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[minkymurph]

Children should be taught that if they are selfish and live just for themselves they will become isolated from others and finish up by being lonely and miserable - which amounts to a hell on earth. In other words they should do their best to love others as they love themselves. They will indeed be tormented as the result of their own pride, vanity, greed, arrogance, impatience, cynicism, scepticism and lust for power.

I’m on that page.

I’m also on the ‘we shouldn’t do something or not do something simply to avoid punishment now or in the after life’ page. We should embrace principles not simply keep rules.

 

[Ion]

I would suggest that it is not permissable to teach children that which is likely to harm them directly or would harm their relationship with others.

So we shouldn’t allow them to be taught that women are second class citizens, that killng homosexuals is acceptable, that God hates fags and aliens are amongst us. Or that they may be eternally tormented if they sin.

I’m sorry to tell you but your affirmations are false and misleading people who do not know the Catholic teachings. Typical atheistic.

 

[tonyrey]

Children should be taught that if they are selfish and live just for themselves they will become isolated from others and finish up by being lonely and miserable - which amounts to a hell on earth. In other words they should do their best to love others as they love themselves. They will indeed be tormented as the result of their own pride, vanity, greed, arrogance, impatience, cynicism, scepticism and lust for power.

Indeed. The beauty of Christ’s teaching is that it strikes a balance between self-interest and altruism. On the one hand He tells us that we should love our neighbour as ourselves (i.e. neither more nor less) and on the other that there is no greater love than to give our life for our friends. The apparent conflict is resolved by the fact that the norm is transcended by self-sacrifice in this life - which is where the Beatitudes are relevant. Divine justice ensures that ultimately we all obtain precisely what we deserve but divine love gives us far more than that: life in heaven if our love is greater than simply fulfilling our obligations. Jesus died for everyone, not only Christians but all those who respond to His love regardless of what they claim to believe or disbelieve:

And for these sheep I am laying down my life. I have other sheep too, which do not belong to this fold ; I must bring them in too ; they will listen to my voice ; so there will be one fold, and one shepherd."

John x. 11-16

 

[tonyrey]

In the name of equality Christians in the UK are being compelled to tolerate unChristian practices in their workplace - like abortion - and even in their own house - sexual promiscuity…

You are right, Ed. We shouldn’t expect everyone to accept Christian principles if they have never been presented with all the reasons for doing so. Even highly educated individuals can be intolerant in the name of equality!

 

[inocente]

Bradski;14525482:

I would suggest that it is not permissable to teach children that which is likely to harm them directly or would harm their relationship with others.

So we shouldn’t allow them to be taught that women are second class citizens, that killng homosexuals is acceptable, that God hates fags and aliens are amongst us. Or that they may be eternally tormented if they sin.

I’m sorry to tell you but your affirmations are false and misleading people who do not know the Catholic teachings. Typical atheistic.

You’ve confused me. On first reading I thought you were saying Catholics should teach kids those things. I’m still not sure, as the other poster never mentioned anything about Catholic teachings, he just listed some things he thinks no one should ever teach kids.

 

[Ion]

You’ve confused me. On first reading I thought you were saying Catholics should teach kids those things. I’m still not sure, as the other poster never mentioned anything about Catholic teachings, he just listed some things he thinks no one should ever teach kids.

The point is Catholics do not teach what he said and the suggestion is of contrary. (about religious teachings he does not want to see in school).
Maybe he considers all religions equal and made a general statement to include all of them?
Doesn’t look likely.
Probably he doesn’t know the Catholic teachings in details and made an approximation of what he thinks he knows…

 

[inocente]

The point is Catholics do not teach what he said and the suggestion is of contrary. (about religious teachings he does not want to see in school).
Maybe he considers all religions equal and made a general statement to include all of them?
Doesn’t look likely.
Probably he doesn’t know the Catholic teachings in details and made an approximation of what he thinks he knows…

You’re making a lot of assumptions. I’ll leave you with this .

*CCC 2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty:

• of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;

2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way*

 

[Ion]

You’re making a lot of assumptions. I’ll leave you with this .

*CCC 2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty:

• of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;

2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way*

???

 

[Bradski]

I’m sorry to tell you but your affirmations are false and misleading people who do not know the Catholic teachings. Typical atheistic.

You need to read what I wrote in the light of what Inocente was saying. We shouldn’t teach children whatbthe Taliban teaches. That women are second class citizens. Or what Isis believes - that gays should be killed. Or what Westboro claims - that God hates fags. Or that aliens are amongst us. Which is what Heavens Gate would have us believe.

And then there was one specifically for you: tellng children that they are at the risk of eternal damnation is wrong.

 

[Ion]

You need to read what I wrote in the light of what Inocente was saying. We shouldn’t teach children whatbthe Taliban teaches. That women are second class citizens. Or what Isis believes - that gays should be killed. Or what Westboro claims - that God hates fags. Or that aliens are amongst us. Which is what Heavens Gate would have us believe.

And then there was one specifically for you: tellng children that they are at the risk of eternal damnation is wrong.

Sory As a matter of fact I was wondering…

 

[steve_b]

There is no new atheism only old foolishness.

Psalm 111:10 , Proverbs 1:7

 

[steve_b]

I’m on that page.

I’m also on the ‘we shouldn’t do something or not do something ***simply to avoid punishment ***now or in the after life’ page. We should embrace principles not simply keep rules.

Putting this in a few thoughts

1. 
   *]We don’t live in a consequence free existence…thank God
   *]Since there are good and bad consequences to what we do both good and bad, there is nothing wrong with one avoiding punishment, for doing bad. It in effect is a motivator for doing good and avoiding bad. If there was no punishment for doing anything wrong, (natural; consequences or other wise) I would suggest there would be wholesale chaos and disaster as a result. This life would be unlivable.
   *]The very first command given to humans, had with it a consequence attached to it if the command wasn’t followed. Genesis 2:17
   *]disobedience to the command happened, and so did the consequence.
   
   If doing good on its own merit doesn’t work with a person, the negative consequences for NOT doing good if consequences are bad enough, is a great teaching tool and motivator for all peoples to do good and avoid evil.