approach is for priests to hold ciboriums with the hosts to be consecrated in the Mass.
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The difference being that at large papal masses, there may be dozens of concelebrating priests. With or without the pope present, they could consecrate the Eucharist anyways.

In the OP’s problem, these are lay people holding the ciborium. If nothing else, it gives the wrong impression, and some people will be further confused about the Extraordinary Ministers’ role, the real efficacy of the words of consecration, the Real Presence, etc.
 
Gardening_Mommy said:
The difference being that at large papal masses, there may be dozens of concelebrating priests. With or without the pope present, they could consecrate the Eucharist anyways.

In the OP’s problem, these are lay people holding the ciborium. If nothing else, it gives the wrong impression, and some people will be further confused about the Extraordinary Ministers’ role, the real efficacy of the words of consecration, the Real Presence, etc.
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And people wonder at why the number of believes in the Real Presence is dwindling. It’s things like this, couple with horrific catechism. :banghead:
 
baltobetsy said:
leaner, are you quite sure the priest gives the hosts to the EMHCs before the consecration? Before he says, “This is my Body” and “This is the cup of my Blood?” Before the Our Father and the sign of peace? Or is it right before he says “This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world; happy are those who are called to His supper?” This is not the consecration. The hosts are already consecrated at this point.

Both ways are wrong, but the first way is much more serious than the second. Please be sure of what you are reporting about your parish.
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Before we all get our shorts in a wad, let’s make sure of exactly what’s happening. Please, OP, will you answer this question?

Betsy
 
baltobetsy said:
Before we all get our shorts in a wad, let’s make sure of exactly what’s happening. Please, OP, will you answer this question?

Betsy
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Ok, I will have to pay closer attention; it’s after the Our Father, when all the EMEs come up onto the altar; they are given the host to hold while Father continues on…I will have to watch closer; I only realized it this past week b/c normally I have my head down, listening and imagining the last supper. I don’t know if I am wrong to do that, but I enjoy imagining the actual first time; what it must have been like to have been there etc. This Sunday I don’t know if we’re going there (DH doesn’t like it much there either, and we are going to try an earlier mass to see if it’s a little more what we were looking for) but if we do I will take note; apologize I can’t be clearer. I’m amazed that no PMs have shown up with NE Heights Albuquerque…guess we’ll just have to keep testing the waters, so to speak…?🤷
 
If it’s after the Our Father, the consecration has already taken place. What is wrong with doing this is that it places the EMHCs on a par with the priest concerning receiving Holy Communion, but it is far less serious than letting them hold unconsecrated hosts prior to the consecration. This error is addressed in Redemptionis Sacramentum. Prior to the issuance of this instruction, it was very common in parishes to do things this way, and it was not prohibited specifically. Now it is.

Betsy
 
CARose said:
Why in the world would you have 8 or 9 EMHC for only 100 people in the first place. The official title is Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion …
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Actually, there is no title for these people. They are simply lay people. The name of their function is extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, but they are merely lay people serving as emHC.
 
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